So, folks, have you read the timeline "Decisive Darkness: What if Britain didn't surrender in 1944" by The Blue, where an attempted coup against the peace faction (I think it was the Buckingham incident) was successful and a fanatical government under General J.F.C Fuller fought on against the Central Powers. It features more nukings against British cities with Liverpool, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Coventry (OOC: analogous to the US nuking of Kyoto in Decisive Darkness), and other British cities going up in nuclear flame and Operation Sea Lion (OOC: I made the unmentionable Sea Mammal TTL's analogue for Operation Downfall), an American invasion of Ireland, and both sides breaking out poison gas. So, what do you think of it?
TL 191 DBWI: Have you read Decisive Darkness?
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Freaky as hell... It made the post-war horrors and the 'Little Civil War' look tame by comparison. To say nothing of the situation in Ireland - it was bad enough here OTL...
Not sure how realistic is is, though. I mean, the toppling of the monarchy and the establishment of the Commonwealth of England and the Republic of Scotland show just how fed up the population were OTL. I think there'd have been uprisings if someone had tried to fight on.
If it had happened, though, you bet your life there wouldn't have been the 'English Economic Miracle'. No English televisions, no Farseer-Games, none of those wonderfully dark and nihilistic Dark Future comics, no Leviathan Rise horror movies...
Nor would you have seen them becoming Socialist and entering America's sphere - the Germans would have seen to that.
Not sure how realistic is is, though. I mean, the toppling of the monarchy and the establishment of the Commonwealth of England and the Republic of Scotland show just how fed up the population were OTL. I think there'd have been uprisings if someone had tried to fight on.
If it had happened, though, you bet your life there wouldn't have been the 'English Economic Miracle'. No English televisions, no Farseer-Games, none of those wonderfully dark and nihilistic Dark Future comics, no Leviathan Rise horror movies...
Nor would you have seen them becoming Socialist and entering America's sphere - the Germans would have seen to that.It is implied in some updates that the British people are virtually coerced to fight with MI5 being given new powers by the junta with MI5 "representatives" in each military unit (OOC: Basically a British version of a Soviet military commisar).
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Frankly I found it to be a bit silly in fact, the Americans would never go to the lengths to defeat the British as we see in Decisive Darkness. For all the professed hate between the 2 great powers, The United States and Great Britain share a special relationship of shared heritage and there was even moves by the post-war British and French government to pivot away from the CSA towards the US for obvious reasons.
If it was just the Germans then it would be a bit more plausible that it would happen.
If it was just the Germans then it would be a bit more plausible that it would happen.
Yes, and it's a fascinating TL, TBH. Hasn't The Blue stated previously that he might publish it under his real name(Bryan Collins), btw?
So, what do you think of the cover that someone made for the E-book which shows Britain being crushed between a German Hammer and an American anvil? And actually, most of the destruction in Britain is carried out by the Germans, not the Americans.
Well, England now...but I'd agree, hence why the US and the Commonwealth of England were such close allies. And why they cooperated in the Nigerian War.
Though England did ride the wave of the 'Post-US World' far better than the other members of the old US sphere. And they even have fairly good relations with the Republic of Canada these days, despite many Canadian independence activists thinking England threw them under the bus. And they mended fences with Germany fairly well...though they're also doing a lot of business with Japan and its allies, too. And they've been just as strident as the rest of the world in criticising the US' border provocations with the Southern Union State.
OOC: If the US=the Soviet Union, like Turtledove seemed to be going for, then...
Is it accurate to say that the Canadian Independence Activists believe England threw them under a bus due to the fact that they allowed the US to spin off the Maritimes as a seperate "Republic of Acadia" as opposed to becoming part of Canada? Also, the Southern Union State and the United States of America have more similiarities than they admit to as President Frank Underwood of the SUS has authoritarian tendencies, especially after a failed coup just this year. Finally, so, what do you think is the most "awesome" part of Decisive Darkness? The depiction of German soldiers storming Dover during the first phase of Operation Sea Lion?
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Another thing I find a bit weird is the whole German response to the coup, the British Empire had effectively been neutered at the end of the war and could only barely meow compared to the world-shaking roar it let out during the First Great War. And the British and German royal families were also closely intertwined in blood so I see a great hesitance by both countries aristocracy's to continue.
Also add the fact that GB often preached about the superiority of the Anglo- SAXON race. So I see most people who bought into it would be against a war with the Germans( Their fellow Saxon brothers) and I see the most plausible outcome being the Junta being desposed or simply ignored as a bunch of loons by the British Elite.
Also add the fact that GB often preached about the superiority of the Anglo- SAXON race. So I see most people who bought into it would be against a war with the Germans( Their fellow Saxon brothers) and I see the most plausible outcome being the Junta being desposed or simply ignored as a bunch of loons by the British Elite.
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