Valdemar II
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What if the Magyars invasion of Hungary failed or they stayed out on the steppes? How would this lack of a the Magyars means for Europe and Hungary (beside not ending up as Hungary)?
Who was in the Pannonian Plain before the Maygars came? Some remnaint sof the Avars, but not much, right?
Who was in the Pannonian Plain before the Maygars came? Some remnaint sof the Avars, but not much, right? So, without the Magyars, could German East Settlement reach the Pannonian Plain from the Carinthian Marches?
- Hungary becomes Slavic and quite likely Orthodox.
Great Moravia might eventually accept German suzerainty like Bohemia (and even Hungary at one point) did in OTL. Expect a great Bulgarian-Moravian rivalry in Pannonia and Croatia.
That is, of course, if anything like OTL's Germany comes into being. The Magyar threat was instrumental to the emergence of imperial power in the 900s.
Just for shits and giggles, a powerful, loosely federated Great Kingdom of Moravia (or Poland, or Bohemia) could end up dominating the weak and disunited German dukedoms.
That is, of course, if anything like OTL's Germany comes into being. The Magyar threat was instrumental to the emergence of imperial power in the 900s.
Just for shits and giggles, a powerful, loosely federated Great Kingdom of Moravia (or Poland, or Bohemia) could end up dominating the weak and disunited German dukedoms.
Great Moravia was never the most stable country, so I don't think they would be up to dominating thousands of hostile Germanic peoples. and East Francia was already there before the Magyars, so the Germans did have a framework for a state already set up. although the Magyars did do a lot to help build Germany, without them it probably still would have formed. (eventually).
Great Moravia was never the most stable country, so I don't think they would be up to dominating thousands of hostile Germanic peoples. and East Francia was already there before the Magyars, so the Germans did have a framework for a state already set up. although the Magyars did do a lot to help build Germany, without them it probably still would have formed. (eventually).