Pan-West Germanic-Empire in an alternate no-HRE scenario

Here is a refined map of my proposal of a pan-West Germanic Empire in an alternate scenario where the HRE did not exist:


Basically the idea behind it is that the HRE is not revived in the 8th century and the Italian affairs remain peripheral for the Frankish dynasties. As relevant highlights:

- North West Francia remains attached to the Germanic core along the Rhine, meaning that it stays more Germanized and Frankish/Oeil bilingual.
- Romance-speaking Aquitaine develops into an independent kingdom.
- Normans do not settle in Neustria, but pre-extant Neustrian Saxon settlement is enhanced by further Saxon migration promoted by Aachen. These Neustrian Saxons would engage along with the Franks in the conquest of Anglo-Saxon Britain in order to expell the Scandinavians from there. Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Cumbria manage to get independent and form a United Kingdom with Ireland in the 15th century.
- The Eastern Roman Empire recovers in a stronger way from the 8th-9th centuries crisis and it does not fall to the Turks or other invaders. It is widely recognized as the only Roman Empire, preventing the West to revive any alternate Roman Imperial title.
- The Magyars fail to settle Pannonia permanently. Pannonia becomes an area of mixed Germanic/Slavic settlement along with other small minorities (Magyars, Turks, Mongols...). The Turks manage to raid some parts of Eastern Europe, but do not form any political entity.
- Russia or any analogue Slavic Empire fails to form because of the aggressive expansion of the Muslim Khanate of Kazan.
- There is no Great Schism, but different Western Nicene and Eastern Nicene adscriptions based on the different rites and hierarchies. There is also no Reformation.
- A Standard (West) Germanic language starts to develop in the 11th century for internal commercial purpose and gradually replaces most of the West Germanic dialects, including Frisian, Old English, Low Frankish and later the Wendish Slavic/Germanic and Baltic/Germanic creoles in the East. By the 21th century only a few dialects (Hollandic, Alemannic, Bavarian...) survive along with the standard official language.
- The Frankish Kingdom convert into an official Germanic Empire in 1282 after a Compromise with the Papacy, where the new Emperor holding the additional title of 'Protector of Rome' (but not Roman Emperor).
- The Old Empire (1282-1774) fails to form a centralized entity, with many Imperial Dominions (territories under almost-direct rule of Aachen) mixed with a myriad of semi-independent duchies (Bavaria, Swabia...), sub-kingdoms (Lombardy, Bohemia-Silesia, Burgundy...), free cities, oligarchic-ruled cantons, vassal entities etc. This collection of polities would be not centralized and homogenized until the Revolutions.
- The old absolutist Empire transitions into a constitutional, parliamentary and democratic one through two Revolutions (1774-1792 and 1806-1815). The First is more focused on dismantling the local minor aristocratic/clerical power and homogenize the different entities of the Empire into modern provinces; the Second is more focused on fighting external powers like Sweden or Venice (which is occupied) and acquiring the Papal possessions outside Central Italy (Monastic States in the Baltic, Avignon etc.).
- The 'Romantic' Revolutionaries revive some long-lost tribal Germanic entities like Herulland, Gepidia, Warnia, Rugia or Vandalia for naming some provinces of new creaion where some Germanic-speaking population (with controversial tribal affiliation) live. In 1892 a popular pseudo-scientific book is published where the Germanic-speaking population of the Empire is divided in 20 Germanic tribes, some of real direct heritage (Franks, Saxons, Bavarians...), other reconstructed (Gepids, Vandals...), other of new ethnogenesis (Prussians, Pomeranians...) and other of mixed or controversial origin (Jutes, Rugians...).
- The Empire is not very focused on overseas colonization, which is highly monopolized by the Spanish Empire and the United Kingdom of Gaelic Britain and Ireland. Their few colonies in the Americas are lost after the Revolutions.
 
How did the borders of Dalmatia end up as they did in your timeline? The borders you show are a result of quite a specific set of circumstances that are hard to replicate especially with the backstory you provided. :)
 
That's so hard because there are so many circumstances in each region that the only way to achieve something like this is in the modern era.
Due to feudalism the tendency for Europe in the middle ages is always decentralizing government.
 
How did the borders of Dalmatia end up as they did in your timeline? The borders you show are a result of quite a specific set of circumstances that are hard to replicate especially with the backstory you provided. :)

That's so hard because there are so many circumstances in each region that the only way to achieve something like this is in the modern era.
Due to feudalism the tendency for Europe in the middle ages is always decentralizing government.

Please, consider that the borders of the map as they would be in the 21st century.

Obviously during the Middle Ages they would be more complex, but after the two Revolutions, they would be simplified (as it happened in France, but not in such an extreme way). Regarding Dalmatia, this province belonged to Venice until 1815 when the Republic was occupied. The rest of territories (Kotor, the Greek islands...) was ceded to the ERE in order to fulfill a treaty of peace with that superpower at the end of the Second Revolution.
 
Regarding Dalmatia, this province belonged to Venice until 1815 when the Republic was occupied. The rest of territories (Kotor, the Greek islands...) was ceded to the ERE in order to fulfill a treaty of peace with that superpower at the end of the Second Revolution.
If as you say ERE recovered better from the 9th century crisis how did it come to pass that Venice broke off from imperial authority? How, when or why was an imperial theme of Dalmatia acquired by Venice? How did Venice expand into the interior again a consolidated power if it happened before said power was forced to retreat by a greater power, even then the borders of Dalmatia are unlikely to look as they look on your map.

A strong and functioning ERE means the Venetian thalassocracy on the Adriatic is extremely unlikely which in turn would mean no control of the east Adriatic coast. :)
 
If as you say ERE recovered better from the 9th century crisis how did it come to pass that Venice broke off from imperial authority? How, when or why was an imperial theme of Dalmatia acquired by Venice? How did Venice expand into the interior again a consolidated power if it happened before said power was forced to retreat by a greater power, even then the borders of Dalmatia are unlikely to look as they look on your map.

A strong and functioning ERE means the Venetian thalassocracy on the Adriatic is extremely unlikely which in turn would mean no control of the east Adriatic coast. :)

Wait, wait...one thing is to recover better from the 9th crisis in order to prevent things like Manzikert etc. and another thing is to become strong enough to rebound the dominance in the Adriatic. These are two levels of 'remaining strong'.

Even if the ERE had recovered better, the continued pressure of Arabs, Turks, Mongols?, etc. etc. in the East would have made almost impossible for the Empire to remain also stronger in the Italian/Adriatic sphere in the long term, so it is absolutely feasible for Venice to thrive there. Maybe not for capturing Crete or Rhodes, but for sure Dalmatia and maybe the Ionian islands.
 
In this TL, 'Germanic' refers only to West Germanic (and some East Germanic remnants, like Crimean Goths) speaking peoples, as Northern Germanic like Danes or Swedish are classified as 'Nordic'. Germanic and Nordic are tipped as sister branches inside the 'Greater Germanic' linguistic family.

Germanic tribes and sub-tribes (as per the 1892 Robert Bach's pseudo-scientific classification)
NOTE: SGL = Standard Germanic Language (created in the 11th centuty; grammar standardized since the 15th century)

1. ANGLES: Real heritage tribe, established in Britain since the 5th century. The original Angles from the Jutlandic peninsula are considered extinct.
1.1. Western Angles: Germanic-speaking population of West England. They formerly spoke the Western dialects of Old English, but they adopted the SGL since the 12th-13th centuries, as the Anglic merchants were the first interested in adopting it after the Frankish conquest of the island.
1.2. Eastern Angles: Germanic-speaking population of East England. They formerly spoke the Eastern dialects of Old English, but they adopted the SGL since the 12th century, being the first ones to adopt it outside its Rhenish core.
1.3. Mercian Angles: Germanic-speaking population of Southumbria, also known as Mercia in Latin. They formerly spoke some of the Northern dialects of Old English, but they adopted the SGL since the 12th-13th centuries, as the Anglic merchants were the first interested in adopting it after the Frankish conquest of the Anglo-Saxon Britain.
1.4. Northumbrian Angles: Germanic-speaking population of Northumbria. Considered a hybrid branch, as the Northern Angles mixed with Scandinavian population there, and it is believed they spoke a Nordic/Germanic creole for some time, until they adopted the SGL by the 14th century, being the last Anglic population to abandon their original dialect.

2. SAXONS: Real heritage tribe from Northern Germany.
2.1. Northern Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of most of Lower Saxony and western and southern Holstein. They formerly spoke the Northern Saxon dialect, but they adopted the SGL since the 13th-14th centuries.
2.2. Western Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of Westphalia, parts of Drenthe and some northern cantons of Hesse. They formerly spoke the Western Saxon dialect, but they adopted the SGL since the 13th-14th centuries.
2.3. Eastern Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of Eastphalia, New Saxony and some parts of Upper Saxony and Lusatia. They formerly spoke the Eastern Saxon dialect, but they adopted the SGL since the 14th-15th centuries, being the last original Saxons to abandon their original dialect.
2.4. Angrian Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of Angria and some northern cantons of Thuringia. They formerly spoke the Central Saxon dialect, but they adopted the SGL since the 13th-14th centuries.
2.5. British Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of East Saxon Britain (Essex) and West Saxon Britain (Wessex), excepting the isle of Wicht. Considered a hybrid branch of Angles and the Saxons who migrated to southern Britain, Their original dialects are poorly known as they adopted the SGL almost immediately after the Frankish conquest of the Anglo-Saxon Britain.
2.6. Neustrian Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of northern Neustria (including the Channel Islands) and the coast of Francia of the Seine. Highly hybridized with former Oeil-speaking populations. Their original dialects are also poorly known, but a certain form of Oeil/Saxon creole survived in the Channel Islands until the 17th century.
2.7. Transylvanian Saxons: Germanic-speaking population of some cantons of southern and northern Transylvania (Siebenbürgen). Established there as settlers since the 12th century, this is the only Saxon population which preserve their own Saxon dialect, even if outside its original range. Today only a third of the Transylvanian Saxons speak the Saxon dialect, with the younger generations mostly switching to SGL.

3. JUTES: Partly real, partly reconstructed heritage tribe dispersed through Jutland, Vermandland and southern Britain.
3.1. Peninsular Jutes: Germanic-speaking population of the province of Jutland (exceting the western islands) and northern Holstein. This branch is considered a reconstructed one, as the original Jutes of the peninsula are considered extinct since the Early Middle Ages. They spoke a variety of Northern Saxon, with some Danish mixing. However, they adopted the SGL since the 12th-13th centuries. Despite being a reconstructed entity, today people of the area widely considered them as Jutes, sharing identity with the other distant branches.
3.2. Vermandic Jutes: Germanic-speaking population of the coast of the Vermandland, specially Kenterwig. Closely related to the Kentish Jutes in Britain, they are considered partly real, partly reconstructed as they are mostly Frankish population retaining Jutish identity from a previous population. They probably spoke a Frankish dialect, but adopted the SGL very early.
3.3. Kentish Jutes: Germanic-speaking population of Kent. This is the only Jutish branch considered to be 100% of real heritage, since the establishment of the Jutes there by the 5th century. They initially spoke their own Jutish language, but they had already switched to Old English before finally adopting the SGL by the 12th-13th centuries.
3.4. Wichtish Jutes: Germanic-speaking population of the isle of Wicht, in West Saxon Britain. It is controversial if they could be considered of real heritage, as it is believed that they were indeed replaced by Saxons at some time before the Frankish conquest. They probably spoke the same dialects as in the rest of the old earldom (now province) before switching to SGL by the 12th-13th centuries. However, they stick today to the Jutish identity.

4. FRISIANS: Real heritage tribe from the continental North Sea shores.
4.1. Northern Frisians: Germanic-speaking population of the western islands of Jutland. They have preserved its Northern Frisian dialect, despite the fact that most of them have switched to SGL in recent times.
4.2. Western Frisians: Germanic-speaking population of the some of the Frisian islands in Holland, as well as some pockets in mainland Holland (Dorstadt), western Frisia and Drenthe. They spoke the Western Frisian dialect, but it is almost extinct today, with a few speakers remaining in the islands. The Western Frisians inhabited most of Holland and northern Brabant until they were replaced by the Franks there at the end of the Early Middle Ages.
4.3. Eastern Frisians: Germanic-speaking population of most of Frisia, Heligoland and some pockets in the continental Lower Saxony. They have preserved the Eastern Frisian dialect in some areas, but the main cities have mostly switched to SGL since the 17th century.

5. FRANKS: Real heritage tribe from West/Central Germany and Northern Gaul.
5.1. Western Franks: Germanic-speaking population of the Francia of the Seine, Campania, the Francia of the Loire and scattered parts of Neustria and the Francia of the Moselle. Considered a highly hybridized branch, as most of this people is bilingual (also Oeil-speaking). In most of Campania and the Francia of the Loire the population is still mainly Oeil-speaking at home. The most Germanic population live around Leyden (Laon) and Sechsen (Soissons), while main cities like Lutz (Paris), Rheims or Rudeburg (Rouan) being bilingual (in the case of Rudeburg, with many Neustrian Saxons too). They spoke the Western Frankish dialect, but it was the first area of the Frankish core to abandon their original dialects, switching to SGL as early as the 12th-13th centuries.
5.2. Eastern Franks: Germanic-speaking population of the Francia of the Main and Hesse, excepting the northern cantons. Considered the most real and authentic Frankish branch. They have preserved the Eastern Frankish dialect in some rural parts of Hesse, but the rest switched to SGL since the 12th-13th centuries.
5.3. Salian Franks: Germanic-speaking population of most of the Salian Francia and parts of Drenthe and Brabant. They spoke the old Salian or Low Frankish dialect, but it is believed that they switched to other Frankish dialects before adopting the SGL by the 14th-15th centuries.
5.4. Rhenish Franks: Germanic-speaking population of Aachen, the Francia of the Rhine, the Francia of the Meuse and the northern half of the Francia of the Moselle. They spoke a variety of closely related Frankish dialects, but as one of the original areas where the SGL was conceived, it replaced all their original Frankish dialects very early.
5.5. Hollandic Franks: Germanic-speaking population of most of Holland (excepting many islands), northern Brabant and some minor areas in Salian Francia. They widely speak their own particular dialect, usually called Hollander, which is based on Low Frankish with some western Frisian influence. It is one of the few examples of a branch still sticking firmly to its own traditional dialect, even if all of them are fluent in SGL as well.
5.6. Flemish Franks: Germanic-speaking population of Flanders, most of Vermandland and significant parts of Brabant and Hennegau. They are tipped to be an original Romance-speaking population who adopted a variety of the Hollander by the end of the Early Middle Ages, but unlike their neighbours, most of them switched to SGL or back to Oeil in recent times. Due to this fact, they are considered to be a 'transitional' branch between the bilingual Western Franks and the Hollandic Franks.
5.7. Pannonian Franks: Germanic-speaking population of most of West Pannonia and part of Central Pannonia. Established there since the 10th century, the variety of Frankish dialects they spoke was quickly replaced by the SGL by the 13th-14th centuries.

6. BURGUNDIANS: Reconstructed heritage tribe from Burgundy. The original Burgundians are considered extinct since the 7th century, but the current ones have succeeded in keeping some sort of shared identity.
6.1. Upper Burgundians: Germanic-speaking population of the eastern cantons of Upper Burgundy. They originally spoke a mix of Frankish and Swabian dialects, but they quickly adopted the SGL by the 14th century.
6.2. Lower Burgundians: Germanic-speaking population of the eastern cantons of Central Burgundy and some pockets in Lower Burgundy. They usually spoke a variety of Alemannic dialects with strong Romance influence, and today many rural areas have preserved them.

7. LOMBARDS: Reconstructed heritage tribe from northern Italy. The original Lombards are considered extinct since the 9th-10th centuries, but there have been some controversial claims of alleged surviving remnants in northwestern Friuli and the area of Döm.
7.1. Western Lombards: Germanic-speaking population of some valleys in northern Lombardy, specially Döm. They speak some varieties of Alemannic with strong Italian influence. Most of them are poorly fluent in SGL and are mostly bilingual with Italian.
7.2. Eastern Lombards: Germanic-speaking population of some areas in northwestern Friuli and small pockets in the Istrian province near Görz (Gorizia). Unlike the Western Lombards, it seems they spoke some varieties of the Bavarian group of dialects, but in order to preserve their Germanic identity in such isolated areas inside the Italian linguistic sphere, they adopted the SGL by the 19th-20th centuries and their own dialects are considered extinct today.

8. SWABIANS: Real heritage tribe from Southwest Germany and the Alpine area.
8.1. Lower Swabians: Germanic-speaking population of both West and East Swabia. They speak the Lower Swabian dialects, but today they are only preserved in some rural areas as the cities have mostly switched to SGL.
8.2. Upper Swabians: Germanic-speaking population of Alemannia. Due to their historical isolation, they have preserved the use of Alemannic or Upper Swabian dialect, in a similar way to Hollandic. It is widely used at all levels, even if all the Alemannians are fluent in SGL as well today.
8.3. Rhenish Swabians: Germanic-speaking population of Alsace. Considered a hybridized branch, highly influenced by Frankish. The Alsatian dialect is preserved today, but in serious decline as the younger generations are switching en masse to SGL.
8.4. Rhetian Swabians: Germanic-speaking population of Rhetia. Unlike the Alemannians, they switched from their old Upper Swabian dialect to the SGL by the 17th-18th centuries due to their tight relations with neighbouring Tirol.
8.5. Pannonian Swabians: Germanic-speaking population of parts of Central and East Pannonia and northern Gepidia. Established there since the 12th century, the variety of Swabian dialects they spoke was quickly replaced by the SGL by the 15th-16th centuries.

9. BAVARIANS: Real heritage tribe from Southeast Germany and the Alpine area.
9.1. Western Bavarians: Germanic-speaking population of West Bavaria and the Upper Palatinate. They speak the Western Bavarian dialect, which is still quite well preserved, even if the switch to SGL has accelerated in some areas during the last century.
9.2. Eastern Bavarians: Germanic-speaking population of East Bavaria, some eastern cantons of West Pannonia and the areas of Pressburg, in Lower Moravia. Unlike their western counterparts, the Eastern Bavarian dialect is almost extinct as they have been gradually adopting the SGL since the 15th century.
9.3. Southern Bavarians: Germanic-speaking population of both West and East Carinthia and northern Carniola. They speak a variety of sometimes valley-restricted Southern Bavarian dialects, but the main cities have switched to SGL since the 17th century.
9.4. Tirolese Bavarians: Germanic-speaking population of most of Tirol and northwestern Friuli (Hayden). In the southern half they are bilingual with Italian and most of them have switched to SGL since the 17th-18th centuries. Tirolese dialect is still preserved in most of the northern valleys.
9.5. Bohemian Bavarians: Germanic-speaking population of the western and southern cantons of Bohemia, and the southern cantons of Upper Moravia. Originally they spoke a mix of Western and Eastern Bavarian dialects, but now they have largely abandon almost all of them in favour to SGL.
9.6. Rhenish Bavarians: Germanic-speaking population of the Lower Palatinate. Isolated from the rest of the Bavarian sphere, they abandoned their original West Bavarian dialect with high Frankish influence quite early and adopted the SGL since the 15th-16th centuries.

10. THURINGIANS: Real heritage tribe from Central Germany.
10.1. Western Thuringians: Germanic-speaking population of most of the Thuringian province. They formerly spoke the Western Thuringian dialect, but they adopted the SGL since the 13th-14th centuries.
10.2. Eastern Thuringians: Germanic-speaking population of parts of Upper Saxony and Lusatia, and some northern Bohemian cantons. They formerly spoke the Eastern Thuringian dialect, but they adopted the SGL since the 15th-16th centuries.

11. POMERANIANS: Creolized tribe from Pomerania. They were formed by ethnogenesis between Wends and Saxon/Frankish settlers.
11.1. Western Pomeranians: Germanic-speaking population of western Pomerania and some Rugian cantons. They formerly spoke a Wendish/Saxon creole until the 17th century, when they switched en masse to the SGL.
11.2. Eastern Pomeranians: Germanic-speaking population of eastern Pomerania. They formerly spoke a Wendish/Saxon creole which survived until the 20th century, but they had already started to adopt the SGL since the 17th century.

12. PRUSSIANS: Creolized tribe from Prussia. They were formed by ethnogenesis between Baltic Prussians and Saxon/Frankish settlers.
12.1. Western Prussians: Germanic-speaking population of West Prussia. They formerly spoke a Saxon dialect with strong Baltic influences, but they switched to SGL by the 16th-17th centuries.
12.2. Eastern Prussians: Germanic-speaking population of East Prussia, excepting the southern cantons. They formerly spoke a sort of Baltic/Saxon creole, but they switched to SGL by the 16th-17th centuries.
12.3. Masurian Prussians: Germanic-speaking population of the southern cantons of East Prussia (Masuria). Considered a hybridized branch of Eastern Prussians and West Slavic population. They still speak a 'double creole' (Saxon/Baltic mixed with Saxon/Slavic) language in some rural areas, but today is in total decline, as the younger generations are switching to SGL.

13. CURONIANS: Newly created Germanic tribe by ethnogenesis, from the Eastern Baltic area.
13.1. Northern Curonians: Germanic-speaking population scattered by Estonia (except the islands), Ugandi and Ingria. They share very different ethnic origins (including Nordic) and adopted SGL since the very beginning of their settlement in the northeastern Baltic area due to basic communication purpose. This is one of the most artificial branches, as it is used as a basketcase for many different Germanic-speaking of the Baltic, grouped as 'Curonians' just for practical reasons.
13.2. Southern Curonians: Germanic-speaking population of Courland and pockets scattered by Livonia, Letland and coastal Samogitia. Unlike the Northern Curonians, the Southern Curonians are a more homogeneous population of basically Germanized Latvian origin. Excepting the ethnic Germanic elites, the rest spoke Latvian until they adopted the SGL during the last five centuries at least.
13.3. Insular Curonians: Germanic-speaking population of the islands of Estonia. This population is based on a first Scandinavian population (Danish and Swedish) who later hybridized with Estonian, Latvian and Germanic populations. Like the Northern Curonians, they adopted the SGL very early for basic communication between the diverse groups.

14. VANDALS: Reconstructed heritage tribe from the Warthe valley and upper Vistula. The original Vandals are considered extinct since the 6th century,
14.1. Lower Vandals: Germanic-speaking population of Lower and Central Vandalia (Warthe valley). Like the Curonians, they share multiple origins, not only Germanic, but also Wendish and West Slavic. This is not proved that they used a creole language like Pomeranians. Their linguistic heritage is hard to reconstruct, as they have been using the SGL since the 14th-15th centuries.
14.2. Upper Vandals: Germanic-speaking population of Upper Vandalia. In this case, the West Slavic heritage is more evident than in the Lower Vandals. However, they also switched to SGL quite early (15th-16th centuries).

15. SILESIANS: Creolized tribe from Silesia. They were formed by ethnogenesis between West Slavic and Saxon/Thuringian settlers.
15.1. Upper Silesians: Germanic-speaking population of Upper Silesia and some pockets in northern and central Lower Moravia. They are Germanized West Slavic population who adopted the SGL between the 15th and the 18th centuries, even if there are some weak proof about the use of a West Slavic/Germanic creole for some time.
15.2. Lower Silesians: Germanic-speaking population of Lower Silesia and parts of Lusatia. Unlike the Upper Silesians, they are a mix of Germanized West Slavic population with Saxon/Thuringian settlers. It is believed that they first adopted the Eastern Saxon dialect as common language before switching to SGL.
15.3. Bohemian Silesians: Germanic-speaking population of northeastern Bohemia and northern Upper Moravia. This is the only Silesian branch which preserved a known West Slavic/Saxon creole until the 19th century, but today is considered extinct.

16. HERULIANS: Reconstructed heritage tribe from the Sau (Sava) valley. The original Herulians are considered extinct since the 6th century,
16.1. Savan Herulians: Germanic-speaking population of Herulland. They descend from a heterogeneous group of Germanic settlers who established in the area for defending the Byzantine-Germanic border between the 14th and the 17th centuries. The Herulian reconstructed identity has been used for binding them together. They have spoken the SGL from the beginning of its settlement.
16.2. Dalmatian Herulians: Germanic-speaking population of some pockets in Dalmatia. They descend from a group of Savan Herulians who moved to Venetian-ruled Dalmatia in the 16th century in order to also defending the Venetian border from Byzantine expansion. They are more hybridized with Italian-speaking people than the Savan branch.

17. GEPIDS: Reconstructed heritage tribe from the lower Pannonian basin. The original Gepids are considered extinct since the 6th century.
17.1. Western Gepids: Germanic-speaking population of some parts of Gepidia. As the Herulians, they descend from a different group of Germanic settlers who established in the area for defending the Byzantine-Germanic border between the 14th and the 17th centuries. They have spoken the SGL from the beginning of its settlement as well.
17.2. Eastern Gepids: Germanic-speaking population of the western cantons of New Gepidia. This group moved eastwards when the Germanic Empire ensured its sovereignty over the Lower Danubian principalities in 1574. This branch has highly hybridized with both Romance-speaking and Bulgarian population.

18. WARNIANS: Tribe from northeastern Germany of controversial origin. Some claim it is from real heritage, while others claim it is reconstructed.
18.1. Western Warnians: Germanic-speaking population of western Warnia and some eastern cantons of Holstein. They formerly spoke an obscure dialect of the Saxon group or similar (Warnian group?), but they have adopted the SGL since the 12th-13th centuries.
18.2. Eastern Warnians: Germanic-speaking population of eastern Warnia. It is believed they spoke a mix of the Pomeranian creole and the alleged Warnian dialect. In any case it is a more Wendicized branch. As well as the western branch, they adopted the SGL since the 12th-13th centuries.

19. RUGIANS: Tribe from two distant locations (northeastern Germany and Carniola) of controversial origin. Some claim it is from real heritage, while others claim it is reconstructed.
19.1. Northern Rugians: Germanic-speaking population of Rugia. It is unclear if they spoke their own language/dialect or rather Wendish or a Pomeranian creole. Since the area was occupied by Sweden for long time, the ethnic development prior to 1774 is hard to reconstruct. Rugians have developed a strong tribal identity despite (or thanks to) their unclear origins, and use the SGL since their reintegration into the Empire.
19.2. Southern Rugians: Germanic-speaking population of southern Carniola and the Croatian canton of Karlstadt. Unlike other Germanic-speaking population detached from the main sphere, this pocket was not created by planned settlements. Despite the popular claim that they directly descend from the Rugians who migrated to the Alpine are during the Early Middle Ages, they are probably from a mixed Bavarian/Swabian origin. However, as they have self-identified as Rugians for long, they are grouped with Northern Rugians. Their original and particular dialect (with no clear affinities) is considered extinct since 1899.

20. GOTHS: Partly real, partly reconstructed heritage tribe from modern Gothia. The original groups of Goths are considered extinct since the 8th century, but a minor branch survived in the Tauric peninsula. This is the only Germanic tribe of traditional Eastern Nicene religion.
20.1. Peninsular Goths: Germanic-speaking population of part of East Gothia, basically the Tauric peninsula, and the city of Dneperburg, in West Gothia. Unlike the other tribes, they originally spoke an East Germanic language, the Gothic. However, this language vanished by the 18th century and their descendants adopted the SGL. Most of these new Goths have also other alternate origins, mostly Germanized East Slavic and Turkic population.
20.2. Dnistrian Goths: Germanic-speaking population of some areas in the Dniester valley, in both West Gothia and Moldavia. They are a mix of Peninsular Goths who moved to the area when it was repopulated by the 18th-19th centuries with other Germanic settlers from Saxony, Bavaria and Swabia.
 
Wait, wait...one thing is to recover better from the 9th crisis in order to prevent things like Manzikert etc. and another thing is to become strong enough to rebound the dominance in the Adriatic. These are two levels of 'remaining strong'.

Even if the ERE had recovered better, the continued pressure of Arabs, Turks, Mongols?, etc. etc. in the East would have made almost impossible for the Empire to remain also stronger in the Italian/Adriatic sphere in the long term, so it is absolutely feasible for Venice to thrive there. Maybe not for capturing Crete or Rhodes, but for sure Dalmatia and maybe the Ionian islands.
At what point did ERE restore control over the Balkans?
 
At what point did ERE restore control over the Balkans?
In fact Basil the Great restore control of most of the Balkans IOTL, but even this did not stop Venice to expand during that era.

ITTL, the Germanic Empire itself would help the ERE to reach a shared balance of power in the Balkans for mutual benefit: a shared, stable border along the Sava-Danube line would be ideal for both sides, keeping the Slavic populations under control. The only exception might be the Dalmatian coast, but if Venice is finally occupied (in an analogue version of what happened IOTL by the Napoleonic time), their southern possessions might go for the ERE and the Dalmatian coast (mostly Italian speaking then, and Catholic) would fit better inside the Germanic Empire.
 
Religious profile

In this TL, the European Christianity is just divided between Western Nicenes and Eastern Nicenes. Only the Eastern Roman Empire has a majority of Eastern Nicene population, but there is a significant Eastern Nicene minority in the Germanic Empire:

- Dalmatia: canton of Knin (where Serbs are majority).
- Gepidia: cantons of Neusabatsch and Kubin (where Serbs are also majority).
- New Gepidia: most of the province is Eastern Nicene, excepting the areas where the Germanic-speaking people are majority, like Krajau or Rümnick.
- Transylvania: there are some cantons where Eastern Nicenes are majority, like Schässburg.
- East Pannonia: the eastern half of the province is mostly Eastern Nicene, specially the regions around Arath and Jenöpel.
- The provinces of West Gothia, East Gothia, Moldavia, Bukovina, Galizia, Podolia, Wolhynia and South Lithuania are overwhelmingly Eastern Nicene.
- The eastern cantons of North Lithuania and Letland are mostly Eastern Nicene.
- Some inner regions of Ingria are traditionally Eastern Nicene, but in this province they have been in decline for long time.

Apart of Christianity, there is also a small native Muslim population of Turkic/Kazanish origin (Tarutin, Kagul, Sarat...) in southeastern Moldavia and some scattered rural areas in both Gothic provinces.
 
Administrative system

The Empire is a constitutional, parliamentary system since 1815. The Emperor is just a figurehead Head of State with no real power, and all the lower aristocracy was abolished and their lands expropriated by the state.

The Constitution of 1925 established a bicameral system this way: a Senate (Reichsrat) composed by 201 senators (two per each of the 100 provinces, plus one from the special district 'Aachen/residents abroad') and a Parliament (Reichstag) composed by 751 deputies (a variable number per province, depending on their population, plus one from the special district 'Aachen/residents abroad'). The Government is appointed by the Parliament (only requires a simple majority), but the Senate has the right to veto laws and decrees about sensitive topics (i.e. defense).

The country is divided into 100 provinces (Provinzen) since the last Division of 1890, but some amendments have been done in the internal borders from time to time. The international border has not changed since 1922, when some minor modifications were done in the Treaty of Borders with the Khanate of Kazan. All the provinces have their own provincial parliaments and constitutions. The provinces are divided into cantons (Kreise), called after their capitals. Depending on the provinces and the kind of cantons, there are no further subdivisions (just non-administrative districts). In some cases, the cantons are further divided into municipalities, specially in populated areas.

The country has hundreds of political parties. At Imperial level they are grouped into six families (Conservative, Liberal, Social-Democrat, Far-Left, Far-Right and Green) plus the independent group for the non-affiliated parties (usually, regionalist or populist parties). The General Elections are performed every five years, and there is no ordinary mechanism for advancing them. Since 1925, the elections have taken part every 5 years without exception: 1930, 1935...until the last ones in 2020. The two most voted senators in each province are elected (each family can only present one candidate), while the deputies are elected through provincial lists, with the seats assigned using the d'Hont law. The provincial and cantonal elections have shorter terms (4 years) and can be advanced if necessary.
 
Official languages

Only the Standard Germanic Language is official at Imperial level and compulsory at all the education system. Other languages and dialects are also co-official at provincial or cantonal level, being also present at the education system of the corresponding territories.

* Co-official languages:

- Danish: Province of Jutland.
- Swedish: Province of Rugia. Cantons of Wiburg, Birkendorf and Sankt Andreas (Ingria).

- Finnish: Cantons of Wiburg, Rauten and Raiwohl (Ingria).
- Estonian: Provinces of Estonia and Ugandi. Cantons of Jewe, Mehntack and Johannstadt (Ingria).

- Latvian: Provinces of Courland, Livonia and Letland. Canton of Hainasch (Estonia).
- Lithuanian: Provinces of Samogitia, North Lithuania and South Lithuania. Canton of Memel (East Prussia).

- East Slavic: Provinces of South Lithuania, Wolhynia, Galitzia, Podolia, Bukovina, West Gothia and East Gothia. Cantons of Pleskau and Isborsch (Ugandi); five cantons of Ingria; nine eastern cantons of Letland; seven eastern cantons of North Lithuania; and the cantons of Bender and Weissenburg am Dnister (Moldavia).
- West Slavic: Provinces of Podlachia, Mazovia, Polesia, Upper Vandalia and Central Vandalia. Five southern cantons of East Prussia; three cantons of Lower Vandalia and the cantons of Kattowitz, Bielitz, Teschen and Saybusch (Upper Silesia).
- Bohemo-Moravian Slavic: Provinces of Bohemia, Upper Moravia and Lower Moravia. Canton of Lublau (Ruthenia).
- Pannonian Slavic: Provinces of Ruthenia, Central Pannonia, East Pannonia and Gepidia. Canton of Mohatsch (West Pannonia).
- Sorbian: Province of Lusatia. Canton of Meissen (Upper Saxony).
- Croatian: Provinces of Croatia and Herulland. Cantons of Macharsch, Ston, Plotsch and Neum (Dalmatia).
- Serbian: Canton of Knin (Dalmatia). Cantons of Kubin and Neusabatsch (Gepidia).
- Bulgarian: Cantons of Bolgard and Kilien (Moldavia).
- Carinthian Slavic: Province of Krain. Canton of Klagenfurt (West Carinthia); five southern cantons of East Carinthia and cantons of Tolmein and Gafers (Istria).

- Eastern Romance: Provinces of East Pannonia, Transylvania, Bukovina, Moldavia and New Gepidia. Seven cantons in Gepidia, the canton of Borschen (Ruthenia) and the cantons of Dubesser and Dnisterburg (West Gothia).
- Italian: Provinces of Lombardy, Liguria, Corsica, Friuli, Padania, Tuscany, Tirol, Istria and Dalmatia. Cantons of Bellenz and Lauis (Rhetia) and Nissa (Lower Burgundy).
- Oeil: Neustria, Francia of the Seine, Francia of the Loire, Francia of the Meuse, Francia of the Moselle, Vermandland, Hennegau, Campania, Upper Burgundy and Central Burgundy. Canton of Ryssel (Flanders) and cantons of Brüssel and Waver (Brabant).
- Oc: Provinces of Central and Lower Burgundy. Canton of Sussa (Lombardy).

- Breton: Cantons of Felger and Sankt Machlow (Neustria).
- Welsh: Canton of Dyffsburg (Southumbria).

- Turkic: Cantons of Tarutin, Sarat and Kagul (Moldavia) and seven cantons in East Gothia.
- Magyar: Cantons of Hottwan, Oghausen, Tokei and Gengess (Central Pannonia), canton of Potock (Ruthenia) and cantons of Zenta and Sombar (Gepidia).

- Greek: Cantons of Chersen and Jalta (East Gothia).

* Co-official Germanic dialects:

- Hollandic:
Province of Holland.
- Flemish: Provinces of Flanders and Brabant. Cantons of Kalen and Lens (Vermandland) and Dornick (Hennegau).
- North Frisian: Cantons of Tondern and Husum (Jutland).
- East Frisian: Province of Frisia, special municipality of Heligoland (Lower Saxony).
- Alemannic:
Province of Alemannia. Cantons of Augschtal, Brig, Sitten and Zermatt (Central Burgundy) and Döm (Lombardy).
- West Bavarian: Province of West Bavaria.
- Transylvanian Saxon: Province of Transylvania.
 
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Surely with an empire that large, the *Germans must've gotten some good bits of the Americas once they are discovered. Which powers do rule the Americans ITTL, it is mentioned that the UK of Gaelic Britain and Ireland along with Iberia-Naples dominate the colonial game...
 
Surely with an empire that large, the *Germans must've gotten some good bits of the Americas once they are discovered. Which powers do rule the Americans ITTL, it is mentioned that the UK of Gaelic Britain and Ireland along with Iberia-Naples dominate the colonial game...
Yes, there were Germanic colonies in the Americas, but take into account that the Germanic Empire was not a centralized entity until 1815, which meant a clear disadvantage compared to the Spanish Empire or the Gaelic UK.

The approximated scenario is that the Spanish Empire holds the territory that Spain + Portugal held IOTL (including the Louisianas and Florida, and most of the Caribbean), while the Gaelic UK and Sweden colonized most of the rest of North America. The Germanic Empire had some colonies in North America (St. Lawrence Valley, Long Island...) and the Caribbean (Lesser Antilles, Virgin Islands...), but all were lost after 1815 (either becoming independent or passed to other powers who fight the Empire during the Revolutions).
 
Generally speaking, I would encourage you to reflect on history as trends developing from actions, rather than try to apply many trends (divided Christianity, the emergence of national languages, colonisation as something favoring centralized states, events happening according to roughly identical timetables) to a polity whose impact on history would probably be simply bigger than Rome's come ATL 2000 CE.

For example, how did this 'Western Christianity' develop? Is it just reskinned Catholicism + bits of Protestantism? Is ATL Revolution a reskinned 1789-1815 OTL?
Why are those languages roughly the same as OTL (in kind and even in geographical distribution) rather than something else due to displacement by German speakers?
How did colonisation come around ATL? What factors drove it? What happened to Islam, incidentally?
What are the cultural trends that allowed German people to remain that much cohesive, to eventually become a single country?
How come the groups have mostly stayed the same and with the same names as OTL?
 
Generally speaking, I would encourage you to reflect on history as trends developing from actions, rather than try to apply many trends (divided Christianity, the emergence of national languages, colonisation as something favoring centralized states, events happening according to roughly identical timetables) to a polity whose impact on history would probably be simply bigger than Rome's come ATL 2000 CE.

For example, how did this 'Western Christianity' develop? Is it just reskinned Catholicism + bits of Protestantism? Is ATL Revolution a reskinned 1789-1815 OTL?
Why are those languages roughly the same as OTL (in kind and even in geographical distribution) rather than something else due to displacement by German speakers?
How did colonisation come around ATL? What factors drove it? What happened to Islam, incidentally?
What are the cultural trends that allowed German people to remain that much cohesive, to eventually become a single country?
How come the groups have mostly stayed the same and with the same names as OTL?
Well said.

The two revolutions, for example, seem more of a way to reach an end point in the timeline than to have any sort of internal logic of their own. Instead of being a potentially disastrous destruction of centuries of seemingly powerful tradition in the empire, it turns out quite well it seems. The destruction of a highly successful and apparently well-entrenched feudal order on the local level could be the kindling the light the whole empire aflame. It seems a proper bourgeois revolution, and almost all of those in history turned out to be highly destructive for the state. Especially considering it seems to have been written with revolution #2 to be a parallel of the Napoleonic wars and French expansionism. And yet the empire seems to remain this sprawling beast with a cohesive and competent administration, united across a common culture, and no serious external threats.

My feeling is that the government of this behemoth would have a difficult time maintaining cohesion and preventing deep corruption considering just how large it is for a premodern polity. Especially one as entrenched and ‘eternal’ as this one. These revolutions could easily lead to the rediscovering of local identities and nationalisms, of a brutal class war between the enserfed Bohemian against his German or Polish landlord, of the West Frankish(?) communes producing some eccentric young lawyers that would whip up the Parisian mob against the ultrareactionaries across the Rhine. Even the elite in England seem like they’d be better served trying to strike it out on their own rather than maintaining tied to this continent spanning and *hyper-centralized* polity that they no doubt are chafing under. These revolutions in context would probably be less these neat little historical markers on the road to modernity and progress and instead highly bloody affairs that would shatter this empire and redraw it’s borders east west north and south.

It’s an interesting scenario and the map is very cool. At the same time though, the history is PoD after PoD stacked on top to reach a desired end goal. One PoD does not have any real causation on the other one and the millions of people living in this empire are just blank models to be attached to X culture and Y religion that would work best to keep the empire strong and united. Where are the defeats and setbacks? Economic crashes and jacqueries? Where are the radical or puritanical religious organizations encouraging revolt against the empire? The trade unionists, romantic nationalists, discontent nobles and burghers, and general hell raisers? Weak administrations, poor rulers, corrupt officials, and generalized incompetence? Overall, I think the timeline would be much better if it was written where each event had some causation on the next and that bad things happened and the state was not so massive and not just gradually progressing towards good things with nothing bad seemingly happening to it.
 
Generally speaking, I would encourage you to... ...and with the same names as OTL?

Well said.

The two revolutions, for example, seem more of a way to... ...progressing towards good things with nothing bad seemingly happening to it.

Well, as a general model for this TL, I would say I tried to combine two historical models:

- The 'pseudo-Chinese-Europe' model. For the first part of the history (until 1774), I implemented the ideal of a pseudo-Chinese scenario in Europe, as the traditional isolatiobal full-Chinese does not realistically fit the European context. This is the determination of a 'sphere' where a bound of proto-nations ( let's see: all the West Germanic-speaking nations and their peripheral ones) is stuck in a cultural and sociological way that prevents disrupting movements, because the risk of leaving out the sphere is hard to assume, as it would become exposed to strong external enemies from opposed spheres (i.e. Kazan, the Islamic sphere; Byzantium, the Eastern Nicene sphere etc.). Unlike a pure Chinese model, there is no rigid centralization here, but also not too many looseness, with the feudal model quite weakened ITTL.

- The previous model has many vices which makes it unstable in the long term. And then comes the second model to be implemented after 1774: the Americanizant one. The two Revolutions are more analogue to the American rather to the French in some issues, and the setbacks (like i.e. the American Civil War) are tipped to make the polity stronger in the aftermath, not disruptive. The Empire is mostly redone from scratch, but thanks to the previous model, you have a solid core to do so (you only have to crush some minor peripherals, like Venice). The lack of Reformation and probably a minor Renaissance leads also to a minor 'conscience of class', thus the Revolutions would be not that disrupted by random inter-class violence, and more focused on disenfranchising the minor aristocracy from the government and land holding.
 
Yes, there were Germanic colonies in the Americas, but take into account that the Germanic Empire was not a centralized entity until 1815, which meant a clear disadvantage compared to the Spanish Empire or the Gaelic UK.

The approximated scenario is that the Spanish Empire holds the territory that Spain + Portugal held IOTL (including the Louisianas and Florida, and most of the Caribbean), while the Gaelic UK and Sweden colonized most of the rest of North America. The Germanic Empire had some colonies in North America (St. Lawrence Valley, Long Island...) and the Caribbean (Lesser Antilles, Virgin Islands...), but all were lost after 1815 (either becoming independent or passed to other powers who fight the Empire during the Revolutions).
Ah, makes a lot of sense now why the Germanic Empire did not take the lion's share of the colonies ITTL due to their decentralized nature. So the Germans were able to secure OTL Lower and Upper Quebec, Long Island, and the Lesser Antilles, though would lose them to enemies (akin to the French in the Seven Years' War). Also, what portions do the Gaelic UK and Sweden control in North America?

Not to go too far, but I'm curious about the status of the MidEast and the rest of the world ITTL. It is mentioned that Byzantium is able to experience a revival in imperial power and avoid any kind of Mazikert-style disaster. Did the Byzantines ever recover parts of their pre-Islam empire back or are they sticking to controlling all of Anatolia?
 
Ah, makes a lot of sense now why the Germanic Empire did not take the lion's share of the colonies ITTL due to their decentralized nature. So the Germans were able to secure OTL Lower and Upper Quebec, Long Island, and the Lesser Antilles, though would lose them to enemies (akin to the French in the Seven Years' War). Also, what portions do the Gaelic UK and Sweden control in North America?

Not to go too far, but I'm curious about the status of the MidEast and the rest of the world ITTL. It is mentioned that Byzantium is able to experience a revival in imperial power and avoid any kind of Mazikert-style disaster. Did the Byzantines ever recover parts of their pre-Islam empire back or are they sticking to controlling all of Anatolia?
As already pointed out, Byzantium revived strong enough for avoiding the Turkic invasions, but not enough for a complete rebound of its old glory outside the Balkan-Anatolian core. Partially thanks to the Germanic Empire it manages to control all the Balkans south of the Danube-Sava line. In the East, the border is finally solidified along the Euphrates, while in the southeast, it controls Antioch and Laodicea, but beyond that the Arabic entities of Mesopotamia and Egypt control the Levant until the present day.

In the case of the islands, obviously both Sicily and Malta fell to the Spanish Empire and the Ionian Islands were temporarily lost to Venice. However, the Aegean islands, Crete and Cyprus remain Byzantine for all the period.
 
Here is a refined map of my proposal of a pan-West Germanic Empire in an alternate scenario where the HRE did not exist:


Basically the idea behind it is that the HRE is not revived in the 8th century and the Italian affairs remain peripheral for the Frankish dynasties. As relevant highlights:

- North West Francia remains attached to the Germanic core along the Rhine, meaning that it stays more Germanized and Frankish/Oeil bilingual.
- Romance-speaking Aquitaine develops into an independent kingdom.
- Normans do not settle in Neustria, but pre-extant Neustrian Saxon settlement is enhanced by further Saxon migration promoted by Aachen. These Neustrian Saxons would engage along with the Franks in the conquest of Anglo-Saxon Britain in order to expell the Scandinavians from there. Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Cumbria manage to get independent and form a United Kingdom with Ireland in the 15th century.
- The Eastern Roman Empire recovers in a stronger way from the 8th-9th centuries crisis and it does not fall to the Turks or other invaders. It is widely recognized as the only Roman Empire, preventing the West to revive any alternate Roman Imperial title.
- The Magyars fail to settle Pannonia permanently. Pannonia becomes an area of mixed Germanic/Slavic settlement along with other small minorities (Magyars, Turks, Mongols...). The Turks manage to raid some parts of Eastern Europe, but do not form any political entity.
- Russia or any analogue Slavic Empire fails to form because of the aggressive expansion of the Muslim Khanate of Kazan.
- There is no Great Schism, but different Western Nicene and Eastern Nicene adscriptions based on the different rites and hierarchies. There is also no Reformation.
- A Standard (West) Germanic language starts to develop in the 11th century for internal commercial purpose and gradually replaces most of the West Germanic dialects, including Frisian, Old English, Low Frankish and later the Wendish Slavic/Germanic and Baltic/Germanic creoles in the East. By the 21th century only a few dialects (Hollandic, Alemannic, Bavarian...) survive along with the standard official language.
- The Frankish Kingdom convert into an official Germanic Empire in 1282 after a Compromise with the Papacy, where the new Emperor holding the additional title of 'Protector of Rome' (but not Roman Emperor).
- The Old Empire (1282-1774) fails to form a centralized entity, with many Imperial Dominions (territories under almost-direct rule of Aachen) mixed with a myriad of semi-independent duchies (Bavaria, Swabia...), sub-kingdoms (Lombardy, Bohemia-Silesia, Burgundy...), free cities, oligarchic-ruled cantons, vassal entities etc. This collection of polities would be not centralized and homogenized until the Revolutions.
- The old absolutist Empire transitions into a constitutional, parliamentary and democratic one through two Revolutions (1774-1792 and 1806-1815). The First is more focused on dismantling the local minor aristocratic/clerical power and homogenize the different entities of the Empire into modern provinces; the Second is more focused on fighting external powers like Sweden or Venice (which is occupied) and acquiring the Papal possessions outside Central Italy (Monastic States in the Baltic, Avignon etc.).
- The 'Romantic' Revolutionaries revive some long-lost tribal Germanic entities like Herulland, Gepidia, Warnia, Rugia or Vandalia for naming some provinces of new creaion where some Germanic-speaking population (with controversial tribal affiliation) live. In 1892 a popular pseudo-scientific book is published where the Germanic-speaking population of the Empire is divided in 20 Germanic tribes, some of real direct heritage (Franks, Saxons, Bavarians...), other reconstructed (Gepids, Vandals...), other of new ethnogenesis (Prussians, Pomeranians...) and other of mixed or controversial origin (Jutes, Rugians...).
- The Empire is not very focused on overseas colonization, which is highly monopolized by the Spanish Empire and the United Kingdom of Gaelic Britain and Ireland. Their few colonies in the Americas are lost after the Revolutions.
Why does Cornwall include Devon?
 
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