Map Thread XIII

[Tallest Skil]

Eurabia is coming. Euros are gonna out-bred by Muslim and African immigrants. France, England, and Germany are dead. Strasserism is my solution to this future problem.

Yeah, not happening. There’s going to be a pushback long before that, and the sooner it happens the less bloody it will be.

 

[Chairwoman Roxelana]

It's beautiful man, and all those red revolts... Straight fire. What exactly is Pasteurism supposed to be anyways?

Pasteurism is one of the main strains of socialist in this timeline. It developed in Northern France during the early 19th century, and would rise to become the main left-wing faction in Europe with the rise of the Pasteurist-run People's Republic of France a few decades later, and its support of similar revolts in Germany, Italy, and the Low Countries. It is named for the person whose works became the platform of the party, Charles Pasteur.

The Pasteurists are open to work in democratic systems until the gears of government start to "jam" and revolution in required to "un-jam" them. This of course happened when the King of France started cracking down on the increasingly powerful Pasteurist Party of France, and you can see what happened afterwords.

TL;DR Basically a milder version of revoltionary socialism starting in France.

 

[Serafim]

And here's another map.
PoD - unknown. It occurred in the 16th century.
Result:
1) Rzeczpospolita annexed Muscovy during the Time of Troubles (1600-1610).
2) The uprising failed in the 13 colonies. The rebels went to New Spain.

In the mid-20th century, there are two superpowers.
The Alliance. Under the direction of George William Hohenzollern - emperor of the United States of Mexican Empire
And The Concord. Headed by "The owner of the Fatherland" Mikhail Bogomolov. He is the President of the Republic of All Nations and richest industrialist of the planet. In the Republic it owns 80% of the industry and the banking system.
They have been fighting for the sixth year. And three years with the use of nuclear weapons.
The war killed over 170 million people. And kill many millions more in the future. But none of the parties does not want to concede.

A political map of the World

Map of military blocs

 

[Lord Hastur of Carcosa]

(Sorry for the late answer, my computer had collapsed)

Sardinia. And I am iffy in Veneto, especially if they think they will be grabbing the German, Ladanian, and Friulians areas, like I read some suggested for getting them their own autonous region.

Those are like Sud Tirol: just another reason why Padania isn't happening. The staunch Venetian nationalists talk about a "Venetian Confderation" that includes the three regions of current Veneto, Friuli Venezia-Giulia and Trentino Alto Adige (an area formerly known as "Triveneto" or "Tre Venezie", now simply referred to as "the Northeast") plus the lombard provinces of Bergamo and Brescia (collectively known as Orobia, which IS a historical venetian territory, at least since 1400) and Mantua. That is hard to envision, because of the german minority in "Alto Adige" (Sud Tirol) that are still more interested in union with Austria or an independent united Tirol, with more germanic (cimbric) linguistic islands in the provinces of Verona and Vicenza (few are left though). Then there's Belluno, which is Ladin and has close historical ties to... no one (Belluno non è di nessuno, which means Belluno belongs with nobody) and Friuli, historically fragmented both politically and linguistically.
Don't even ask me what ever tied Mantua and Venice.
As for the Lombards, some minority groups claim that the provinces of Novara, Domodossola and Piacenza should go to Lombardy, while the Venetians can keep Brescia and Mantua (not sure about Bergamo). two or three years ago a referendum was proposed for Lombardy to join Switzerland, but it never happened.
In short, even if "Padania" manages to secede from Italy, it will soon face internal secession movements. If you still want to keep it on your map, you may want to at least color Veneto a paler shade.

 

[Goldstein]

Continued WIP: Central Europe proves to be as horrifying as the Balkans.

That looks like some jolly good fun. I like it a lot.

 

[Gog (♀)]

Continued WIP: Central Europe proves to be as horrifying as the Balkans.

Tsk tsk. You could have Balkanized France more.

 

[Tsochar]

And here's another map.
PoD - unknown. It occurred in the 16th century.
Result:
1) Rzeczpospolita annexed Muscovy during the Time of Troubles (1600-1610).
2) The uprising failed in the 13 colonies. The rebels went to New Spain.

In the mid-20th century, there are two superpowers.
The Alliance. Under the direction of George William Hohenzollern - emperor of the United States of Mexican Empire
And The Concord. Headed by "The owner of the Fatherland" Mikhail Bogomolov. He is the President of the Republic of All Nations and richest industrialist of the planet. In the Republic it owns 80% of the industry and the banking system.
They have been fighting for the sixth year. And three years with the use of nuclear weapons.
The war killed over 170 million people. And kill many millions more in the future. But none of the parties does not want to concede.

Bravo! Good map and good scenario. Bit of a nitpick, though, you have some typos on the map (Iraqi Commissarian, for one), and United States of Mexican Empire sounds awkward in English. Perhaps the Empire of United Mexican States?

 

[water123]

And here's another map.
PoD - unknown. It occurred in the 16th century.
Result:
1) Rzeczpospolita annexed Muscovy during the Time of Troubles (1600-1610).
2) The uprising failed in the 13 colonies. The rebels went to New Spain.

In the mid-20th century, there are two superpowers.
The Alliance. Under the direction of George William Hohenzollern - emperor of the United States of Mexican Empire
And The Concord. Headed by "The owner of the Fatherland" Mikhail Bogomolov. He is the President of the Republic of All Nations and richest industrialist of the planet. In the Republic it owns 80% of the industry and the banking system.
They have been fighting for the sixth year. And three years with the use of nuclear weapons.
The war killed over 170 million people. And kill many millions more in the future. But none of the parties does not want to concede.

A political map of the World


Map of military blocs

*insert twisted murmurs that Georgia should get an african colony*

Fantastic map, I can see you did a lot of work on it and it looks magnificent! As for the awkward name of Mexico, maybe try the "United Imperial States of Mexico," perhaps.

What is life like in the Republic of All Nations? Georgia?

 

[mister_thorium]

Yeah, not happening. There’s going to be a pushback long before that, and the sooner it happens the less bloody it will be.

There won't be pushback until there are civil wars.
There won't be civil wars until there are enough Muslims to stage a civil war.
There will eventually be enough Muslims to stage a civil war.

 

[Lowtuff]

There won't be pushback until there are civil wars.
There won't be civil wars until there are enough Muslims to stage a civil war.
There will eventually be enough Muslims to stage a civil war.

Speaking for GB here, even in an insanely optimistic scenario for growth + a feck ton of unexpected immigration it'd be surprising to see a Muslim population passing a third of the total. I just don't see how a small minority of a small minority could launch a take-over of the country long term or short term. The Islamic republic of Birmingham remains a tad over the pale.

 

[mister_thorium]

Speaking for GB here, even in an insanely optimistic scenario for growth + a feck ton of unexpected immigration it'd be surprising to see a Muslim population passing a third of the total. I just don't see how a small minority of a small minority could launch a take-over of the country long term or short term. The Islamic republic of Birmingham remains a tad over the pale.

I'm not saying it's going to happen within the next thirty years or something, but on the long scale I don't think it's something to discount.

 

[water123]

I'm no fan of Trump's but the scenario you're proposing is ASB to the extreme. Becoming President would give Trump nowhere near the amount of power to send political opponents, US citizens, nor even illegal Mexican immigrants to labor camps. Nor would it encourage secessionist sentiment in Oregon and Washington to the degree that they would actually do it. Nor, given the apparent fall of the United States, would California and Texas try to form a union together instead of actually rejoining the union.

Trump is a racist and rather scary populist with a concerning amount of support. But that does not make him mega-Hitler, nor does it make the political situation of 2016 USA the same as 1932 Germany.

Exactly. It was a toungue-in-cheek representation of what quite a few people think might happen if Trump is elected, I wanted to see what people's reactions would be.

On an unrelated note, I have a map coming soon that is (marginally, some will probably say) far less asb than this. I am horrible at realism in maps either way.

 

[CalBear]

There won't be pushback until there are civil wars.
There won't be civil wars until there are enough Muslims to stage a civil war.
There will eventually be enough Muslims to stage a civil war.

You are really playing with fire around here.

Damned near every post you make gets reported.

You know it still isn't too late to get Banned for trolling straight out of the gate.

The game here isn't seeing just how far you can push. It never ends well.

 

[rvbomally]

Anyway, here's a Map of North America after the Trumpist Wars.

Heh, you didn't take it far enough.

A while back, I made World War 2.5, to lampoon the "Putin is literally Hitler" crowd. I find such comparisons unhelpful and, frankly, ridiculous. Now Trump has been the target of Godwin's Law, so I decided to make a take on World War 2.5 with the Americans as the Third Reich. As always, this isn't the most serious scenario, taking the parallels to a deliberately absurd extreme. It exists in a world with no nuclear weapons, and no sense of historical perspective.

---

World War 2.5(B)​

President Trump promised to Make America Great Again, and to the American people, that was music to their ears. The Americans lost the War on Terror, were in another economic depression, and they felt that their leaders were doing nothing to stop it. The destruction wrought by Trump's presidential campaign on the political establishment created a core of followers that allowed Trump to win the presidency under the newly-formed National Party, a breakaway of the Republicans after the GOP "stole" the nomination from Trump at the Republican National Convention. The first months of Trump's regime were chaotic, as he had a hostile political class attacking him at every turn. This allowed him to strongarm his way into absolute power, which he promptly used to have his enemies disposed of by various means. By the end of 2017, Trump was the absolute ruler of the United States, and he intended to make it greater than ever before.

American militarization was surprising to the world, but given the hostile position of China and Russia, it was justifiable in the eyes of the West. What surprised the world was the positive relationship between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which began as an agreement on the Middle East and eventually blossomed into an alliance. Trump made a deal with China, dividing the Korean peninsula after the North Koreans invaded the South. However, he alienated the West via his aggressive actions in North America, which brought the nationalist regime in Brazil on his side. Mexico and Cuba fell to the Americans without a shot, but after America's invasion of Canada, the British had had enough. While the rest of the European Union did not join the war, the British decided to go it alone. The Americans ignored them, opting instead to invade Latin America and secure it. The Americans did bomb Britain, but not enough to destroy the country.

The war changed form in 2024, when the Americans invaded China, and the Russians invaded the European Union. Both attacks were intended to destroy the only remaining obstacles to each country's hegemony, and both sides intended to divide the world between themselves, as it had been during the Cold War. These devastating surprise attacks have forced China and the EU into alliance with Britain.

The Americas have been secured by the Greater United States and their Brazilian allies. Both are dictatorships, although the Americans have a racial angle that the Brazilians do not. In American society, whites and Asians are at the top of society, with blacks underneath, Hispanics even further below, and Muslims of all races considered to be "enemies of the state," deported to American "re-education" camps in Alaska and Cuba. Likewise, political opponents - ranging from liberals to anti-Trump conservatives - are placed into camps. Resistance in Latin America is vicious, as the people naturally do not want to be reduced to slavery, leading to brutal American reprisal.

In Europe, the Russian advance goes well, as the European armies desperately attempt to rearm. The war has transformed the EU into a true federation - sans the UK, which left in 2017 - one under an emergency military government. Russia, likewise, is under a military government itself; the aging Putin does not have as much power as he used to. The Russians are far more concerned about the war in the Middle East, where Sunni, Shia and Islamic State forces have united against the Russian invasion in a "united front." The Russians have used chemical weapons on this front, in an attempt to mitigate the numbers advantage the Islamic alliance has.

The most brutal fighting in the world goes on in the East, where the totalitarian American and Chinese governments seek the total annihilation of the other. The Chinese navy is now under the sea, but their army is still massive. The Americans are outnumbered almost eight to one, but what they lack in numbers, they make up for with better technology, skill, and sheer brutality. Here, there are no rules of engagement; entire cities are bombarded with all manner of weapon of mass destruction, civilian and soldier alike are enslaved or killed, and no quarter is asked for or given. It is a war of annihilation.

The Allies are gradually losing the war. While they have agreed to make demands for unconditional surrender from the Nationalists, and not to make any separate peace, this is growing increasingly unrealistic. The Nationalists may have spread themselves thin, but British and European forces in particular are greatly depleted. The Russians are just waiting for the Chinese to lose a crucial battle before joining their American allies and getting a slice of the pie. And of course, the United States Navy rules the waves, and even if the Allies win in the Old World, they still have the New World secured. Things look bleak for the Allies, and Trump may just get his New Order.

 

[Bleh]

Exactly. It was a toungue-in-cheek representation of what quite a few people think might happen if Trump is elected, I wanted to see what people's reactions would be.

On an unrelated note, I have a map coming soon that is (marginally, some will probably say) far less asb than this. I am horrible at realism in maps either way.

Ah alright. Then I suppose the fault is mine for not catching the map's intent

 

[loneranger]

Is there anyone whose help I could enlist for creating a map?

 

[Spartakusbund1]

Is there anyone whose help I could enlist for creating a map?

What is it?

 

[loneranger]

What is it?

Could I pm you?

 

[Upvoteanthology]

Is there anyone whose help I could enlist for creating a map?

I do commissions.

 

[loneranger]

I do commissions.

Sorry, I'm bad at navigating DA: how does it work?