Populist Presidents

Who was the best (some possible Populist Presidents)?

  • William J. Bryan (Later Part of Career)

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • Eugene V. Debs

    Votes: 11 30.6%
  • Robert M. LaFollette, Sr.

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • John L. Lewis

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Huey P. Long

    Votes: 11 30.6%
  • Adlai E. Stevenson (III)

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • Thomas Watson

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • James B. Weaver

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Leonard Wood

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other: Explain Below

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36

Grey Wolf

Donor
CMC

Walter_Kaufmann said:
No, a Populist war hero, IMHO, would probably have not been one of the higher-ranking generals but probably a no-name who won a chest full of medals. People like to be able to see an example of a regular person who do extraordinary things.

Goddamn Dr. Strangelove. If that's what your thinking of, try to block that from your mind. That movie (did they make a book?) did more to harm the reputation of Curtis LeMay that anything. LeMay was, in actuality, a rather nice person, and he was always in control of himself. LeMay was a war hero (WWII) and one of the main reasons why we did not have a WWIII (Strategic Air Command was his brain child). He certainly WAS NOT Buck Turgidson in Dr. Strangelove.

Am thinking of that novel after the Cuban Missile Crisis becomes war...completely forgot its name but it was recentish and well reviewed. Theres a character in charge of SAC clearly supposed to be le May

Grey Wolf
 
Oh, you're thinking of Resurrection Day by Brendon DuBois (God there's a lot of bad crap about General LeMay out there). I enjoyed the novel but I don't believe LeMay would ever have done this in real life. In OTL, in the same circumstances, yes, LeMay argued for bombing Cuba, but, always a good soldier, LeMay followed his orders.

It's basically the same situation Douglas MacArthur found himself in in Korea.
 

Straha

Banned
now to bump it up to the top and NOT look like spamming

politics would become a 2 party system with the populists being for labor and the republicans being pro-capitolist. Both parties wouldn't try to focus themselves on social issues in their platform and only take the issues as they come. The religious right would be the religious left(in economics but in social policy they're the same). The reasoning behind the socially conservative-economically liberal and socially lbieral-economically conservative splits is because the rivh tend to be socially liberal and alot of the blue collar unionized workers have liberal economic views and conservative social views.
 
1916 Republican Victory leads to 1920 populist victory

In 1916 Hughes wins after 25,000 votes shift in California because of a massive advertising campaign that the US needs to arm in case either side wins the war and decides to do something to the US with all those experienced troops. The American public buys that, since a lot of them were once citizens of those European countries and know how their governments think.
The Germans discontinue the sub war because they know the Republicans (the 1916 Republicans, no resemblance to the 2004 version) are itching to start a war. The Republicans declare war without a causus belli over the objections of the Democrats and Populists. The US subsidizes the French and British by taking over their war debts to the US, bailing out the Morgan interests. They also institute a draft. Neither action is at all popular.
The Germans figure they're in trouble, so they offer the Russians a good peace treaty if they throw out the monarchy and go socialist, and the Russians take it. The German army heads west a year ahead of schedule. Italy is offered and signs a good treaty to gain the Tyrol, allowing the AustroHungarian troops to concentrate against the Entente armies in Salonika and occupy it. The French finally sue for peace after the collapse of the evacuation under aerial attack, and it's all over.
Both the Democrats and the Republicans are in deep shit with the American people. The Populist party candidate is a military veteran from the Spanish American war who had opposed the US entry into WWI, but had campaigned for the Republicans before the 1916 election on a rearming America basis. He gets only 40% of the vote, but that's more than enough considering that the Republicans and Democrats are mostly campaigning against each other. He also runs a lot of congressional and state legislative candidates and they get elected for the same reason. This gives him the clout to get several amendments passed.
The first amendment is to let women vote. That gives him victory in the next election. The second amendment is to let black people vote in the south. That loses him a lot of votes in the south, which goes solidly democratic, but with only 20% of the US population that doesn't count for much. The northern Democrats go Populist and give him 60% of the vote in 60% of the states.
The blacks give him their votes in the north and the south, but it's the north that counts, especially since one of the populist platform planks is limited immigration, which makes a lot of southern blacks move north for the jobs that would have been taken by immigrants. The income tax is used solely to pay off the European war bonds, and is only levied on the rich, mostly because they were the ones who got their war bonds bailed out. Not that it stops them from complaining.
The Europeans have a peace of exhaustion. No communists take power, but socialist parties are important everywhere, especially in German, France, England, Russia, Italy, and AustriaHungary. The minor powers are slowly pressured by threats of revolution with implicit support from the great powers. The borders are unchanged, and stay that way. Democracy and socialist ideology guarantee that minorities are treated decently.
Japan chose the wrong side in the war and is explicitly contained, losing the Chinese and Korea territories. They are less susceptible to socialist revolutions but are isolated diplomatically. They leave the world stage as a military power and concentrate on commercial success. Successfully.
 
Walter_Kaufmann said:
No, a Populist war hero, IMHO, would probably have not been one of the higher-ranking generals but probably a no-name who won a chest full of medals. People like to be able to see an example of a regular person who do extraordinary things.
What about President Audie Murphy? He was the most decorated sodier of World War II. He could have been just as easily sucked into the political world rather than the world of acting.
 
No doubt, the greatest in terms of contributions to history (good and bad) - Andrew Jackson. The picture of muddy booted frontiersmen in the whitehouse is to me the ultimate 'populism'.
 

Straha

Banned
If the populists take power, the Conservative Democrats leave the party in the period 1897-1901 instead of 1972-94. The USSC votes down most of the Populist agenda and the supreme Court packing Crisis takes place four decades early. TR becomes a Democrat.

OK. 45 States at this point. Presume they push through the remaining 3. 48 states. Takes 2/3rds in Congress which they are unlikely to have. So the alternative is 3/4ths of the states asking for a new constitutional convention. New England was solidly Republican so that's six states who will not vote for it. The MidAtlantic states were not good Populist ground and labor was not firmly part of the Bryan coalition. So we are up to 9 no states. Presume Bryan between his two parties can bring in 11 Dixie states, 5 out of six on the border (everybody but Deleware), 8 Mountian States, and 4 Great Plains = 28. Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin are farm - industrial mixes but lean towards the populist and progressive side. If you give Bryan these three plus the two farming / lumber states of the northwest you get to 33. He would need 3 more out of California, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and Michigan. It would have been very tough and the same courts would then have nitpicked minor discrepancies in the state by state results.
 
Mind if I use any of this information in my Industrialist for President Timeline? BTW, shouldn't Wallace or Townsend be on here?
 
Top