Rumsfeldia: Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears

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Wouldn't he also criticize the human rights abuses committed by Ryzhkov? Without Rumsfeld, Ryzhkov looks a lot worse.

OTL US criticizes the human rights policy of the PRC but that sure didn't stop the business deals going through

And human rights wise, was Rummy really worse than Ryzhkov or OTL PRC? Of course economically, he was way worse than TTL USSR or OTL PRC and those policies would lead to the death of millions in a second Civil War, but in terms of direct human rights violations, he seemed rather moderate, compared to the extreme cases like Hitler, Stalin or Mao (both ones).
 
OTL US criticizes the human rights policy of the PRC but that sure didn't stop the business deals going through

And human rights wise, was Rummy really worse than Ryzhkov or OTL PRC? Of course economically, he was way worse than TTL USSR or OTL PRC and those policies would lead to the death of millions in a second Civil War, but in terms of direct human rights violations, he seemed rather moderate, compared to the extreme cases like Hitler, Stalin or Mao (both ones).
What I meant is that even Rumsfeld's insanity couldn't distract from Ryzhkov's human rights record. Take him away, and Ryzhkov looks even worse.
 
Don't forget Cheney's vision of the future

It could still be...

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My own "Where are they know", news edition.

Mike Royko: I imagine he would have very colorful things to say about the Don of Illinois. In my canon, he popularized "Rumsfeldia", and called Ed Crane "Governor Potato Head".

Brian Williams

Dan Rather: (What became of him after CBS sacked him?)

Connie Chung

Geraldo Rivera

Glenn Beck

Casey Kasem

Linda Ellerbee

Peter Chernin

Bob Woodward

Carl Bernstein

Katherine Graham

Katie Couric

Andy Rooney

Morley Safer, Bob Simon, Scott Pelley, Lesley Stahl

Anderson Cooper

Lou Dobbs

Bernard Shaw

Helen Thomas (I bet Rummy would love to boot her out the door).

Gene Siskel

Roger Ebert (Has he escaped the loony bin?)

Christiane Amanpour
 
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Continuing with the topic of TTL Soviet media from my previous post - since I'm from former USSR, it'd be interesting for me to see how Soviet music would sound like in the world of Rumsfeldia, in the absence of OTL Perestroyka and the break-up of the Union, and continuing official censorship and ideological regulations. Here are my musings about it:

Drew wrote this on page 200:
4. Did the Soviet rock take off? TTL in 1980 there was a rock festival.
Both Suslov and Ryhzkov would have opposed this as western decadence and taken a strong stand against it. It probably exists underground, but gets swatted every so often by the KGB. The counter is an officially sanctioned movement of “traditional” musical expression which encompasses “patriotic themes” and “socialist ideals.”
Rock music in its usual Western form wouldn't be officially approved, but it would still influence musicians. The band Zemlyane is a good example of what would be probably allowed by TTL Soviet regulators. This song would probably be the official anthem of Soviet space program, or at the very least unofficial, just like in OTL.

Viktor Tsoy's music would probably exist underground and spread through unofficial channels, I think, or maaaaaaybe exist in a grey area like Vladimir Vysotsky's works in OTL - that depends on how permissive Soviet censors are in the late 1980s, but that's very unlikely. Aria, being heavy metal, would surely be frowned upon by officials - definitely underground.
Many other rock bands, like Gorky Park, would have the same status in TTL - this would be butterfly'd away.

Now, concerning other music - in OTL USSR in the early 1980s, officially approved music could be divided into two genres (besides things like children songs, classical music, etc). There was the formal stuff - songs glorifying the state ideology and the Communist Party, patriotic music and military marches. It was often played on formal occasions, like national holidays. In TTL, it wouldn't sound different from what was played in OTL.
also this and this

The other genre was informal, completely apolitical pop songs - typical stuff playing on the radio every day. They still had to pass censorship and be officially approved before appearing on Soviet media. I think such music would also be very much like in OTL. It might diverge somewhat in the mid-late 1980s with the slight loosening of media restrictions - musicians might take notice of Western European trends, and that would influence their music to some extent.
also this

After the late 1980s, the divergence becomes too strong - OTL's removal of ideological control during the late Perestroika obviously has no chance of happening in TTL USSR. Out of OTL's popular stuff from those times, I think some stuff by Mirage from 1989 like this song might exist in TTL and be somewhat identical to OTL - here it would be an example of creeping synthpop influence on Soviet pop music. They would still differ a lot from their OTL counterpart due to butterflies and continuing ideological control.
Their singer certainly wouldn't be wearing a leather jacket and a miniskirt in Ryzhkov's USSR.

As a result of firm state regulations, many other popular singers and bands from OTL, especially the ones post-1991, would not exist in TTL or be very different.

Among other genres, electronic music, specifically the kind performed by Jean-Michel Jarre and Didier Marouani would see a resurgence in mid-late 1980s due to Soviet space developments (it was always associated with space exploration here). Soviet musicians like the Zodiak band from Latvia would be active, and foreign musicians would be very much welcome. OTL Marouani went on a very successful concert tour across the USSR in 1983; in TTL, perhaps, Jean-Michel Jarre would be invited as well. That would also mean official vinyl releases by state-owned Melodiya label.

Foreign music: OTL Soviet censorship allowed foreign music based on three official principles - no "aggressiveness" (thus the absolute majority of rock music and metal was not permitted), no "sexuality" and no "commercialism", plus they banned anything that looked even slightly anti-Soviet.
Music from friendly countries was often allowed, unfriendly countries like the USA - not, unless they were very famous like Boney M or had communist views like Dean Read. We don't know how permissive TTL's Soviet ideological apparatus has become after MBA Communism reforms, but I suppose it could be extrapolated from OTL.
Stuff they would probably allow, if they are just as restrictive as in OTL early 1980s:
  • Romantic ballads like this song by Joe Dassin;
  • Italian pop music like the songs frequently played at Sanremo Festival (example), possibly other similar performers if they fit into ideological guidelines;
  • Electronic music like the kind I've described above;
  • Some other famous European pop bands like ABBA, depending on the opinion of state organs - some musicians would not be allowed, some might be politely asked not to perform certain songs in the USSR, like OTL Boney M, who were explicitly barred from singing 'Rasputin' at concerts in the Soviet Union by the authorities in 1978;
  • From late 1980s and onwards, maybe someone like Enya - she would probably be labelled an Irish folk singer because of songs like this.
 
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Just a question: Did Portugal join the Warsaw Pact after its revolution? Being very far from other Eastern bloc states, does it follow Moscow bottom line, or does it have its own independent policies? Is it more liberal than the USSR
 
Joe Dassin died of a heart attack in August 1980. He would fit well with that TL tone (melancholia)

"Si tu t'appelle mélancolie" is a powerful balad - simple lyrics, but emotion up to 11
https://www.google.fr/?client=firefox-b#q=si+tu+t'appelles+mélancolie

There was a lot of low quality singers in France in the 70's, but I rank Dassin well above the average.
Personally, I think this would be the main music theme of Rumsfeldia if it was a film.

Should I continue writing Soviet-related fluff? I wonder if I'm not clogging up the thread with these posts.
If that's okay, the next post will consist of a few things about Soviet computers and software of the 1980s-early 1990s.
 
Personally, I think this would be the main music theme of Rumsfeldia if it was a film.

Should I continue writing Soviet-related fluff? I wonder if I'm not clogging up the thread with these posts.
If that's okay, the next post will consist of a few things about Soviet computers and software of the 1980s-early 1990s.

Hey, go for it. You can't ever have too much Soviet pop culture, and it helps fills the gaps in-between Drew's updates.
 
Just a question: Did Portugal join the Warsaw Pact after its revolution? Being very far from other Eastern bloc states, does it follow Moscow bottom line, or does it have its own independent policies? Is it more liberal than the USSR
My best guess they are not part of the Warsaw pact.
First, there is little that the Warsaw pact can do to help them in case of a hypothetical conventional war in Europe, other then avenging them. So, no Soviet troops deployments in Portugal.
They use Portugese port facilities and air bases though.
Second, putting Soviet troops or nuclear weapons onto Portuguese soil would really make the NATO powers like France and Britain needlessly jumpy.
So, my best guess they are like Cuba or North Korea, under Soviet protection, but not officially a part the WP.
Speaking of Cuba, what happened to Soviet installations there like the Lourdes SIGINT Station? Did the Soviets pack their things and leave right before the US invaded?

Also, Drew, where did Kiang Liu, the author of "The Years of the Skull" end up? Pro-Soviet PRC, North Korean occupied zone, Taiwanese enclave or abroad?
 
Another big-ass Soviet-related post:
TTL Soviet operating systems and personal computers of 1980s-early 1990s. Large and not quite related to the topic of the thread (we're here for politics, war, and grimdarkness, after all) so I'll put it in spoilers.
Most of it relies on several assumptions, which weren't covered by Drew:
  1. ZX Spectrum - Drew mentioned Sinclair's tricycle here, so his company does exist. My assumption is that he released the Spectrum several years later than in OTL, and it would also be bought by Amstrad, like in OTL
  2. Motorola processors like 68000 aren't widespread or simply don't exist.
  3. IBM PC was also sold in Western Europe and Canada, but didn't quite take off there, and the revelation of TRW's spying on user activities wiped out its popularity there. Because of TRW and its software restrictions, IBM PC did not become a template for other PCs in Western Europe like in OTL. Ironically, it would be one in TTL USSR.
  4. CoCom broke down along with NATO in 1983-1984, and Soviet Union could eventually acquire advanced production tech from Western countries.
  5. UNIX exists in TTL.
Also:
  1. Soviet leadership eventually warmed up to the use of PCs at the workplace - in the 1990s, they are often used in accounting and other office work, replacing mechanical calculating machines and typewriters where it's possible. However, they aren't widespread outside the well-off parts of the Soviet Union like European part of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic republics and Georgia.
  2. Soviet industry could successfully modernize after the end of CoCom, resulting in a rise in manufacturing quality by early-mid 1990s. Then again, a good part of their success is probably because the rest of the world is in a pretty awful state. Also, I assume the USSR is comparatively well-off in mid-1990s.

PK-DOS

ПК-ДОС (PK-DOS, PC-DOS) is a Soviet disk operating system, designed for the so-called “IBM-derivative” family of personal computers mostly used in the USSR and Eastern Europe. It's a heavily modified offshoot of IBM and TRW's TRI-DOS operating system.

Its creation was a result of Soviet attempts to reverse-engineer the IBM PC in the early 1980s. The Soviets took note of the development of PCs in America and Western Europe, and although officials were highly sceptical about their usefulness in Soviet conditions, they decided to maintain technological parity. IBM was chosen because Soviet intelligence could retrieve the new computer easily; furthermore, Soviet industry already had experience of reverse-engineering IBM products – the ES EVM series of mainframe computers were based off IBM’s System/360.

In 1982, KGB First Chief Directorate’s Line X procured several IBM PCs with TRI-DOS operating system. Although its processor, the 8088, and several other elements of the hardware were easily copied, TRI-DOS proved to be a tough nut to crack for Soviet engineers, due to TRW’s anti-tamper mechanisms designed to hamper modification of the OS. In early 1983, Soviet programmers made a very disturbing discovery in TRI-DOS’ code – a backdoor allowing easy access to the user files and logging mechanisms recording user’s activities. KGB was alarmed, suspecting someone tipped off the American counter-intelligence and that CIA bugged the OS, expecting the Soviets to use it. The first “IBM PC-compatible” machines had a simple BASIC assembler instead of an actual OS.

PK-DOS was developed by NII EVM (Scientific Research Institute of Electronic Computing Machines), based in Minsk, Belarusian SSR. Intended to have the functionality of TRI-DOS, but without its spying mechanisms and limitations, it significantly differed from TRW’s design, as Soviet programmers had to go around numerous corporate restrictions integrated in the original code. Due to complexity of the code, implementing both parts of original design and Soviet code, early versions of the OS had plenty of bugs – it would take several years to fix them. Furthermore, despite similarities like the almost identical file system and file extensions, many programs written for TRI-DOS could not run on PK-DOS without being ported, and vice versa, thus creating the term "IBM-derivative".

PK-DOS 1.0 was released in late 1985 along with ES PEVM 1840 personal computers - both were notorious for their technical issues. Just like TRI-DOS, early PK-DOS could only work on specific hardware configurations of ES PEVM. NII EVM would fix many critical flaws in 1986; however many users preferred to use third-party modifications like Alpha-DOS. A mean-spirited Soviet programmer joke from 1987 claimed that when an IBM programmer loudly complained about how nothing could be worse than living in the rapidly disintegrating US, the devil appeared before him and said he could prove him wrong. “Whatever, anything is better than this!” – the programmer replied. Shortly afterwards, he found himself transported to the Soviet Union and was forced to fix PK-DOS for the rest of his life.

Version 2.0, released in 1988, had very few shortcomings of the previous versions and was quite stable, resulting in more jokes about imprisoned American programmers. In 1992, the so-called ‘international’ version 3.0 was rolled out, featuring English, German, French, Italian, Spanish and other localizations – it was shipped with some Soviet computers exported into Western Europe. The export version was branded “Elektronika PC-DOS”.

Even though a significant number of users used PK-DOS in the early 1990s, its reputation as “unreliable” stuck among many people in the USSR and Eastern Europe. In Western Europe and Canada, it wasn’t used by many due to the stigma of being related to TRI-DOS, besides a group of enthusiasts, who nicknamed it “Russian DOS” and “DOSki”. Soviet state organizations and the military also did not trust the system, and it wasn’t used in state institutions working with sensitive data.

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Alpha-DOS, a modification of PK-DOS, running on an ES PEVM computer (modern emulation)

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Volkov Commander, a typical PK-DOS file manager


TRW vs. USSR:

American intelligence found out about Soviet acquisition of IBM PC by complete accident. One day in 1983, analysis of recent Soviet media publications by the CIA produced an interesting find – a report about electronics production in Belarusian SSR, broadcast in the evening news program Vremya, contained images of an IBM PC-like computer, running what appeared to be a heavily modified TRI-DOS. TRW touted their facilities and systems as being fully secure, and the find was completely unexpected.

TRW made a very big fuss about the Soviets copying their operating system, demanding Rumsfeld to tighten up information security. They made a press release, calling for stricter measures against Soviet industrial espionage. An anecdote claims that TRW even tried to sue PK-DOS’ developers, mailing summons papers into the USSR. After a while, a reply came to their headquarters, full of various insults of their code, followed by an informative pointer about the place they should shove their patent claims into.

The White House would later on use fears of Soviet espionage, driven up by loyal mass media, as a justification for putting computer networks under government control. IBM would even claim that Soviet spies were planting malware into the computers of ordinary users, and only frequent check-ups by certified IBM and TRW technicians could prevent it.

“Soviet viruses? In my computer?
It’s more likely than you think.


Protect yourself and your data against Communist plots with our maintenance service"
IBM ad, 1984


There are credible evidence that the 1985 anonymous leak of technical information about the inner workings of TRI-DOS, its backdoor and spying mechanisms, which led to a big scandal significantly tarnishing the reputation of IBM and TRW in Western Europe, Canada and Japan, and the ban on IBM PC sales in several European countries, was organized by the Soviets. Most of the information provided in these papers could only be obtained through thorough disassembling and reverse-engineering of the operating system – something that only the creators of PK-DOS could have done.


Personal computers:
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ES PEVM 1840, one of the first Soviet IBM-derivative PCs

The first IBM-derivative ES PEVM computers (named to maintain contingency with ES EVM mainframes, also based off IBM’s work) looked cutting edge by Soviet standards, but were hampered by poor manufacturing quality and technical flaws, as Soviet engineers had to create their own hardware and software and use them with IBM-derived ones. Furthermore, Soviet industry had troubles producing many parts for the new computers.

The KGB were highly paranoid about hidden American kill switches and what not – at one point during the reverse engineering process, engineers had to spend about a month figuring out whether a working IBM PC sends radio signals to Washington D.C. or not. Furthermore, as popular apocryphal story goes, the engineers were tasked to produce an armoured case for the new computer that would be protected from tampering and EMP and would not let any signals out, just to be sure. The finished computer reportedly weighed more than 45 kilograms and couldn’t be carried through ordinary doors.

Many PCs used in the mid-1980s, like the DVK series of computers and the first accessible Soviet home computer Elektronika BK, were PDP-11-compatible, as its architecture was more reliable compared to IBM PC derivatives. DVK and other similar personal computers would still be used in early-mid 1990s.

Soviet PC manufacturing was almost scrapped in 1984 by Ryzhkov, who thought developing domestic PCs was a waste of time and money compared to developing mainframes and supercomputers. Representatives of several Soviet research institutes including NII EVM argued that PCs could be used for “small-scale” calculations where using larger mainframes would be infeasible. The KGB pointed at TRI-DOS’ backdoor and noted that importing foreign technology would make the Soviet Union vulnerable to such machinations. Ultimately, Ryzhkov changed his mind and financing resumed, although most state financing went to supercomputers, like the Elbrus-3 project.

Obviously, back in 1984 there was no talk of making home computers for ordinary citizens. In 1986, as ZX Spectrum gained popularity in Western Europe, the magazine ‘Radio’ published assembly instructions for a simple DIY system “Radio 86RK”, starting a PC boom among enthusiasts. Afterwards, Elektronika BK was put into production, followed by other models. Many cooperatives and workshops across the Soviet Union also produced their own custom models. Still, home computers were rare and quite expensive, and the required tinkering and tweaks limited their use to experienced radio enthusiasts and amateur programmers.

With the break-up of NATO, the resulting collapse of CoCom and continuously improving relations with Western European countries, Soviet industry could adopt Western production technologies and close the ever-present gap more easily instead of relying on espionage, and that especially impacted electronics production. The quality of available computer parts steadily improved, and by early-mid 1990s, Soviet PCs turned from inferior copies into well-made, if slightly obsolete, computers. Soviet microprocessor technology also slowly but steadily advanced from simple copying to advanced original designs, like Elbrus CPU architecture.

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Radio 86RK

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Elektronika BK

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ES-1863


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Istra 4816, a typical IBM-derivative PC of the early 1990s

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Elektronika 901, also known as a "suitcase PC", 1994.


ДЕМОС

DEMOS (meaning "Dialogovaya Edinaya Mobilnaya Operatsionnaya Sistema" (Диалоговая Единая Мобильная Операционная Система, ДЕМОС), or "Interactive Unified Portable Operating System") is a family of Unix-like operating systems developed in the Soviet Union. It was derived from BSD.

Created in 1983-1986 for PDP-11-compatible SM-4 computers by a team of programmers from Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy, the first version of DEMOS was later ported to various other platforms, including IBM-derivative PCs, where it would serve as an alternative to PK-DOS. Numerous variations of the OS existed up until the very late 1980s. In 1987, the state chose DEMOS as the main OS for specialized financial computers in accounting offices of state institutions. All branches were gradually merged into one. In 1990, the newly created DEMOS Developing Firm released DEMOS 2.0. Over the years, DEMOS would spread to almost all office computers of other state offices, and later on, even the Soviet government, practically becoming an official OS of the Soviet Union.

Soviet officials chose DEMOS, because unlike early PK-DOS, it was more reliable and wasn’t based on TRW’s code. Some later versions of DEMOS used in offices have basic monitoring software, which is used to detect employees wasting working time on things like the notorious time-killer Tetris. Government and military versions of DEMOS use data encryption systems and are designed to prevent disassembling of the system code, ironically basing off earlier Soviet efforts to disassemble TRI-DOS.

Due to its status, up until the creation of specialized encrypted variants, the Soviet state actively tried to prevent DEMOS copies from being taken out of the Soviet Union. Later export variants bundled with several PCs have quite limited functionality compared to ‘professional’ variants.

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Demos Commander, a file manager for DEMOS operating systems

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The developers of DEMOS, 1988. They were awarded the Prize of the Soviet Council of Ministers for their work.

ZX Spectrum:

ZX Spectrum, a 8-bit personal computer by Sinclair, was released in the UK in 1984. It would quickly become one of the most popular home computers in Western Europe.

Spectrum had a cult following in Poland, and from there, it spread to USSR, where it gained popularity for its simplicity and ease of use compared to Soviet home computers. After KGB investigation concluded the Spectrums had no backdoors or embedded harmful software, they turned a blind eye to it. Many cooperatives produced their own clones, resulting in the large amounts of “ZX-compatible” computers. In the early 1990s, they were the most popular kind of home computers in the USSR, and were frequently used for entertainment instead of specific tasks.

Amstrad, who bought the rights to Sinclair computers in 1987, would officially release several ZX Spectrum variants in the USSR in the early 1990s. They were quite expensive compared to clones.

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Magic 06, a typical ZX-compatible computer

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IS-DOS, an early 1990s Soviet-made operating system for ZX-compatible computers

Overall, in early 1990s there are several widely used groups of PCs in the Soviet Union:

- PDP-11-compatible computers, now mostly running DEMOS. Despite showing signs of obsolescence, they are still used in some places where “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” altitude reigns supreme.

- IBM-derivative computers running PK-DOS. Despite the bad reputation, it’s a good OS at this point. PK-DOS, being older, has more available software than DEMOS, including games.

- IBM-derivative computers running DEMOS. Most software developed for DEMOS are office applications and very specific programs, like the ones for the above-mentioned financial computers. Like early Windows NT systems from our timeline, this OS is specifically tailored for the workplace, although there are enough bored programmers ready to port simple games to it.

- Computers using Soviet Elbrus CPUs and running DEMOS – at this point these things are quite rare; they aren’t compatible with PK-DOS. Elbrus CPUs are designed for the government and the military and are intended to fully replace IBM-derived CPUs in official use in the future.

- ZX Spectrum-compatible PCs, widely used at home, especially for gaming. These things are often running Soviet modifications of Sinclair BASIC and custom operating systems like IS-DOS.

- Possibly a few other European PCs like Acorn Archimedes, if they exist in this timeline (?)

Heated arguments like "Which OS is better: PK-DOS or DEMOS?", "Will DEMOS make PK-DOS obsolete?", "Is PK-DOS unreliable?" and "Do programs run better on PK-DOS or DEMOS?" are a favourite pastime of many Soviet programmers.

Most newer Soviet PCs of early 1990s resemble computers of OTL's mid-late 1980s - such is the sad state of affairs regarding the overall level of technological development, not only in the Union, but elsewhere. ZX Spectrum would probably be used until late 1990s in TTL, for example.
Supercomputers, software and networking coming soon.
 
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I wonder if Larry McDonald is still alive. He seemed to be quite Rumsfeldian.

I am also keen to be given more details on the membership and structure of the Christian Values Movement. Ever since it was first conceived for the TTL 1980 election, it has been quite a shadowy party. There wasn't even clear leadership in 1980. Although the Fellowship ultimately ends up at the top of CV pyramid, I would be curious to know if they dominate CV thinking or direct its rank-and-file membership.
 
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bookmark95

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They'd see OTL as a harmonious tolerant utopia considering that murdering blacks because "they're not obeying us" is something that is happening ITTL.

What that comment sarcastic or do you believe the post-CV government is going to address racism?

Drew said their persecution was less about race than it was about politics.

Black Americans are voting Democrat and WTP, and the CV are attacking anyone voting for "heathens". They would happily accept any black person who was CV (I bet Clarence Thomas will be the African-American) quisling. But DC's black population is certainly no bastion of conservatism. Thus, they become the first victims of Coe, alongside Republicans.
 
What that comment sarcastic or do you believe the post-CV government is going to address racism?

Drew said their persecution was less about race than it was about politics.

Black Americans are voting Democrat and WTP, and the CV are attacking anyone voting for "heathens". They would happily accept any black person who was CV (I bet Clarence Thomas will be the African-American) quisling. But DC's black population is certainly no bastion of conservatism. Thus, they become the first victims of Coe, alongside Republicans.

I believe the post-CV will definitely drive hard for racial equality. But even with that effort resulting ITTL 2016's race relations improving faster than our own, it will still be from a much lower point. We may not perceive what is happening to the blacks of DC as genocide, but when the first images of the "cleansing of the heathens" emerge, what do you think Britain and France are going to call it? Because portraying the fanatics in "Christopolis" as genocidal can only help towards intervention.
 
I believe the post-CV will definitely drive hard for racial equality. But even with that effort resulting ITTL 2016's race relations improving faster than our own, it will still be from a much lower point. We may not perceive what is happening to the blacks of DC as genocide, but when the first images of the "cleansing of the heathens" emerge, what do you think Britain and France are going to call it? Because portraying the fanatics in "Christopolis" as genocidal can only help towards intervention.

I think at this point, speculation about how the world will look in the "Nasty '90s" (as it will likely be called) is too foggy for accuracy. This is primarily because both the structure and nature of the Christian Values Party and the composition of the eventual dominionist regime remain unknown or obscure at this point. Given how the Denton Administration has been compared with the brief Kerensky regime in Russia (a brief interlude between one tyranny and another where a moderating figure tried unsuccessfully to dilute and appease the growing extremism around him), I imagine that the parallels were to continue, the theocratic regime could potentially suffer from a "Thermidorian Reaction". In Phillip Crane's Anatomy of a Revolution, he describes how most revolutions tend to follow four stages: the fall of the ancien regime, the brief and fragile regime of moderate reformers, the triumph of the radicals over the moderates, and the Thermidorian Reaction. Thermiodorian Reaction refers to a period when the revolutionary fervour of the radicals exhausts itself. Due to how the radicals put "ideology before reason" (as Drew would say), the populace soon becomes weary as the utopia-on-earth promised by the radicals both fails to materialize and generally makes the population even more destitute. Consequently, a tyrant of some kind (i.e. Napoleon, Cromwell, Stalin) leads a Thermiodorian Reaction against the original revolutionaries (i.e. Robespierre, Trotsky) to establish a more ideologically-relaxed but more centralized rule. Be that the case, the CSA may have its own Thermiodor before the regime collapses/falls to foreign intervention.

Given how Drew mentioned in the Rummyhorror update that even the racial extremists (KKK, Black Panthers, and Jewish Defense League) are collaborating to bring down the latter-day Roundheads, I imagine that racial lines will blur heavily in a post-CV America (if there is one that is). I suspect that such a country may resemble the vision of intellectual Michael Lind's The Next American Nation. He argues that American history can be divided into three general periods. The first, the "Anglo-American Nation", he describes as a collaboration between the Northern and Southern plutocracy to keep blacks in bondage. The second period, Lind terms "Euro-America", which describes the post-Reconstruction Era when the oligarchy and the white working class collaborated to keep blacks as second-class citizens. Lind describes the contemporary era (1995) as a third era, where racial quotas are used as token offerings to minority groups to appease them and ensure the ruling oligarchy is not generally disturbed. He envisions a fourth period where the New Deal Liberal (he distinguishes them from "left-liberals" (i.e. Henry Wallace and George McGovern) who created the racial quota system that gives minorities the illusion of economic/political participation) vision of a colour-blind American nationalism is allowed to prevail.
 
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