Thande
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To quote Father Brown:
Kirk getting promoted to Captain isn't impossible, but it is incredible and that's why it's harder to believe in than Spock's Brain.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Nice quote, I'll have to remember that one.
To quote Father Brown:
Kirk getting promoted to Captain isn't impossible, but it is incredible and that's why it's harder to believe in than Spock's Brain.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Nice quote, I'll have to remember that one.
Well, we're also closing in on another milestone, but I'll leave celebrating that one up to Brainbin once we actually hit it.Changing subjects, we're getting close to 100 pages...
NCW8 said:Wait long enough and some-one will colorize Schindler's List
A fair point, & I'll concede. Given the appearance of Old Spock, it's actually the more sensible than the "ST"-usual "wiping out history" approach.NCW8 said:Parallel timelines are part of the canon (or at least part of the TNG canon). I prefer to think that the real Star Trek is just a quantum shift away.
Agreed. Which really comes to my original point: there's room enough in the canon not to need the "Big 6"...tho I somehow doubt the suits have the wit or nerve to use anybody else, whence the reboot.NCW8 said:Mind you, there are enough things wrong with the reboot anyway, starting with the fact that Kirk should never have been promoted to Captain that quickly. I think that it would have been more interesting to show the voyages of Captain Pike, starting with the arrival of Lieutenant Kirk.
(Note: I never actually watched "Red Dwarf", but that's stupid on its face.)Thande said:EXCEPT AT THE SAME BLOODY TIME, they went back and "remastered" series 1-3 using THE SAME BAD CGI MODELS SO THE LINE ABOUT RED DWARF BEING A DIFFERENT DESIGN NOW MAKES NO EFFING SENSE! (And there's a scene with Blue Midget that now no longer makes any sense because it shows it walking on the surface of a planet when it was flying in the original).
Sorry, no, IMO it's just another case of "didn't do the research" (or "thinks fans are stupid"): somebody who doesn't know "cadet" isn't the next step down from "captain".Fridge Horror: Starfleet was so badly crippled at the Battle of Vulcan that it became palatable to promote someone like Kirk to a command position.
(It's my theory, anyway.)
I grant that's the way it's usually presented in-series, but is it known Earth's Academy is the only one? Or is it only the one for Humans & Vulcans (& a few others)? Also, do we know from the film (I can't say it was clear to me) if this was the entire class, or just an entire section? Since it's likely IMO there will be several concurrent groups up for, or close to, graduation at any given time.LordInsane said:the majority of Starfleet Academy's graduating class.
I most certainly don't want that.Thande said:I agree but if we start that discussion we'll be here all day and distract from Brainbin's timeline.
I would definitely recommend it, though like any show it varies in quality between episodes and series.(Note: I never actually watched "Red Dwarf", but that's stupid on its face.)
I would definitely recommend it, though like any show it varies in quality between episodes and series.
I'm glad that I haven't seen the remastered episodes. I don't see how remastering could possibly improve Red Dwarf as the model shots were actually pretty good. In the cast commentary on the season five dvd, it's interesting that the actors also say that the model shots are better than CGI.
I would definitely recommend it, though like any show it varies in quality between episodes and series.
Does this impact Mario van Peebles' career, seeing his uncle isn't therefore producer, director, writer, editor, & caterer?Brainbin said:Cosby...had funded Sweet Sweetback’s Baadassss Song)
And thoroughly deserved IMO.Brainbin said:immortal theme song (written by Isaac Hayes, who won an Oscar for his composition)
But no mention of Cleopatra Jones... Not that I disliked Pam, mind.Brainbin said:Pam Grier, starring in the Coffy series
Does this mean the proposed "black 'Dirty Harry'" doesn't get made TTL, either? Should I take it to mean this is the first of a string of "crazed vet" films?Brainbin said:starred former football star Fred Williamson ...revenge fantasies like Dirty Harry and Death Wish were films such as Finney
*ahem* (That would go right by non-Trekkers, I'm sure. {I should, however, confess I missed the significance of your Herbert Rossoff response.})Brainbin said:Ben Finney
This post-dated OTL's "Room 222", doesn't it? (Somehow, I always got the impression there was a "blacker" than usual cast on that show. Or maybe I was just starting to notice...)Brainbin said:another period piece, Cooley High, often considered the “Blaxploitation American Graffiti”; a genuine retro nostalgia piece from that perspective, and a surprisingly fond look back at the ghetto life. Writer-producer Eric Monte was approached by network executives who invited him to adapt the film into a television series, partly as a response to Rock Around the Clock and breakout hit Welcome Back, Kotter. [7] The new show would premiere in the 1976-77 season, under the name What’s Going On!!.
(For the record.)Brainbin said:as well as – most lucratively – Trekkies.
I like the idea of this film...but subtle that title ain't. I have a feeling it would get bigger over time, & by the '90s-'00s, it would be seen as a very significant film.Brainbin said:starred in Equality
Allowing for the character not getting much range, I was never terribly impressed with Nichols' acting, so this strikes me as a charity nom. Given the film, tho, not out of bounds.Brainbin said:Nichols would be awarded for her performance with, among other accolades, an Academy Award nomination for Best Actress.
I suspect I'd like this, spun off, much better than the OTL version.Brainbin said:when the #1 series on television, Rock Around the Clock, began featuring more black characters in order to reflect their influx into Milwaukee in the 1950s, to work in the breweries. (Indeed, the patriarch of one family is said to work as a foreman at “Shotz Brewery”
Still Gloria Hendry, I presume, & not, say, Tamara Dobson?Brainbin said:the first significant Bond Girl of African extraction.
Too early for a reggae influence? (I'd be happy if radio never played "I Shot the Sheriff"...)Brainbin said:proliferation of funk
Allowing the music is more/less the same as OTL's Grease, this should be big, & the soundtrack pretty successful. (And "Grease" will still be the word.) Have you picked your leads? I'd be interested knowing. (I know it's way early, but I'm seeing Irene Cara & Gene Anthony Ray, somehow.)Brainbin said:the retro nostalgia landmark Greased Lightning
Maybe that's why it's taking him so long to release The Last Dangerous Visions - he has to keep changing the preface every time he finds something new to rail against!So much could be said here... But I will restrain myself. I read The Essential Ellison as a kid, though, and wow what an interesting personage. I saw there is a revised version out, too, maybe I need to get that to keep up with everyone he has come to hate since the late 1980s.
I believe I subsequently made my own opinion on the matter crystal-clear Suffice it to say, I completely agree.e_wraith said:Yes to all of this! Ugh, why did they do this? Next step, 3D CGI! Oh, and we can also replace the original actors with the remake actors and... Wait, I shouldn't be giving anyone ideas here. And, of course, because of the cost of the new cast they will just film them saying common words and use CGI to "seamlessly" splice it all together making a superior Trek for us all! Ehem, enough ranting.
As an enthusiast of popular culture, I love that ending, despite not really being an avid viewer of either of his shows - and it really demonstrates the potency of a live studio audience. They all knew they were watching history unfold, and they reacted accordingly. I don't think it would have been half as good without them. And major kudos to the two of them for managing to keep it together in the first (and only!) take - I have no idea how they could have done it.e_wraith said:Newhart did this very well, how could you not appreciate the ending? Though I am sure many fans who were not exposed to the original probably felt a bit let down. I was lucky enough to have seen some of the original in reruns so as to get it, but my main exposure to Bob Newhart was through the second show at the time.
I almost couldn't believe that they (the BBC, no less!) actually brought it back after the finale - it seems so American.e_wraith said:Brittas Empire used the dream trope? Wow, I missed that episode. I mean I thought I recalled how it ended, but I see it actually came back after that. I learn all sorts of new things here!
Well, Memory Alpha is a fan wiki, and you'd think that they of all people would appreciate history (especially considering all the warring going on between their Star Wars brethren and their cruel master). As for SFDebris... well, it's hard to explain if you're not familiar with his work, but suffice it to say that he definitely does not seem the type to do something like that. But then again, if these last few pages have reinforced anything it's that some things aren't nearly as predictable as you might think.Why so? Am I missing something?
I might have said that it would be Spielberg himself, but at least he seems genuinely repentant about the changes that he made to E.T.Wait long enough and some-one will colorize Schindler's List
I accept this interpretation, myself. The universe we all know and love - well, at least the 23rd century thereof, anyway, as I could do without the 24th - is safe and sound.Abrams' official stance is that the original Star Trek is pretty much just a quantum shift away.
My apologies, I shall do penance by reading the entire Starfleet Technical Manual backwards and forwards Except not really.Battle cruisers, not warbirds. Don't make the same mistake as Enterprise and Star Trek IX (the latter of which is probably pure trolling, considering how Berman and Braga actually apologised for doing this and admitted it was a mistake, and then Abrams comes along and does the exact same thing)
Which is why I was truly surprised when he did the "remastered" version of Star Trek. And he changed his mind on it, too - I remember the YouTube version of "Space Seed" used the original effects, and he even talked about how he wasn't going to mock them simply because they were bad in the introduction to the episode (that's all been removed from the blip re-upload, which uses the "remastered" effects instead). I'm half-tempted to actually drop him a line and ask him what the deal is.Thande said:As an indication of how terrible these CGI versions were, note that Sfdebris (whose exclusive use of remastered TOS footage does evoke mixed feelings in myself, even though I like the TOS-R stuff more than you) didn't touch them with a barge pole when he reviewed Red Dwarf Series 1-3/
Believe it or not, that topic of discussion isn't nearly as far afield as some of the other things my readers have fixated upon in the past!Thande said:I agree but if we start that discussion we'll be here all day and distract from Brainbin's timeline.
Likewise, that's the only remotely logical explanation I could find to explain that promotion (a jump of six ranks, for the record).Fridge Horror: Starfleet was so badly crippled at the Battle of Vulcan that it became palatable to promote someone like Kirk to a command position.
(It's my theory, anyway.)
I love that episode. I know it's wrong, but I can't stop laughing whenever I watch it. Though that's a funny coincidence, how in both Star Trek XI and "Spock's Brain", the best performance is given by the actor who plays Dr. McCoy. DeForest Kelley acted his heart out in that episode, and Karl Urban imitated him masterfully.I remember BlackWave taking issue with the fact that I said that Kirk's promotion at the end of Star Trek IX was less plausible and realistic than everything that happened in "Spock's Brain" put together, but I stand by that statement.
No, it was in colour. Don't worry, I understand what you meantWas Gone withe Wind not originally in color? What I meant was touching up degraded images. Black and white movies should stay black and white.
Indeed we are! And I very literally could not have done it without you guys, so thank you all!Changing subjects, we're getting close to 100 pages...
It is a great quote, and also a perfect demonstration of how people interpret the rules of fiction, and how they contrast with those of reality.It's GK Chesteron. The man's politics may have bordered on the horrific--and occasionally passed the border--but damn it, could he write.
Just about a thousand more to go! I cannot believe how quickly that view count is rising. You guys really are amazingWell, we're also closing in on another milestone, but I'll leave celebrating that one up to Brainbin once we actually hit it.
I've never actually seen Red Dwarf properly - my first real exposure (TV Tropes page - which left me mostly befuddled, actually - aside) was seeing the SFDebris reviews, back as they were first being uploaded onto YouTube. That, in turn, inspired me to watch bits and pieces of a few actual episodes (back when they were on YouTube), but I've never really sat down and decided to watch the show as a whole. Part of it is the Gilligan premise - I tend to avoid those until they get a definitive ending, so that I don't become invested and then get let down. And - let's face it - they're never going to get back home to Earth "for real", especially since Naylor seems to want to go on forever.I would definitely recommend it, though like any show it varies in quality between episodes and series.
I'd agree with that. For me, it went downhill after the sixth season when Rob Grant left the writing team, but the first five seasons are excellent. It uses SF tropes, but it isn't really making fun of SF. In that sense, it's like Galaxy Quest.
I would second that recommendation. Red Dwarf is often compared to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -- and there are considerable similarities in writing style and tone -- but I think Grant and Naylor pull off (semi-)serious moments (e.g., Gunmen of the Apocalypse, Back to Reality) in a way that Douglas Adams never did (nor, to be fair to Adams, did he really try).
Thank you, MaskedPickle! Yes, I knew I needed a snappy title, so I "borrowed" it from one of the most famous Blaxploitation parodies, the film that put the Wayans family on the map. Samuel L. Jackson was a lot of fun because he's "from" the South (he was living in Atlanta in this era IOTL), and he was involved with militant groups, so Finney would basically be a semi-autobiographical character for him to play, and a nice way to him to sublimate his rage at the injustices against his people.This is excellent! Seeing Samuel Jackson's career taking off so early is really neat. But it's not as neat as the update's title (yeah, I really love this parody. )
Well, it's shot on film as opposed to video, which is obviously a huge step in the right direction. But yes, I was utterly unable to resist the opportunity to cast Samuel L. Jackson in a bona fide Blaxploitation movie (how could I not?) where he gets to utter his favourite word (you know the one!) to his heart's contentFinney sounds like it'd be one of the most badass movies of the decade, especially if the production values are half-decent. Especially since it's starring Samuel L. Jackson. (Especially if he's quoting Bible verses as he's killing the bad guys.)
He'll even be sporting a real Afro! Eat your heart out, Jheri curlvultan said:Man, it'd probably be Quentin Tarantino's favorite movie ITTL.
Apparently, the abysmal production values were deliberate, as a further parody of Blaxploitation. Sounds like a cheap excuse to me, though.vultan said:Speaking of good production values, is Dolemite a better quality film in this story? As it stands IOTL, it's a schlocky guilty pleasure at best.
Eat your heart out, Pointy-Earsvultan said:And good on Nichelle Nichol for getting an Oscar nod!
Thank you!Another nice job, as usual.
Are you talking about They Call Me MISTER Tibbs!? That was released ITTL.phx1138 said:With the success of "Shaft", I wonder if there's room, or inclination, for another sequel to "In the Heat of the Night". I understand there were several books featuring Tibbs (not counting later works). It's too early for Easy Rawlins...but I'm pretty sure there were other black detectives.
Well now, I'm not writing a Blaxploitation timelinephx1138 said:But no mention of Cleopatra Jones... Not that I disliked Pam, mind.
No, that can be his springboard into Live and Let Die. I chose Williams largely because he's smooth and suave and could pull off the kind of role I'm envisioning (and we may yet hear some more about Special Agent Cal Waters - though I'm a bit surprised that you didn't catch the reference in that name).phx1138 said:As an aside, is "Hit!" affected at all? OTL, it starred Billy Dee Williams as a more/less Establishment fed, the only real diff being he was black. I thought that was handled nicely. (The "drug war" angle was unusual at the time.)
One of many, yes, it's a sub-genre of Blaxploitation ITTL. They aren't crazed, though - they are righteous black men who wish to end the suffering of their Brothers by any means necessary. You have to remember the lingo of Blaxploitation. Also, recall that many more veterans of colour survived the overseas quagmire ITTL.phx1138 said:Should I take it to mean this is the first of a string of "crazed vet" films?
Yes, 100% absolutely yes. That is definitely a safe assumption.phx1138 said:I'm presuming, generally, blaxploitation flicks are unaffected unless noted.
Believe it or not, I did arrive at the name "Finney" organically. The first black military officer was named Flipper. And what's like a flipper? A fin! It was going to be Finn until I found the right first name (simple, preferably Biblical), and then I couldn't help but switch it over to Ben Finneyphx1138 said:*ahem* (That would go right by non-Trekkers, I'm sure. {I should, however, confess I missed the significance of your Herbert Rossoff response.})
There were three rather awful movies that attempted just that IOTL, and were not successful in that regard. You're welcome to watch thosephx1138 said:So, for your next trick, how about casting him as an intellectual milquetoast instead of an iconic badass?
Oh yes, Room 222 premiered in 1969, and ended in 1974.phx1138 said:This post-dated OTL's "Room 222", doesn't it? (Somehow, I always got the impression there was a "blacker" than usual cast on that show. Or maybe I was just starting to notice...)
What can I say? I've warned you all before that I'm not very good with titles. But let's face it, the struggle for equal rights was never very subtle either.phx1138 said:I like the idea of this film...but subtle that title ain't. I have a feeling it would get bigger over time, & by the '90s-'00s, it would be seen as a very significant film.
I disagree - I always found that Nichols would shine whenever she got the chance to do anything the least bit interesting. This is still the performance of her life, don't get me wrong, but she's a fine actress when she's given the proper material and direction (as is everyone on Star Trek - yes, even Shatner).phx1138 said:Allowing for the character not getting much range, I was never terribly impressed with Nichols' acting, so this strikes me as a charity nom. Given the film, tho, not out of bounds.
Being a Bond Girl isn't a very demanding role, I'm afraid. Make it whomever has the right age and body type and was on the cover of Ebony magazine sometime in 1974-75.phx1138 said:Still Gloria Hendry, I presume, & not, say, Tamara Dobson?
In response to both of those questions: there's only one way to find out!phx1138 said:Too early for a reggae influence? (I'd be happy if radio never played "I Shot the Sheriff"...)
Allowing the music is more/less the same as OTL's Grease, this should be big, & the soundtrack pretty successful. (And "Grease" will still be the word.) Have you picked your leads? I'd be interested knowing. (I know it's way early, but I'm seeing Irene Cara & Gene Anthony Ray, somehow.)
Yes, I've seen that episode of One-Hit Wonderland, and it did inspire me, and you'll find out exactly how in due timeI should perhaps raise Todd in the Shadows' argument that blaxploitation had a crossover audience with kung fu films, as those were also action-focused and starring non-white casts.
Apparently, the abysmal production values were deliberate, as a further parody of Blaxploitation. Sounds like a cheap excuse to me, though.
It's already twice as long as the rest of the book...Brainbin said:Maybe that's why it's taking him so long to release The Last Dangerous Visions - he has to keep changing the preface every time he finds something new to rail against!
For anyone who fears this, if you haven't seen "S1mone", watch it! Even without the (notional) CGI star, it would be a cutting look at the Hollywood system.Brainbin said:I believe I subsequently made my own opinion on the matter crystal-clear Suffice it to say, I completely agree.
I'm not a regular at MA, so I haven't noticed...Brainbin said:Well, Memory Alpha is a fan wiki, and you'd think that they of all people would appreciate history (especially considering all the warring going on between their Star Wars brethren and their cruel master).
Kudos to the creators who don't make changes, given the chance. I can't recall, now, who it was, but I once read a preface where the writer says he was offered the chance to make corrections, and didn't, because he'd changed since then.Brainbin said:I might have said that it would be Spielberg himself, but at least he seems genuinely repentant about the changes that he made to E.T.
It was like he was channelling De, it really was. That was Oscar material. Tho I'll say, seeing Sylar as Spock was a bit neck-twisting. He, again, captured the character beautifully.Brainbin said:Karl Urban imitated him masterfully.
We're the ones having all the fun, so it hasn't exactly been hard.Brainbin said:Indeed we are! And I very literally could not have done it without you guys, so thank you all!
And cement his rep as the #1 badass in film a generation early?Brainbin said:gets to utter his favourite word (you know the one!) to his heart's content
I meant following it. IIRC, there was a 3d that bombed. There's also original material that could (& IMO should) have been adapted, rather than the fairly standard cop film junk that led to "Mr Tibbs". (Poitier deserved better, especially after "Heat".)Brainbin said:Are you talking about They Call Me MISTER Tibbs!? That was released ITTL.
Fair 'nuf. Just sayin'.Brainbin said:Well now, I'm not writing a Blaxploitation timeline
My recall, like the rest of me, is idiosyncratic... Make the right connections between neurons, bingo, I go from "star" to "seventh Beatle". Don't...Brainbin said:I'm a bit surprised that you didn't catch the reference in that name).
Oh, I'm thinking outside Blaxploitatin, here. Call it the "crazy vet" subgenre: "Seven-Ups", "Billy Jack" (more/less), & assorted others (none coming immediately to mind...).Brainbin said:They aren't crazed, though - they are righteous black men who wish to end the suffering of their Brothers by any means necessary.
Also easier for you not to have to change any?Brainbin said:Yes, 100% absolutely yes. That is definitely a safe assumption.
I wouldn't have been able to resist, either, tho IDK if I'd have come to Finney. I think I'd have gone to Daystrom, or put a spin on Ben O. Davis or somebody from the 99th.Brainbin said:Believe it or not, I did arrive at the name "Finney" organically. The first black military officer was named Flipper. And what's like a flipper? A fin! It was going to be Finn until I found the right first name (simple, preferably Biblical), and then I couldn't help but switch it over to Ben Finney
I"ve never even heard of them, I don't think... Which may explain why he doesn't do them as much. (One thing, tho: what was up with the kilt?)Brainbin said:There were three rather awful movies that attempted just that IOTL, and were not successful in that regard. You're welcome to watch those
TY.Brainbin said:Oh yes, Room 222 premiered in 1969, and ended in 1974.
A fair point. And it's possible the title could be referring to something in the film itself, with the obvious "subtext" sublimated in the story.Brainbin said:What can I say? I've warned you all before that I'm not very good with titles. But let's face it, the struggle for equal rights was never very subtle either.
Don't mistake me, either, I didn't dislike her, nor think she was a bad actress. I just can't think of anything where she really sticks in my memory, either.Brainbin said:I disagree - I always found that Nichols would shine whenever she got the chance to do anything the least bit interesting. This is still the performance of her life, don't get me wrong, but she's a fine actress when she's given the proper material and direction (as is everyone on Star Trek - yes, even Shatner).
Setting the bar that low, huh? I think I'd probably pick Tamara Dobson. Don't think Tyra or Iman were around yet.Brainbin said:Being a Bond Girl isn't a very demanding role, I'm afraid. Make it whomever has the right age and body type and was on the cover of Ebony magazine sometime in 1974-75.
You're such a tease.Brainbin said:In response to both of those questions: there's only one way to find out!
I've never actually seen Red Dwarf properly - my first real exposure (TV Tropes page - which left me mostly befuddled, actually - aside) was seeing the SFDebris reviews, back as they were first being uploaded onto YouTube. That, in turn, inspired me to watch bits and pieces of a few actual episodes (back when they were on YouTube), but I've never really sat down and decided to watch the show as a whole. Part of it is the Gilligan premise - I tend to avoid those until they get a definitive ending, so that I don't become invested and then get let down. And - let's face it - they're never going to get back home to Earth "for real", especially since Naylor seems to want to go on forever.
I disagree - I always found that Nichols would shine whenever she got the chance to do anything the least bit interesting. This is still the performance of her life, don't get me wrong, but she's a fine actress when she's given the proper material and direction (as is everyone on Star Trek - yes, even Shatner).
Kudos to the creators who don't make changes, given the chance. I can't recall, now, who it was, but I once read a preface where the writer says he was offered the chance to make corrections, and didn't, because he'd changed since then.
Don't let that stop you. Getting back to Earth isn't anywhere near as central to the plot of Red Dwarf as Gilligan's attempts to get off the island.
Yes--it's never really about getting home, because they pretty much all assume the human race is extinct anyway. Grant Naylor pitched it as "Stepford and Son on acid IIIIIN SPAAAAAACE" (yes, those are the actual words they used). Like a lot of British comedy, much of the humour comes from clash of classes. But IIIIIN SPAAAAAACE.