Worse come to it, cycle him into a job pushing pencils in the bureaucracy. Win-win.
The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3)
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Well, there is this...
It doesn't seem like too much of a leap to think that, if called up to the Armed Forces, conscientious objectors would get a similar deal
It doesn't seem like too much of a leap to think that, if called up to the Armed Forces, conscientious objectors would get a similar deal
As far as I know, the UASR do have a gulag system where many reactionaries were sent but i doubt that conditions could be as hard as that of the Soviet Union, though prisons are totalitarian institutions by default in some way, even with reforms introduced.
For conscientious objectors, there is an alternate national service for them. Even the US in OTL do have one, I believe.
For conscientious objectors, there is an alternate national service for them. Even the US in OTL do have one, I believe.
Really, this is the first time I heard about it? Because every time I read about the UASR dealing with reactionaries it was by executing them after a show trial, not send them to a labor camp.
Thats part of it but I assume that there will be Americanized more humane labor camps but without the intense policing and brutal treatment of prisoners, at least most of the time. Things will gradually change after the wartime amnesty and the Second Cultural Revolution.
Except there's no mention of labor camps throughout all the threads of the TL
Yeah, it always makes references to prisons (like Lucky Luciano is on Riker's Island, and I think Alcatraz becomes a pentitentary for mid-level fascist leaders like George Marshall), or to large show trials for the big leaders (with minor members being recruited into an espionage network, or being unceremoniously executed).
I'd imagine it largely stays the same in terms of function (except for its role in copyright management), but is placed under the jurisdiction of the Secreatariat of Culture.
I know that. I meant, they make references to those, but nothing on labor or prison camps.
I see. I understand what you all mean comrades.
I remember a post of IP regarding how reactionaries are being dealt with from disenfranchisement to labor camps, but the labor camp part may not be cannon.
That's a long time ago.
I guess this is better for the UASR not to have gulags or labor camps. Why not?
I remember a post of IP regarding how reactionaries are being dealt with from disenfranchisement to labor camps, but the labor camp part may not be cannon.
That's a long time ago.
I guess this is better for the UASR not to have gulags or labor camps. Why not?
Bookmark1995
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One of the biggest OTL controversies of the Soviet war was the fate of the Free Polish Army OTL.
During the OTL, the Soviet Union often hindered the efforts of Polish resistance fighters, tried to make them out as "Nazi collaborators," and often locked them up in prison camps. The Soviets were so eager to destroy non-communist Polish resistance, there is even a theory that the Kielce Pogrom was started by the NKVD to discredit non-communist Poland in the eyes of the West.
ITTL, do the non-Communist Polish resistors still have a bad relationship with Comintern, or are they willing partners with the UASR-led Comintern in Poland's liberation?
During the OTL, the Soviet Union often hindered the efforts of Polish resistance fighters, tried to make them out as "Nazi collaborators," and often locked them up in prison camps. The Soviets were so eager to destroy non-communist Polish resistance, there is even a theory that the Kielce Pogrom was started by the NKVD to discredit non-communist Poland in the eyes of the West.
ITTL, do the non-Communist Polish resistors still have a bad relationship with Comintern, or are they willing partners with the UASR-led Comintern in Poland's liberation?
The thing about GULAG as an institution wad that it's existence depended on making criminals. Forced prison labor was part of the Stalinist primitive accumulation strategy, and that entailed as a matter of institutional design the arbitrary and capricious arrest of millions.
While obviously the UASR has no need for such methods, prison labor was already a major part of the US prison system, and that will continue after the Revolution, with greatly swelled ranks of reactionaries. While more extensive than OTL convict labor in America, inmates have more rights, including remuneration. And the system largely becomes obsolescent in WW2, as most of the prison population are granted reprieve, commutation or amnesty to free up labor for the war economy.
While obviously the UASR has no need for such methods, prison labor was already a major part of the US prison system, and that will continue after the Revolution, with greatly swelled ranks of reactionaries. While more extensive than OTL convict labor in America, inmates have more rights, including remuneration. And the system largely becomes obsolescent in WW2, as most of the prison population are granted reprieve, commutation or amnesty to free up labor for the war economy.
It's still around. Its patron institution is the All-Union Congress of Soviets now.
France's repudiation of their mutual defense treaty with Poland was a massive blow to the establishment. Communists use this to great effect in resistance, and so most Polish political groups get pulled into alignment to the Comintern.
Bookmark1995
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Does that mean communist rule will become more palatable to the Poles, or will it still be unbearable for the average citizen?
You'll get more details about post-war Eastern Europe after the war is over. But suffice to say, it won't be a retread of OTL for obvious reasons.
Mostly because the primary reason behind it died from a arty strike.
Redshank Galloglass
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May I ask what becomes of The Great Gatsby ITTL? It's one of my favorite books.
It goes by a different name, but I think the content is the same:
I do wonder what happened to Fitzgerald after the Revolution.