The Iron Eagle II - Days of Strife

[andry2806]

Libya is already majority Italian, the question is what will happen in Tunisia and East Africa, because Libya is already pretty secured from Rome's perspective.

Yeah, but what would happen to the Lybian minority? I forgot Italy conquered Tunisia. What happened of the Italian minority pre-existing in the zone?

Really curious about how AOI turns out. How would the situation in Erithrea turn out? They were the most loyal colony, and a base of recruiting for Ascari. The Erithrean independence movement that fought against Ethiopia was formed by former Ascari, and Erithrea was a base for the underground resistance against the British Empire and Ethiopia led by Amedeo Guillet during WWII. How would Farinacci, someone much more closer to Germania on racial issues than his predecessors, deal with the collaborator peoples in Erithrea and the rest of AOI? Also, I suppose Ethiopians to be the victims of the third African Holocaust, Rodolfo Graziani given leave to commit one, ten, a thousand Amba Aradan.

 

[Kaiser of Brazil]

Rodolfo Graziani

Graziani is a loyal man, but he's in his 80s by now, he would've retired after crushing Umberto's coup.

 

[Deleted member 191087]

Cough low bar Cough.

I'm not sure if that's demographically possible, but there is a current preaching that. I added to the Franco-Belgian chapter an explanation that expands the 3 forces fighting for Africa (Old Colonialism, Neocolonialism and Local Nationalism) and the definitions between them.

Libya is already majority Italian, the question is what will happen in Tunisia and East Africa, because Libya is already pretty secured from Rome's perspective.

Boy won’t the Congo be a hot fucking mess like iotl. Your going to have everything from rebels who just want nothing more than simple independence and freedom from the Belgians, radicals egged on by Mao and maybe possibly even local African fascists, to then just simple greedy power hungry opportunist assholes like Mobutu and then of course the stubborn, shitty neo-colonialist government which will do anything to just keep their precious country sized toy for themselves (Ok I know that for the exiled Belgian government and for many Belgians as well it’s the only place they can feel like having home after it was destroyed by the Germans back in Europe so I’m not trying to demonise all the Belgains living in the Congo themselves, still just pointing its still a deeply unfair government for the locals).

 

[Kaiser of Brazil]

Boy won’t the Congo be a hot fucking mess like iotl. Your going to have everything from rebels who just want nothing more than simple independence and freedom from the Belgians, radicals egged on by Mao and maybe possible even local African fascists, to then just simple greedy power hungry opportunist assholes like Mobutu and the of course the stubborn, shitty neo-colonialist government which will do anything to just keep their precious country sized toy for themselves (Ok I know that for the exiled Belgian government and for many Belgians as well it’s the only place they can feel like having home after it was destroyed by the Germans back in Europe so I’m not trying to demonise all the Belgains living in the Congo themselves, still just pointing its still a pretty unfair government for the locals).

Neocolonialism in this world is something far more extreme than what the Belgian Status Quo is, in this world's definition, it can be something closer to Algeria.

 

[Deleted member 191087]

Neocolonialism in this world is something far more extreme than what the Belgian Status Quo is, in this world's definition, it can be something closer to Algeria.

….fuck.

 

[BurkeanLibCon]

I fully expect the "next generation" of South Africa's leaders to be comprised of people like Albert Hertzog or Andries Treurnicht who IOTL opposed the Apartheid government on grounds it was too moderate in its policies, on that note.

Even more dystopic. No TV and compulsory whey for everyone.

Boy won’t the Congo be a hot fucking mess like iotl. Your going to have everything from rebels who just want nothing more than simple independence and freedom from the Belgians, radicals egged on by Mao and maybe possibly even local African fascists, to then just simple greedy power hungry opportunist assholes like Mobutu and then of course the stubborn, shitty neo-colonialist government which will do anything to just keep their precious country sized toy for themselves (Ok I know that for the exiled Belgian government and for many Belgians as well it’s the only place they can feel like having home after it was destroyed by the Germans back in Europe so I’m not trying to demonise all the Belgains living in the Congo themselves, still just pointing its still a deeply unfair government for the locals).

To be honest, I don’t know how Belgium-in-exile can keep up a war effort in the Congo. With Belgium part of the Reich, they won’t have much of a military presence given the lack of manpower. Maybe the British supply the Belgian forces there with ex-conscript mercenaries to keep things tiding over?

It will be a hot mess, maybe Katanga stays independent given there’s no UN to force it back into the fold.

Yeah, but what would happen to the Lybian minority? I forgot Italy conquered Tunisia. What happened of the Italian minority pre-existing in the zone?

Really curious about how AOI turns out. How would the situation in Erithrea turn out? They were the most loyal colony, and a base of recruiting for Ascari. The Erithrean independence movement that fought against Ethiopia was formed by former Ascari, and Erithrea was a base for the underground resistance against the British Empire and Ethiopia led by Amedeo Guillet during WWII. How would Farinacci, someone much more closer to Germania on racial issues than his predecessors, deal with the collaborator peoples in Erithrea and the rest of AOI? Also, I suppose Ethiopians to be the victims of the third African Holocaust, Rodolfo Graziani given leave to commit one, ten, a thousand Amba Aradan.

I don’t know if the Ethiopians planned to settle Ethiopia like they did Eritrea. My personal suspicion is that they wished to keep it like Britain did India and exploit it for resources and pride but I don’t know much about the region so please don’t quote me on it.

 

[Frame]

Jordan’s in a really weird situation having one tiny port that can easily be cut off by Israel means it’s gonna be pretty hard for Egypt to keep its control but at the same time the residents are probably too afraid of having to face Syria or Israel alone that they won’t try anything soon. Although they may find it better to jump ship for the Saudis soon if they get sick of Arab nationalism.

 

[Frame]

I wonder if a separatist client state in southern Lebanon will be created by Israel like otl. Due to Lebanon being under total Syrian control I bet there would be genuine support from the Lebanese population regardless of religion. It would also be a useful buffer against Syria.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Free_Lebanon

 

[Whiteshore]

Even more dystopic. No TV and compulsory whey for everyone.

And those would be the least of his crimes.

 

[BurkeanLibCon]

I admit, I thought South Africa would also go after the High Commission Territories (Botswana, Lesotho, Eswatini) as well as Simon’s Town seeing as they wished for their transfer in the late 40s in OTL.

It would be quite ironic if Rhodesia and Portuguese Angola and Mozambique became frontline states against South Africa rather than the supporters of it they were in OTL. It would be nice if Botswana could turn out as successfully as it did in OTL.

 

[mcginnis2002]

It would be nice if Botswana could turn out as successfully as it did in OTL.

I'm not sure Van Rensburg will tolerate a state lead by an African man in an interracial relationship with a white woman on his border, and I bet Germany would be more than happy to support South Africa in conquering Botswana.

 

[traveller76]

I'm not sure Van Rensburg will tolerate a state lead by an African man in and interracial relationship with a white woman on his border, and I bet Germany would be more than happy to support South Africa in conquering Botswana.

That may be the next flash point. Remember we also have the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique coming due for anti-colonial rebellions.

 

[Gabingston]

That may be the next flash point. Remember we also have the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique coming due for anti-colonial rebellions.

I expect the Germans to get involved there now that Portugal is a Linz Pact member. Expect atrocities galore.

 

[Aluma]

That may be the next flash point. Remember we also have the Portuguese colonies of Angola and Mozambique coming due for anti-colonial rebellions.

I expect the Germans to get involved there now that Portugal is a Linz Pact member. Expect atrocities galore.

Considering this is the Lusosphere, I expect that to lead to more clashes with Brazil

 

[Whiteshore]

I expect the Germans to get involved there now that Portugal is a Linz Pact member. Expect atrocities galore.

Though the Portuguese in Angola and Mozambique are connected to the government-in-exile, not the government in mainland Portugal, though that is cold comfort at best.

 

[Gabingston]

Though the Portuguese in Angola and Mozambique are connected to the government-in-exile, not the government in mainland Portugal, though that is cold comfort at best.

That may very well be the case. If so, my comment is irrelevant.

 

[skarosianlifeform]

Well, as Portugal was conquered by Germans and the Salazar government was forced to flee under British protection, aren't Portuguese colonies now aligned with the government in exile ? After all, the current "Portuguese government" is just an obvious puppet created by the occupier, and doesn't even have any kind of legal or political continuity with the previous government.

 

[BurkeanLibCon]

Well, as Portugal was conquered by Germans and the Salazar government was forced to flee under British protection, aren't Portuguese colonies now aligned with the government in exile ? After all, the current "Portuguese government" is just an obvious puppet created by the occupied, and doesn't even have any kind of legal or political continuity with the previous government.

Yes, the colonies (except the ones taken by India, China and Indonesia) are aligned with the exiled government. The Royal Navy occupies the Azores.

 

[mcginnis2002]

My prediction for Africa:
-Brazil gets into a Vietnam style quagmire in Angola and Mozambique where it intervenes on behalf of the Portuguese government in exile against the socialist African rebels.
-South Africa invades Botswana and Lesotho.
-Africans in south Africa are either deported to surrounding African nations (like Angola or Mozambique) or they are outright genocided like in Algeria and Morocco.
-Rhodesia eventually defects to the Pakt once the British get too critical of their native policy.
-Rhodesia might do the same to their African population.
-East Africa is united in a communist federation after Independence to better defend against nazi Italy and South Africa. Mao approves.
-Bloody Ethiopian and Somali independence struggle against Italy. Nukes might drop on Addis Ababa ala FOM.

 

[skarosianlifeform]

My prediction for Africa:
-Brazil gets into a Vietnam style quagmire in Angola and Mozambique where it intervenes on behalf of the Portuguese government in exile against the socialist African rebels.
-South Africa invades Botswana and Lesotho.
-Africans in south Africa are either deported to surrounding African nations (like Angola or Mozambique) or they are outright genocided like in Algeria and Morocco.
-Rhodesia eventually defects to the Pakt once the British get too critical of their native policy.
-Rhodesia might do the same to their African population.
-East Africa is united in a communist federation after Independence to better defend against nazi Italy and South Africa. Mao approves.
-Bloody Ethiopian and Somali independence struggle against Italy. Nukes might drop on Addis Ababa ala FOM.

Is South Africa already a member of the Pakt ?

Italians probably won't nuke Addis Abeba, as by this point, it would have a large population of Italian colonists (and Eritrean and Somali loyalists), not to mention being a major military, logistical and administrative hub. On the other hand, a few low-yield nukes dropping on some medium-sized, remote cities with a majority of pro-rebel Ethiopians wouldn't surprise me at all.