TL-191: Second Yankee Kaiser

The Confederacy always talked about Theodore Roosevelt as being a "Yankee Kaiser" and whenever they mentioned Franklin Roosevelt, they often made the suggestion that if he weren't crippled then he might've been elected president. Given that FDR was a Socialist in the books, I've often found myself wondering what an FDR Administration would look like in TL-191.

For the purpose of the thread, let's set up two points of divergence:

1) FDR does not contract polio (or Guillain-Barre Syndrome if speculation holds true)

2) Upton Sinclair makes a push for a third term in 1928 and is defeated by Calvin Coolidge.

What happens if FDR comes out as the Socialist nominee in 1932 during the Great Depression's onset? How does he handle the Confederate States of America, and more importantly how does Jake Featherston handle the Second Yankee Kaiser?
 

bguy

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The Confederacy always talked about Theodore Roosevelt as being a "Yankee Kaiser" and whenever they mentioned Franklin Roosevelt, they often made the suggestion that if he weren't crippled then he might've been elected president. Given that FDR was a Socialist in the books, I've often found myself wondering what an FDR Administration would look like in TL-191.

For the purpose of the thread, let's set up two points of divergence:

1) FDR does not contract polio (or Guillain-Barre Syndrome if speculation holds true)

2) Upton Sinclair makes a push for a third term in 1928 and is defeated by Calvin Coolidge.

What happens if FDR comes out as the Socialist nominee in 1932 during the Great Depression's onset? How does he handle the Confederate States of America, and more importantly how does Jake Featherston handle the Second Yankee Kaiser?

Assuming the Pacific War still happens (and I think it probably will The TL-191 Democrats seem to consist of a business faction and a militarist faction, and Coolidge is very much of the business faction, so I doubt he would have built up the U.S. military so much during his Presidency as to deter Japan) then I imagine FDR will be much more vigorous in prosecuting the war than Hoover was (i.e. FDR will actually try to win the war and not just fight for a status quo peace like Hoover did.) And given greater U.S. productive capability, I imagine that by 1934 the U.S. will have sufficiently outproduced the Japanese to have naval superiority in the Pacific and to seize the Marshall and Caroline Islands, by 1935 the U.S. probably takes the Marianas Islands and the Philippines, and by 1936 the U.S. has probably driven the Japanese out of the East Indies, Indochina, and Formosa. Japan probably throws in the towel after Formosa falls and asks for terms, accepting limitations on its military power and the loss of the territories the U.S. has already overrun in exchange for Japan getting to keep Manchuria and Korea and avoiding U.S. occupation of the Home Islands.

As a successful war president FDR should easily win reelection in 1936. (The U.S. economy will also be doing much better because of all the defense spending.)

As for FDR and the CSA, I think FDR will respond to Featherston trying to stir up rebellion in U.S. occupied Kentucky, Sequoyah, and Houston, by having the U.S. ship arms to the African-Confederate population (possibly setting off a full fledged Second Red Rebellion.) That will weaken the CSA and force Featherston to dedicate his army to counter-insurgency rather than conventional war, so it won't be ready for war with the U.S. by 1941. (With the CSA weaker, Featherston won't be able to devote as much resources to helping the secessionist rebels in Kentucky, Sequoyah, and Houston either, so the U.S. position in those states is probably stronger, and the U.S. will not be willing to seriously consider allowing a plebiscite in those territories.)

I don't know if FDR would run for a third term or not. Two popular, successful presidents have already tried and failed to achieve it, so FDR might take from that that the American people simply won't stand for a president seeking a third term. OTOH, the possibility of being the first president to win a third term (and thus achieving something that even his famous cousin couldn't do), would be very tempting to FDR, and the world situation in 1940 probably still looks pretty dicey with Britain and France snarling at Germany, and with their being ongoing nasty insurgencies in both U.S. and CSA territory, so FDR will have plausible reason for why he needs to seek another term.
 

bguy

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What would Roosevelt's New Deal look like though since he doesn't have to cater to the South in this scenario?

Assuming the Socialists do well enough in the 1930 and 1932 senate elections that they can overcome a Democrat fillibuster then at a minimum I would expect FDR to pass old age pensions, unemployment insurance, banking regulation and securities regulation. Farm price supports and a rural electrification program are also likely if they weren't already passed in the Sinclair Administration. (The novels are a little sketchy on the accomplishments of the Sinclair Administration.) There will probably be a hefty tax hike on high earners and corporations to help fund the Pacific War, and I would also expect FDR to use the Pacific War to justify extensive government control over the civilian economy. (Including wage and price controls, rent controls, government rationing of key resources, and maybe even a super-War Industries Board type agency directly managing all war production.) And of course a massive defense build-up (akin to OTL's Two Ocean Navy Act) to help defeat Japan (though it will probably emphasize building battleships over aircraft carriers.) Nationalization of some industries is possible I suppose, though I think its more likely FDR keeps that particular gun in his holster, and just uses the threat of it to make the Democrats agree to his War Industries Board.

A Wagner Act equivalent seems to have already been passed during the Sinclair Administration, so unless the Coolidge Administration was able to repeal or heavily modify it, there won't need to be additional labor legislation. A civil public works program also won't be necessary (or affordable) since there will already be massive government spending for the military build-up for the Pacific War. I also doubt FDR pushes much for major housing, education, or health care legislation while the Pacific War is raging since the country can't really afford to both defeat Japan and establish a full blown welfare state. Those items are more likely his second term goals after Japan has been defeated. (Though the Democrats will likely gain enough senate seats in the 1934 and 1936 senate elections to be able to resume fillibustering the Socialist domestic program in FDR's second term.)
 
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