The Triumph and the Sorrow: The 1944 US Presidential Election and Beyond

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  1. The Red A virulent, ignorant bigot

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    Indeed, as Roosevelt mentioned there troops in the South of France by November, but with no Northern invasion the Germans can allocate far more forces to the South, preventing the decisive victory of OTL's Dragoon.
     
  2. Thande Gold! Always believe in your so-oul!

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    Here's an OTL map of the election to give one an idea of which states were closest in OTL.

    Another question is whether the Republicans do better in the House of Representatives. In OTL the Republicans lost a few seats, but this is mainly attributed to the war going well. 1946 shows that they could take it back under the right circumstances. There were lots of very close Senate elections too, but I don't think the Republicans could have won enough to take the Senate even when the situation is like this.

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    Unfortunately this is just a one-off for now mate, but it's got a good response, so after the Soviet Union's smashed global capitalism in Down the Road and the People's Republic of Britain has been established in Bitter I'll get to work on making Sorrow a proper TL. :p
     
  4. Wendell Wendell

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    So, FDR keeps Wallace on the ticket as a butterfly in this timeline, even though the president is likely weaker due to the defeat at Normandy?
     
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    Oh well, never mind then. Could have been fun though. ;)
     
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    Someone needs to do a TL where Dutch Schultz goes ahead and assassinates/murders Thomas Dewey. The butterflies from that could be big.
     
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    MacArthur entering the convention after the failure of D-Day is scarily plausible though...
     
  10. Rich Rostrom Well-Known Member

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    That wasn't the reference, which would have been very wrong.

    "this upstart, inexperienced district attorney"...

    Dewey was District Attorney for New York County (the borough of Manhattan).

    However, in 1942 Dewey was elected Governor of New York, so it's a cheap shot in 1944.
     
  11. Archibald Well-Known Member

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    and the invasion must be a bloodbath. With the Massif Central on the right and the Alps on the left, the narrow Rhone valley is the one and only way to go. Seizing Marseille and Toulon shouldn't be too hard, but then the more you go northward, the easy it is for the germans to go on the defensive. In short, its the italian campaign all over again - defensive lines after defensive lines.
    Same thing if the allies try to break in the direction of Languedoc - they end being trapped on the seuil de Naurouze, a narrow corridor between the massif central (again) and the Pyrénées, somewhere near Montpellier.
    General consensus is that the allies progression should bog down near Lyon, with that city becoming a French Stalingrad... or Monte Cassino.
     
  12. Wendell Wendell

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    It is what I meant nonetheless:eek:
     
  13. Rich Rostrom Well-Known Member

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    I knew that - that cheap shot is alt-FDR's.
     
  14. The Red A virulent, ignorant bigot

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    One of the weaknesses I have as a writer is a tendency to instill a bitterness in many characters. Although I feel that, having lost largely to negative campaigning, the FDR swipe at his successor is somewhat plausible. :eek:
     
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  15. Wendell Wendell

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    That seems realistic, especially in this case:)
     
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    Intresting, the allies will win no doubt but the soviets might get a much better position.