TL-191: Navy Blue and Gray - Naval Forces of the USA and CSA

Virginia Liberal

Virginia Liberal

Something fun This is all the Battleships built by the USN in my Path's not taken TL. The Pre dreadnoughts were renamed to free up states name for new dreadnought, super dreadnoughts, and Standard Battleships .
total capital ships built
pre dreadnoughtsdreadnoughtssuper dreadnoughtsstandard BattleshipsBattlecruisersConverted CarriersKeel up carriers
USS John Paul JonesBB-01USS MichiganBB-18USS New YorkBB-30USS ColoradoBB-45USS LibertyCC-01USS RemembranceCV-01USS Saratoga
USS FreedomBB-02USS MissouriBB-19USS New JerseyBB-31USS MarylandBB-46USS FreedomCC-02USS LexingtonCV-04USS Sandwich Islands
USS LibertyBB-03USS DakotaBB-20USS MaineBB-32USS WashingtonBB-47USS IndependenceCC-03USS RangerCV-05
USS Benjamin FranklinBB-04USS PennsylvaniaBB-21USS VermontBB-33USS West VirginiaBB-48USS CongressCV-06
USS Alexander HamiltonBB-05USS WyomingBB-23USS OhioBB-34USS MontanaBB-49
USS James K. PolkBB-06USS KansasBB-24USS IndianaBB-35USS IndianaBB-50
USS Franklin PierceBB-07USS DelawareBB-25USS WisconsinBB-36USS WisconsonBB-51
USS IndependenceBB-08USS New MexicoBB-26USS MinnesotaBB-37USS IowaBB-52
USS SaratogaBB-09USS New HampshireBB-27USS IowaBB-38USS MassachusettsBB-53
USS CongressBB-10USS KersargeBB-28USS IllinoisBB-40USS ConnecticutBB-54
USS PresidentBB-11USS OregonBB-29USS VermontBB-41USS CaliforniaBB-55
USS John AdamsBB-12USS ConnecticutBB-42USS MaineBB-56
USS John Quincy AdamsBB-13USS IdahoBB-43USS Rhode IslandBB-57
USS Andrew JacksonBB-14USS NevadaBB-44USS IdahoBB-58
USS Horatio SeymourBB-15
USS Winfield S.HancockBB-16
USS Thomas ReedBB-17


Following the Geneva Armament Reduction Accords of 1924
USN as of the start of 1933
first Rate capital shipsSecond Rate capital shipsConverted CarriersKeel up carriers
USS ColoradoBB-45USS MichiganBB-18USS RemembranceCV-01USS Saratoga
USS MarylandBB-46USS MissouriBB-19USS LexingtonCV-04USS Sandwich Islands
USS WashingtonBB-47USS DakotaBB-20USS RangerCV-05
USS West VirginiaBB-48USS PennsylvaniaBB-21USS CongressCV-06
USS MontanaBB-49USS WyomingBB-23
USS IndianaBB-50USS KansasBB-24
USS WisconsonBB-51USS DelawareBB-25
USS IowaBB-52USS New MexicoBB-26
USS MassachusettsBB-53USS New HampshireBB-27
USS ConnecticutBB-54USS KersargeBB-28
USS CaliforniaBB-55USS OregonBB-29
USS MaineBB-56
USS Rhode IslandBB-57
USS IdahoBB-58
USS LibertyCC-01
USS FreedomCC-02
USS IndependenceCC-03
 
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Virginia Liberal

Virginia Liberal

Follow up USN as of the start of the Great War
statuspre dreadnoughtsstatusdreadnoughtsstatussuper dreadnoughtsstatusStandard Battleships
Chessapeak Bay FlotillaUSS John Paul JonesBB-01Atlantic FleetUSS MichiganBB-18Atlantic FleetUSS New YorkBB-30Comissioned 09/1917 Atlantic FleetUSS ColoradoBB-45
Chessapeak Bay FlotillaUSS FreedomBB-02Atlantic FleetUSS MissouriBB-19Atlantic FleetUSS New JerseyBB-31Comissioned 11/1917 Atlantic FleetUSS MarylandBB-46
Chessapeak Bay FlotillaUSS LibertyBB-03Pacific FleetUSS DakotaBB-20Atlantic FleetUSS MaineBB-32
New England Defesne FlotillaUSS Benjamin FranklinBB-04Pacific FleetUSS PennsylvaniaBB-21Pacific FleetUSS VermontBB-33
New England Defesne FlotillaUSS Alexander HamiltonBB-05Pacific FleetUSS WyomingBB-23Pacific FleetUSS OhioBB-34
Atlantic FleetUSS James K. PolkBB-06Pacific FleetUSS KansasBB-24Pacific FleetUSS IndianaBB-35
Atlantic FleetUSS Franklin PierceBB-07Atlantic FleetUSS DelawareBB-25Atlantic FleetUSS WisconsinBB-36
Atlantic FleetUSS IndependenceBB-08Atlantic FleetUSS New MexicoBB-26Atlantic FleetUSS MinnesotaBB-37
Atlantic FleetUSS SaratogaBB-09Atlantic FleetUSS New HampshireBB-27Atlantic FleetUSS IowaBB-38
Pacific FleetUSS MaineBB-10Atlantic FleetUSS KersargeBB-28Comissioned 6/1915 Atlantic FleetUSS IllinoisBB-40
Pacific FleetUSS Rhode IslandBB-11Atlantic FleetUSS OregonBB-29Comissioned 8/1915 Atlantic FleetUSS VermontBB-41
Pacific FleetUSS IdahoBB-12Comissioned 10/1915USS ConnecticutBB-42
Pacific FleetUSS CaliforniaBB-13Comissioned 9/1915 Pacific FleetUSS IdahoBB-43
Pacific FleetUSS ConnecticutBB-14Comissioned 6/1916 Pacific FleetUSS NevadaBB-44
Pacific FleetUSS MassachusettsBB-15
Atlantic FleetUSS IowaBB-16
Atlantic FleetUSS WisconsonBB-17
 
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Virginia Liberal

Virginia Liberal

US dreadnought Class reconization chart at the end of the great war Paths TL cannon
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Michigan class 12"/45 guns in four twin turrets; speed 21 knots
Dakota Class 12"/45 guns in two triple turrets and two twin super firing turrets; speed 21 knots
Delaware Class 12"/50 in four triple turrets; speed 21 knots

New York Class 14"/45 guns in two triple turrets and two twin super firing turrets; speed 21 knots
Wisconsin Class 14"/45 guns in four triple turrets; speed 21 knots
Vermont Class 14"/50 guns in four triple turrets; speed 21 knots

Colorado Class 16"/45 guns in four twin turrets; speed 23 knots
 
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Virginia Liberal

Virginia Liberal

Virginia Liberal said:
Dakota Class 12"/45 guns in two triple turrets and two twin super firing turrets; speed 21 knots
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some may have noticed that this is a departure from OTL US early battleship design. This comes from a Sam Carson mention that the USS Dakota carried its ten twelve inch guns in four turrets I can't remember it it was during the attack on the Sandwich Islands, the battle of the Three Navies. or one of the various Carson PoV's. that quote means that the 191 Dakota has a set up like the OTL USS Nevada. leading to the rest of the changes.
 
Virginia Liberal

Virginia Liberal

rob2001 said:
Any idea how many ships were in each class?
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classdreadnoughts
Michigan USS Michigan BB-18
MuchiganUSS Missouri BB-19
DakotaUSS DakotaBB-20
DakotaUSS Pennsylvania BB-21
DakotaUSS Wyoming BB-23
DakotaUSS KansasBB-24
Delaware USS Delaware BB-25
Delaware USS New Mexico BB-26
Delaware USS New Hampshire BB-27
Delaware USS KersargeBB-28
Delaware USS Oregon BB-29
New York USS New York BB-30
New York New York BB-31
New York New York BB-32
New York New York BB-33
New York New York BB-34
New York New York BB-35
Wisconsin USS Wisconsin BB-36
Wisconsin USS Minnesota BB-37
Wisconsin USS IowaBB-38
Wisconsin USS Illinois BB-40
Vermont USS Vermont BB-41
Vermont USS Connecticut BB-42
Vermont USS Idaho BB-43
Vermont USS NevadaBB-44
Colorado USS Colorado BB-45
Colorado USS Maryland BB-46
Colorado USS Washington BB-47
Colorado USS West Virginia BB-48
 
S. Marlowski

S. Marlowski

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Just made a new version of the Seydlitz class of Battlecruiser

Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 38,470 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 12 Wagner boilers
Range: 7,100 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 4 Arado Ar-196 Floatplanes, 2 catapults
Sensors: FuMO 22 Search Y-Dar
Armor:
  • Belt: 350mm
  • Conning Tower: 350mm
  • Main Turrets: 360mm
  • Secondary Turrets 140mm
  • Main Deck: 95mm
  • Upper Deck 80mm
  • Slopes 105mm
  • Torpedo Bulkhead: 45mm
Armament:
  • 8 x 15-in/46-caliber SK C/28 main guns (4x2)
  • 12 x 5.9-in/53-caliber SK C/28 secondary guns (4x2) and (4x1)
  • 12 x 105mm/60-caliber SK C/32 DP guns (6x2)
  • 16 x 37mm SK C/30 AA guns (8x2)
  • 12 x 20mm C/30 AA guns
 

Matt Wiser

Nicely done. I take it the target atoll is still Bikini, and the drop aircraft is a B-29. So is Houston or Georgia the one that's upside down at Kawajalein?

Ranger is similar to OTL's Lexington and Saratoga: any other members of the class?
 
S. Marlowski

S. Marlowski

Matt Wiser said:
Nicely done. I take it the target atoll is still Bikini, and the drop aircraft is a B-29. So is Houston or Georgia the one that's upside down at Kawajalein?

Ranger is similar to OTL's Lexington and Saratoga: any other members of the class?
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I was chatting with some people on Discord, and they suggested somewhere in the Caribbean, and determined that the island of St. Barts would be the best fit.

ex-CSS Houston would be the one sharing the fate of Prinz Eugen for this timeline.

And Ranger is more or less a one off vessel, but based off of USS Remembrance
 

YusaEmi

Matt Wiser said:
Nicely done. I take it the target atoll is still Bikini, and the drop aircraft is a B-29. So is Houston or Georgia the one that's upside down at Kawajalein?

Ranger is similar to OTL's Lexington and Saratoga: any other members of the class?
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No Bikini Atoll is held by Japan. The only thing the US holds in the Pacific at the end of the second great war is just the Sandwich Islands, Midway and Wake.
 

Matt Wiser

Then I stand corrected. But DBE's writeup of the postwar settlement has this:

• America’s jurisdiction over all French and British Caribbean colonies is recognized. The USA also gains French Polynesia, the Gilbert Islands, the Cook Islands, and New Caledonia.

I'm sure the U.S. could have found a desirable Pacific atoll to have the tests. When thermonuclear weapons are developed, they will need one.
 

RamscoopRaider

Donor
S. Marlowski said:
I was chatting with some people on Discord, and they suggested somewhere in the Caribbean, and determined that the island of St. Barts would be the best fit.
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St. Barts still has a population of over 2000 and is within 30 miles of 4 other islands with populations of over 1000, located such that whichever way the wind blows fallout would land on a populated island

I'd say Johnston Atoll is likely, it's east of Wake and Midway, so would be US in basically any scenario and was used for nuclear testing OTL. There's also French Frigate Shoals between Midway and Hawaii

The US did have pre civil war claims to Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll (also claimed by Hawaii), Baker Island, Jarvis Island and Howland Island, of some might be suitable for testing, mainly the first two, but whose status is uncertain given their location, though all are further east than Wake Island
 
S. Marlowski

S. Marlowski

RamscoopRaider said:
St. Barts still has a population of over 2000 and is within 30 miles of 4 other islands with populations of over 1000, located such that whichever way the wind blows fallout would land on a populated island

I'd say Johnston Atoll is likely, it's east of Wake and Midway, so would be US in basically any scenario and was used for nuclear testing OTL. There's also French Frigate Shoals between Midway and Hawaii

The US did have pre civil war claims to Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll (also claimed by Hawaii), Baker Island, Jarvis Island and Howland Island, of some might be suitable for testing, mainly the first two, but whose status is uncertain given their location, though all are further east than Wake Island
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Ah, good points, and I had earlier thought about Vairaatea Atoll, which was formerly part of the French Empire, as well as Mururoa, which OTL, was used a Nuclear Test Site by France OTL
 

Matt Wiser

All of the UK islands go to the U.S. postwar, so Christmas Island-which was used by both the U.S. and British OTL for nuclear tests up until 1962, is another possibility.
 
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