The Boys In Blue: a New Zealand dictatorship TL

[Dan1988]

Great job on its revival, Maeglin!

 

[Jonathan Edelstein]

Great to see this back, although it isn't great to see NZ using Soviet-style psychiatry (did even the Soviets lobotomize political dissidents?).

 

[Fubart Solman]

Yay! It's back!

I know have an odd image of NZSS people blowing up an environmental ship in French Polynesia.

Perhaps New Caledonia? That would be a lot closer to NZ.

 

[Historyman 14]

Is it just me, or the need to see New Zealand fall apart or get a invasion got bigger thanks to Holland?

 

[Archangel]

Internal support for Holland must be falling with this repressive measures, as not everyone will buy into the propaganda.

 

[Maeglin]

Great to see this back, although it isn't great to see NZ using Soviet-style psychiatry (did even the Soviets lobotomize political dissidents?).

The Soviets actually banned lobotomies as inhumane (1950) long before the West did so. Sweden of all places lobotomised thousands of people up until the mid-1960s.

The thing about locking dissidents up in "care" - that dark underbelly of psychiatric torture really did exist in New Zealand (and elsewhere), it just normally wasn't used for political ends in OTL. Disappearing people via Asylum strikes me as a convenient way of sweeping opposition under the rug with minimal consequences. It's not as if you're shooting them in broad daylight.

 

[SenatorChickpea]

I've been told by a nurse of one horrible case from the bad old days- a father who worked in the asylums went through a bad divorce, and had his two children institutionalised rather than lose custody to the mother.
He then moved to Australia with his new wife, leaving them in the system....
So yes, I think that in many ways our mental health system would be easier to turn into a tool of oppression than our police, at least in this period.

 

[Zoidberg12]

I started reading this about a fortnight or so ago and got caught up not long after, and I have to say I'm really enjoying it. I didn't know much about New Zealand politics going into this, so I thought it was really cool learning about it as I read through this. I also thought the story itself was very interesting, and I enjoyed the intrigue in general. How the Civil War played out was particularly interesting.

All in all, I'm interesting to see where this timeline/story heads. I can tell it won't be pretty and that Sid Holland's New Zealand is going to be one ugly place. I can only see things getting worse, what with lobotomizing political dissidents. I'm especially curious about who succeeds Holland (my money's on either Algie, Marshall or Bjelke-Petersen) and on the status of the rest of the world, what with no UN and no Korean War, among other changes.

 

[Zoidberg12]

Heres a list I made of this timeline's Prime Ministers of New Zealand, including the ones from before the POD.

List of Prime Ministers of New Zealand

Colonial Secretaries (1856-1869)

Henry Sewell (No Party) (1856)
William Fox (No Party) (1856)
Edward Stafford (No Party) (1856-1861)
Sir William Fox (No Party) (1861-1862)
Alfred Domett (No Party) (1862-1863)
Sir Frederick Whitaker (No Party) (1863-1864)
Frederick Weld (No Party) (1864-1865)
Sir Edward Stafford (No Party) (1865-1869)

Premiers (1869-1907)

Sir William Fox (No Party) (1869-1872)
Edward Stafford (No Party) (1872)
George Waterhouse (No Party) (1872-1873)
William Fox (No Party) (1873)
Julius Vogel (No Party) (1873-1875)
Daniel Pollen (No Party) (1875-1876)
Sir Julius Vogel (No Party) (1876)
Harry Atkinson (No Party) (1876-1877)
Sir George Grey (No Party) (1877-1879)
John Hall (No Party) (1879-82)
Frederick Whitaker (No Party) (1882-1883)
Harry Atkinson (No Party) (1883-1884)
Robert Stout (No Party) (1884-1887)
Harry Atkinson (No Party) (1887-1891)
John Ballance (Liberal) (1891-1893)
Richard Seddon (Liberal) (1893-1906)

Prime Ministers (1907- )

Joseph Ward (Liberal) (1906-1912)
William Massey (Reform) (1912-1925)
Gordon Coates (Reform) (1925-1928)
Joseph Ward (1928-1930) (United)
George Forbes (United) (1930-1935) (United-Reform Coalition) (1931-1935)
Harry Holland (Labour) (1935-1938)†
Robert "Bob" Semple (Labour) (1938-1942)*
Gervan McMillan (Labour) (1942-1945)†
John A. Lee (Labour) (1945)
Sidney Holland (National Democratic) (1945- )

†=Died
*=Resigned

 

[galileo-034]

I already did that one, page 10:

 

[Historyman 14]

We need a TL when John A Lee won the Civil War and we have a Red New Zealand!!

 

[Sideways]

I'd read a Reds win timeline, but how to get support for them? We can't butterfly republicanism away. And what do they do to their opponants? There's still the problem that without controls the civil war could be undone by an election.

We might end up with a different kind of New Zealand dictatorship.

 

[Zoidberg12]

Any idea on when the next update will come? I curious to see just how low Sid Holland's New Zealand can go.

 

[tukk323]

Just caught up on this fascinating timeline. Very well done, best NZ based alternate history I have seen.
Hope to see more soon

 

[BernieForPrez]

Is this still alive?

 

[Julius Vogel]

Is this still alive?

I suspect not, as last update was almost 12 months ago. However, the author is still a regular contributor, so perhaps send him a message directly?

 

[galileo-034]

What's happening here ?

PS:

 

[SenatorChickpea]

Damn you, I thought this was back!