The Invasion of 1812, A Northumbrian Survival Timeline

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South Anglia

[FONT=&quot]Sept 1818, Salisbury[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Archbishop Edgar Coombe promulgated legislation which at long last would curb the clerical absolutism of his Archdiocese. Salisbury was to have a Parliament. Dean Grantley had exploded, plotted and pouted, but he had merely delayed the inevitable. The Archbishop had blossomed into a man of substantial parts and was afire to bring accountability to the shepherds. “Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?” Horace had put it so much well just before the time of Our Lord. Well, it might not accomplish all that he would wish, but with constitutionalism entrenched the old complacent arrogance would at least have a check. [/FONT]
 

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[FONT=&quot]April 1819: Paris[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The French shipbuilding programme was coming along quite well. Philip VI had also personally invested in a merchant fleet. The Letters of Marque had not fared particularly well against Spanish vessels as yet, but more were being launched. Plans for the more southerly Vinlandian trading colony of Port Montmorency were well under way. The expedition would leave in a little less than a year. The Count of Saint-Simon increased garrisons in S. France and Savoy substantially in case of a renewal of the Latin War. The king’s position was stronger after the assassination of the Dauphin, but feelings against France’s old ally of Spain were very strong. War might well come soon.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]September 1819: Somerset[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lord Tribune Cripps had presided over the rebuilding of Bristol and a successful union with the Bishopric of Wells. The economy was growing rapidly and population rising thanks to substantial immigration from South Anglia, from Wales and even Leinster. The scars of war were beginning to disappear though the city was still but a shadow of its former self. No one was in the least surprised when his Liberals were re-elected:[/FONT]
Liberal (Cripps): 18 seats.

Independents: 7 seats.

Country (Hayter): 5 seats.


January 1820: Royal Palace, York:

The birth of a second son cemented the succession in Northumbria. Though both pregnancy and birth were difficult for Princess Angharad, she was young and strong and should recover Prince Ethelred was a fine, healthy infant. Edward XIV was delighted. The House of Swale looked safe for much of the century ahead. So much of the eighteenth century it had held on by the thread of a single life. The king was beginning to slow down now with the spread of arthritis, a consequence of his lifelong asceticism. He wondered how many years remained to him. Godric, of course, was a delight. He could not be more tender and helpful and tended to watch over him like a sheepdog when he was in pain. He always knew without a word spoken.

1820 saw the intensification of the political battle in Parliament as Independents began to join factions. Sir Quintus Green was holding on by a whisker now and the initiative had passed to the opposition parties. The results of the 1820 census were awaited with great anticipation as they would materially affect the redrawing of boundaries in early 1821 in advance of the next election. Edward XIV and Prince Edward largely held aloof from these developments despite clear private sympathies.
 
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clem attlee

1820 Census

1820 Census:

Northumbria: 2,342,000.
Electorate: 586,000.

Largest Cities:
York (160K),
Edinburgh (120K),
Hull (90K),
Lancaster (50K),
Sheffield (50K),
Leeds (45K),
Manchester, Liverpool (35K),
Bamburgh (33K)
Dumfries (31K)
Newcastle (27K)


The major towns were:
Preston, Bradford, Morpeth (20K),
Carlisle, Ripon, (17K)
Pontefract, Bolton (16K)
Halifax, Bury (15K)
Goole, Barnsley, Wakefield (12K)
Burnley, Whitby, Rotherham (10K)
Richmond, Wigan, Penrith, (9K)
Selkirk, Scarborough, Kendall, Durham, (8K)
Jarrow, Blackburn, Peebles (7K)
Bridlington, Pickering, (6K).
Doncaster, Oldham, Beverley, Skipton, Salford, Rochdale, St Helens (5K)
 
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Boundary changes

[FONT=&quot]Parliamentary Redistribution of Seats[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Galloway (9): Dumfries (Cen, E), Galloway (E, Mid, N, NW, SW), Clydesdale, Ayr and Cumnock.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lothian (15): Edinburgh (Cen, E, Leith, N, S, W), Berwick, Teviotdale, Tweeddale, Eskdale, Lothian (E, Mid, N, W), Peebles.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bernicia (20): Bamburgh (N, S), Newcastle (E and Tynemouth, W), Morpeth, Durham and Wear, Blyth Valley, Jarrow, Middlesborough, Hartlepool and Stockton, Hexham, S. Tyneside, Auckland, Upper Teesdale, Stanley, Spennymoor, Easington, Bernicia N, Gateshead, Sunderland.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yorkshire (37): York (Acomb, Clifton, Fulford, Heworth, Minster and St Mary, Nunthorpe, Walma, Westfield), Hull (Cen, E, N, S, W), Sheffield (Cen, E, W), Leeds (E, W), Ripon, Doncaster, Selby and Goole, Beverley and Wolds, Bradford, Pontefract, Halifax, Barnsley and Stocksbridge, Wakefield and Dewsbury, Rother Valley, Colne Valley, Scarborough and Whitby, Pickering, Easingwold, Richmond and Swale, Skipton and Keighley, Uredale, Pocklington, Nidderdale.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lancashire (28): Lancaster (E, N, W), Manchester (N, S), Liverpool (E, W), Bolton, Bury, Burnley and Clitheroe, Preston, Fylde, Oldham and Rochdale, Wigan, Salford, St Helens, Mossley and Hyde, Wharfedale, Ribbledale, Altrincham and Cheadle, Stretford, Warrington, Stockport, Darwen, Accrington, Pennines Mid, Forest of Bowland, Morecambe.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rheged (10): Carlisle, Penrith, Kendall, Furness, Rheged (NE, NW, Mid, SE, SW).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Other (1): High Peak,[/FONT]
 
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Lindseyman

Couple of queries:D
1. Wouldn't the Nunthorpe seat be South Bank (or worse Mill Mount)?
2. Wouldn't Acomb be part of a West Riding constituency at this time? OTL Acomb only became part of York in the 1930s.
3. Who actually is the father of the two princes?
(OK that's three queries not two!)
 

clem attlee

Lindseyman said:
Couple of queries:D
1. Wouldn't the Nunthorpe seat be South Bank (or worse Mill Mount)?
2. Wouldn't Acomb be part of a West Riding constituency at this time? OTL Acomb only became part of York in the 1930s.
3. Who actually is the father of the two princes?
(OK that's three queries not two!)
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1 The prestige of the military academy overrode other considerations. :cool:

2 York's city boundaries had been extended outwards ca 1804-05 because of the much larger growth of the city ITTL. :)

3 Prince Edward is the father of the Princes. He is not a celibate - yet - and he does need heirs. :eek:
 

clem attlee

New France

[FONT=&quot]August 1821, Port Montmorency, Vinland[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The newly founded small French trading post was surviving. The local Skraelings were eager for iron trade goods and bartered food and tobacco for them. France was to become fascinated by the vegetable root that they called ground apples. They were calorically very rich and nutritious. The great heat and humidity was a curse though, unlike anything the European settlers had ever experienced. They felt as though they were wading through custard at the height of summer. Philip VI was delighted with the reports of local crops and ordered more settlers to be despatched in order to cultivate them at the trading post. He sent iron goods, silks and jewels to buy the land for five miles around. The local chiefs accepted.[/FONT]
 

clem attlee

1821 General election predictions?

I have determined the election results and will post them at 7 EST. There are 120 seats, of which independents win 9. Anyone care to estimate the standings of the others parties out of the 111 remaining seats?

Land League: double figures
Progressives: double figures
Christian Reformers: double figures
 
perdu42

perdu42

My speculation:
Christian Reformers - 49 seats
Land League - 38 seats
Progressives - 24 seats
Independents - 9 seats

The rump of the Progressives decide to enter an alliance with the Land League to form a government of conservative backlash. Or not ...


Nice updates :).
 

clem attlee

perdu42 said:
My speculation:
Christian Reformers - 49 seats
Land League - 38 seats
Progressives - 24 seats
Independents - 9 seats

The rump of the Progressives decide to enter an alliance with the Land League to form a government of conservative backlash. Or not ...


Nice updates :).
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Glad to see that someone has the guts to guess. Quite close too all in all. Update imminent.
 

clem attlee

1821 General Election results

[FONT=&quot]3rd September 1821, Northumbrian General Election[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]A number of Progressive MPs retire, including Sir Leonard Hardy, Sir Deorwine Wilberforce and the Earl of Pontefract.
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[FONT=&quot]Land League: Galloway Mid, Galloway N ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]Baron Galloway defeated)[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Galloway SW, Berwick, Peebles, Teviotdale, Newcastle E. and Tynemouth, Morpeth (Earl of Morpeth), Auckland, Upper Teesdale, Stanley, Spennymoor, Bernicia N, Kendall, Furness, Rheged Mid, Rheged NW, Rheged SE, York: Westfield, Ripon, Beverley and Wolds, Wakefield and Dewsbury, Pickering, Easingwold, Skipton and Keighley, Uredale, Nidderdale, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Fylde,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] St Helens, Wharfedale, Ribbledale, Altrincham and Cheadle, Accrington, Morecambe, Pennines Mid, High Peak.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Progressives: Dumfries Cen, Dumfries E, Edinburgh Cen, Edinburgh N, Edinburgh S, Eskdale ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sir Waldeorf Steele)[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Lothian Mid (Earl of Dalkeith), Tweeddale (Baron Selkirk), Bamburgh N, Durham and Wear, Sunderland, Carlisle (Sir Dunstan Hambledon), Rheged NE, Rheged SW, York: Nunthorpe, Hull Cen, Hull N, Hull S, Sheffield W, Leeds W, Doncaster, Selby and Goole, Bradford, Halifax, Scarborough and Whitby, Pocklington, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lancaster E, Lancaster N, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lancaster W, Liverpool W, Burnley and Clitheroe, Oldham and Rochdale, Salford, Mossley and Hyde, Stretford, Warrington, Darwen, [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Independents: Galloway E, Galloway NW, Clydesdale, Hexham, Pennines N, York: Fulford (Sir Quintus Green defeated), York: Minster and St Mary (Earl of Hull), Hull E[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Stockport.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Christian Reformers: Ayr and Cumnock, Edinburgh E, Edinburgh: Leith, Edinburgh W, Lothian E, Lothian N, Lothian W, Bamburgh S, Newcastle W, Blyth Valley, Jarrow, Middlesborough, Hartlepool and Stockton, S. Tyneside, Easington, Gateshead, Penrith (Baron Yanwath), York: Acomb, York: Clifton, York: Heworth, York: Walma, Hull W, Sheffield Cen, Sheffield E, Leeds E, Pontefract, Barnsley and Stocksbridge, Rother Valley, Colne Valley,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Richmond and Swale,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Manchester N, Manchester S, Liverpool E, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Bolton, Bury, Preston, Wigan, Forest of Bowland.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Land League: 36 seats.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Progressives: 37 seats.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Independents: 9 seats.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Christian Reformers: 38 seats.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 

clem attlee

Governments

10th September 1821: York:

Sir Quintus Green resigned as Prime Minister and as leader of the Progressives. The MPs choose Sir Waldeorf Steele to replace him. He is on the more conservative wing of the party and has links with the gentry of the Land League. Edward XIV calls on Owain Donaldson to form a government. He advises including the Earl of Hull. Donaldson is able to pull together a cabinet of six Christian Reformers, two Progressives and two Independents. In all, he wins the support of 8 Progressives and 3 independents.

The Ninth Cabinet of Edward XIV:
Prime Minister: Owain Donaldson
Foreign Secretary: Earl of Dalkeith (Progressive)
War Secretary: Baron Yanwath
Admiralty Secretary: Captain Sir Edward Rathbone (Progressive, Liverpool W.)
Lord Chancellor: Earl of Hull (Independent)
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Michael Armstrong (Newcastle W)
Home Secretary: Edberg Ward (Leeds E)
Lord Privy Seal: Gladwine Culkin (Manchester N)
Postmaster-General: Wystan Elmet (Independent, York:Fulford)
Minister of Works: Gabriel D’Avoult (York: Clifton)

Government Supporters: 49
Neutral: 11 (6 Independents, 5 Progressives)
Opposition: 60 (36 Land League, 24 Progressives)

A week later the King’s Speech is voted down by 62 to 58 votes. Edward XIV permits Sir Waldeorf Steele to form a government. The Earl of Dalkeith refuses to serve. Steele forms a cabinet of 5 Progressives and 5 Land League. It survives a vote of confidence by 68 to 52 votes.

The Tenth Cabinet of Edward XIV:
Prime Minister: Sir Waldeorf Steele (Prog)
Foreign Secretary: Earl of Morpeth (LL)
War Secretary: Lord Goole (Prog, Selby and Goole)
Admiralty Secretary: Admiral Sir Swithin Sutcliffe (Prog, Hull N)
Lord Chancellor: Earl of Westmorland (LL, Rheged SE)
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Sir Dunstan Hambledon (Prog)
Home Secretary: Sir Osbert Darrow (LL, Pickering)
Lord Privy Seal: Sir Wulfstan Peake (LL, Upper Teesdale)
Postmaster-General: Lord Alfred Cunningham (LL, Morecambe)
Minister of Works: Berthold Schmidt (Prog, Sheffield W)
 

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Coalition

1821-25:

In the course of the next three years, the weavers and artisans become progressively more disillusioned with the government’s support of capitalism. They are losing their livelihoods and want redress. This leads to demonstrations, then acts of sabotage when the Home Secretary sends in the army. Many textile workers wanted shorter hours, industrial safety regulation and less child labour. The government passed a bill rendering combinations of workers illegal. Edward XIV refused to sign it into law. The tensions of major industrial and population growth are beginning to simmer. The coalition government cannot agree on a legislative agenda and so simply holds power. Sir Quintus Green gains Leeds West in a by election in 1823. He has the support of the solid middle of the Progressives, but is not offered a position in the cabinet. Several Progressives defect to the Christian Reformers (Dumfries Cen, Edinburgh Cen, Lothian Mid, Lancaster N, Liverpool W, Salford). Owain Donaldson renames the party Christian Progressives. In March 1825, the 52 year old Sir Quintus Green pulled off a parliamentary coup and withdrew from supporting the government with 17 other MPs. They called themselves Liberals and spoke up for moderate reform, greater trade and industry and modernised farming. They repudiated the weak record of the current government and stood on the past record of Progressive achievements. Sir Waldeorf Steele and his 13 remaining supporters simply combined with the Land League as the Conservatives.

Conservatives: 50 seats.

Independents: 9 seats.

Liberals: 18 seats.

Christian Progressives: 43 seats.

Three months later, after active oratorical tours on all sides, Sir Quintus Green brought down the government. The general election was set for 18th July 1825. Edward XIV was now 82.
 

clem attlee

Well, I have determined the results of the General Election of 1825 in Galloway, Lothian, Bernicia and Rheged. Please feel free to essay guesses about results. The number of independents is dropping. Results to-morrow some time.
 
Jonathan Edelstein

Jonathan Edelstein

Independents will decline as the party system solidifies, and the Liberals will get squeezed in the middle as moderates usually are.

Christian Progressives 56
Conservatives 42
Liberals 16
Independents 6
 

clem attlee

Jonathan Edelstein said:
Independents will decline as the party system solidifies, and the Liberals will get squeezed in the middle as moderates usually are.

Christian Progressives 56
Conservatives 42
Liberals 16
Independents 6
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You are very close on one of the parties. In the end, there were three Independents. Feel free to edit your prediction accordingly. Thanks for your support.:cool:
 

clem attlee

I have now finished the general election results and will post them ca 8 EST in order to give others a chance to guess the results. It would be nice if someone else had a go. ;):)
 
Jonathan Edelstein

Jonathan Edelstein

clem attlee said:
You are very close on one of the parties. In the end, there were three Independents. Feel free to edit your prediction accordingly.
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Not much of a personal vote for the independents then?

If I'm close on one of the parties, that means I'm wrong about the balance between the other two, and I'd guess that one of those is he Liberals. So I'll assume that Quintus Green does have both a personal vote and coattails, leading the Liberals to a better showing than mushy centrist parties usually turn in, and that disillusionment with the incumbent government sinks the Conservatives.

Christian Progressive 57
Conservative 34
Liberal 26
Independent 3
 
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