Septimania would be another possible splitting point. I understand it was some kind of viceroyalty same as Galaecia.
How likely would the Franks intervene?
Septimania would be another possible splitting point. I understand it was some kind of viceroyalty same as Galaecia.
How likely would the Franks intervene?
Not really.. Most of the later pronunciation differences are from Arabic, and there was noticeable phonetic changes due to from Moz-Arabic. Phonetically and Vocabulary-Wise, Arabic was the #1 influence (besides Latin.)
Yes, but the next sub-family up is Gallo-Iberian, showing how they're all pretty close... While the Iberian languages are all fairly similiar, there are always an outlying languages, with Portuguese being such in this situation. No Arabs means Portuguese would be closer to Catalan, and Spanish would sound closer to Portuguese. Therefore Spanish would end up sounding moreso like OTL Catalan.
Could you elaborate a bit on this? Was there much evidence, Post-3rd Council of Toledo (a convenient point of departure from the first stage of the Visigothic state) that the Visigoths were gravitating towards a more feudal, serf-lord estate economy?
Fascinating. I merely brought the Franks up less as a possibility but more because their influence was always fairly prevalent along the edges and they must have had some sort of contacts with the Visigoths besides Vouille. Was the Visigothic state really that unstable? And if it fell apart, would there be a sort of succession of smaller Visigothic and native Romance states or what?
A Visigothic Spain without Arab Conquests will mostly play out as in OTL until the Civil war between Roderic and Achilla. Without Arab support it's possible Roderic might win becoming the King of the Visigoths. However I see some possibility from fragmentation. The Galicians which are some descedent of the Suevii will sooner or later leave the Kingdom. We could see a Iberia divided into a Kingdom of Galicia , a Visigothic Kingdom and a Basque Kingdom most likely. Not sure if the Visigoths themselves would crash. No Arab conquest will mean no Portugal, Castille and Aragon developing although the royal house of Pelayo could probably still come to power somehow.
I'd say the chance is low. Franks had wanted to intervene against the Goths while the Goths were still Arianist, during the reign of Liuvigild... and that was when they had, as allies, the suebic kingdom, Byzantium (which still had a presence in the peninsule at that time), and an inner revolt led by the catholic son of Liuvigild, Hermenegild.
I think i remember at that time the Byzantines had to withdraw because of the death of their emperor, and that shied the Franks away from intervention.
So, unless that a hypothetical king of the Septimania became a vassal of the Frankish king, I think it's very uncertain the Franks would intervene against the Goths. Now... if Charles Martel isn't butterflied away, that will be a different matter
The influence of Basque in Castilian phonetics is a big one. There is the 5 vowels and the aspired initial f just to name two. In comparison, Arabic influence is limited to loan words - over 4000, so it is a big influence, but still no grammar or phonetics that I can think of now.
Grammar I think very little, but regarding phonetics I tend to think that the Spanish jota might connected with Arab influence. I know it was a palatal sound (two actually) still in 1492, but otoh, it's quite an uncommon sound in Romance languages (though a similar one exists in Romanian, arguably a Slavic influence but I really don't know) while quite widespread in Arabic.
I won't put my money on that however.
Not much is really known about Visigothic Spain, or rather, I don't know very much. While I know that they converted to Catholicism at the Third Council of Toledo and ran a healthy slaving economy
You'll need a era of peace for having the kingdom having infrastructures repaired and re-used.Therefore, without the Arab conquests, how would the kingdom develop?
At first, the Franks would be likely more interested on Frisians and Saxons. After all the new trade ways pass trough there, and more easily capturable and holdable than mediterranean way : furthermore they wouldn't have to share these with Visigoths, Arabs or Byzantines. (See Dark Ages Economics, of Richard Hodges).Would it eventually get challenged by the Franks or would it collapse in on itself?
Grammar I think very little, but regarding phonetics I tend to think that the Spanish jota might connected with Arab influence. I know it was a palatal sound (two actually) still in 1492, but otoh, it's quite an uncommon sound in Romance languages (though a similar one exists in Romanian, arguably a Slavic influence but I really don't know) while quite widespread in Arabic.
I won't put my money on that however.
MOST interesting would be that the Visigothic Monarchs were not chosen by the nobility, but by Bishop councils of the Church. This could have a interesting backlash down the line when a ruler wants to subvert the Church's rule by possibly going full Schismatic.
The doesn't make a great deal of sense for the late era. in 710, Gothic meant upper classes, just like Franks or Lombards did for their respective states.Indeed, the Visigoths were concentrated here and there
Wait. 10 Millions in Spain in 710? As all (not almost all, but all) the sources I could find seems to indicate they should be lucky if they had 3.5 Millions at this era, could I ask where this quote is taken off?SNIP
No more than others.As for political stability I am not sure of that. They were prone to civil wars and revolts.
I personally doubt Pelayo/Pelagius would ammount to mean something. His figure is as nebulous as it can be and many of the "facts" we know about him are probable later additions in order to make him a link between the Gothic kings and the Medieval kings of Asturias - and thus portray Asturias as the successor of the Visigothic kingdom, if not the Visigothic kingdom restored itself.