Orthography POD

Just had the idea while writing a different post:

As we know, only three kinds words in the English language start with capital letters:
1. 1st word of each sentence
2. All kinds of names
3. The word "I"

I was thinking: Could there be a connection between capitalized "I" and the - let's say, preference - of the Anglophones for more individualist politics? WI the English had decided to write "i" instead of "I" (don't know when that POD would happen)? Would they become more prone to dictatorship or Socialist economics? (Ok, maybe it's a stupid and unscientific idea, but what do you think about it?)
 
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Your linguistic alternate history is not as far-fetched as it may seem. Linguistic constructivism and at the far edge of the spectrum linguistic idealism do exist as serious academic positions within the Structuralist and Post-Structuralist schools of linguistics. Those two positions incorporate alot of postmodern philosophy so I'd have to warn you about jumping into the river if you're thinking about it. I'll warn you about this much: If a person argued that writing and langauge are inherently arbitrary (which it us) and by nature chaotic, in order for him to argue such and speak and write anything, he would have to act out what he is arguing. If you think the results of holding such a position would render reading a thinker's works very difficult, if not impossible, you're very much correct. That is my warning.

Of course the reason why you've never heard of such people is because Anglophone linguists and philosophers generally tend to dismiss their counterparts who hold such positions. American linguistics is generally more "scientific," which is why they do so.

It's all great stuff though. To give you just a taste of it, I know of one author who wrote a book on the history of ideas that talked about the gradual sociolinguistic formation of the concept of 'man' and 'humanity' in the social sciences and the physical sciences. At the end of the work he suggests that the concept of 'man' is outdated and might die soon. It's interesting to say the least.

Here's some other suggestions for a more low-brow linguistic alternate history ... I'm not too familiar with foreign languages so my terminology might not be fully correct, but should suffice.

In German there are three different forms of the English word "The" -- 'Das', 'Der', and 'Die'. The second signifies a male object, the third, a female object, and the first, a neutral object. If you were to refer to a woman in German you would say "'die' mother" whereas in English you'd simply say "The Mother." Many of the other European langauges make these sexist distinctions, though to what extend I don't know.

Anyways one could invent an linguistic alternate history where this gender thing is much more pervasive in society, to the point where certain attitudes have genders. One could associate freedom with femininity and order with masculinity. Now one could then go on to construct a alternate history narrative describing a world where these associations cause very visible social, cultural, and even political differneces.

To give an example, imagine with the scenario I mentioned. In a given male-dominated society, there is totalitarianism and order. Now, because males are naturally brought up to be embrace order, and females to be more free, one could imagine there being a female revolt against male order and authority and the creation of a female republic.

So there's my two cents. Interesting stuff though.
 
It's pretty difficult stuff, and one has to be careful not to glide on the slippery slope into esoterics.

BTW, I know German too. But I don't think that using three different genders means something - "Freiheit" (freedom/liberty) has the female article, but so have "Ordnung" (order) and "Dummheit" (stupidity). So what does it mean? Not that much, I think.
 
Max Sinister said:
BTW, I know German too. But I don't think that using three different genders means something - "Freiheit" (freedom/liberty) has the female article, but so have "Ordnung" (order) and "Dummheit" (stupidity). So what does it mean?

It means that general nouns formed from adjectives by derivative suffixation usually are female in German. And there may be something to that...
 
merde said:
Many of the other European langauges make these sexist distinctions, though to what extend I don't know.
And many languages of Southeast Asia make obligate distinction between round, oblong, leaflike and so forth... objects. And so? :)
 
And so this is my response.

It is impossible for us to ever really get hold of an accurate measure of how such an alternate history would take place. Any such history would be purely speculative, because the differences we are talking about here would be very radical and the effects thus purely speculative. However, while I will concede that this means that we cannot give any accurate account of what would take place, I will go on the argue that this also means also that we can neither rule out what CANNOT happen. Therefore, your arguments against this alternate history are unwarranted.

My contention is that you cannot argue against this alternate history based on references to our history, because the radical nature of the linguistic changes we are talking about simply has no close equivalent in our history. Therefore, any comparison is bound to be completely off mark and irrelevant.

It's like arguing against an alternate history based on geological changes on Earth. One cannot make any references to our history because the base of any such reference, the environment of the planet, would be completely and utterly indifferent to comparison and contrast. Any example that one could use that draws from our history would necessarily be one where the geology was formed the way it was, and so the example would be utterly inappropriate to the alternate history in question.

It's similar in language. We cannot describe with any degree of accuracy what an alternate history that involves signfiicant linguistic changes would be like because we would necessarily do so in the language of our history, thus presupposing much of the nature of the alternate history. We cannot step outside of our langauge and look at two linguistic worlds side by side as objective entities; we will always look at one from the perspective of our human and linguistic subjectivity.

Afterthought:

If you wanna be really screwy, you could write an linguistic alternate history where the practice and hobby of alternate history does not exist due to the fact that we would literally have no words to think of them.

"The limits of my language are the limits of my mind. All I know is what I have words for."
-- Ludwig Wittgenstein

"The secrets of the universe lie with the words we would use to describe them."
-- Merde
 
Max Sinister said:
It's pretty difficult stuff, and one has to be careful not to glide on the slippery slope into esoterics.

BTW, I know German too. But I don't think that using three different genders means something - "Freiheit" (freedom/liberty) has the female article, but so have "Ordnung" (order) and "Dummheit" (stupidity). So what does it mean? Not that much, I think.


And in French "Ordre" is masculine, "Liberté" is feminine and "masturbation" is feminine
 
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