Honestly I don't see any genuine points for comparision. I mean yes, there are two countries that are divided because of ideology and Germany is rather strong, but Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg is too different from this little scenario of mine.
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Honestly I don't see any genuine points for comparision. I mean yes, there are two countries that are divided because of ideology and Germany is rather strong, but Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg is too different from this little scenario of mine.
This map is from a Timeline I have in development - whether I actually write it as I intend or not depends upon the conflict between studying and free time. Anyways:
The PoD is actually in 1925 but changes begin to take place in 1926 where the TUC is more divided and factional than OTL (actually quite difficult) this results in the MFGB breaking away and having a vicious series of strikes leading to left/right wing political polarisation in the United Kingdom. This leads to the formation of a Syndicalist "Common Wealth" socialist party by the left of Labour and the radicalised trade unions that becomes very popular with the failure of the Conservatives and the 1929 Economic Crash. Eventually by 1933 Eric Blair's Common Wealth government starts reforming the British Empire into a socialist image.
The result is that the British Empire is more left wing, followed Keynesian economics and more prepared militarily than OTL, it intervenes in the French Civil War on the side of the elected socialists in 1938 and thus by 1939 joins the Czechoslovakians against the Germans and becomes the main ally of the Kirovist Soviet Union in the "Long War/Great Anti-Fascist Struggle". Following the war the United Kingdom elects a strongly socialist government under Bevan and Attlee who create a technocratic welfare state with a partially integrated empire - this is followed by a left-wing consensus of governments making Britain a Soviet informal ally and highly protectionist with a distinct politically sourced culture.
Notes to follow.
The PoD is actually in 1925 but changes begin to take place in 1926 where the TUC is more divided and factional than OTL (actually quite difficult) this results in the MFGB breaking away and having a vicious series of strikes leading to left/right wing political polarisation in the United Kingdom. This leads to the formation of a Syndicalist "Common Wealth" socialist party by the left of Labour and the radicalised trade unions that becomes very popular with the failure of the Conservatives and the 1929 Economic Crash. Eventually by 1933 Eric Blair's Common Wealth government starts reforming the British Empire into a socialist image.
The result is that the British Empire is more left wing, followed Keynesian economics and more prepared militarily than OTL, it intervenes in the French Civil War on the side of the elected socialists in 1938 and thus by 1939 joins the Czechoslovakians against the Germans and becomes the main ally of the Kirovist Soviet Union in the "Long War/Great Anti-Fascist Struggle". Following the war the United Kingdom elects a strongly socialist government under Bevan and Attlee who create a technocratic welfare state with a partially integrated empire - this is followed by a left-wing consensus of governments making Britain a Soviet informal ally and highly protectionist with a distinct politically sourced culture.
Notes to follow.
If There Is Hope - Map Notes:
1. Alaska originally formed as an independent state nominally affiliated with the continuing (Southern) USA, but experiencing Soviet influence and increasing intervention they joined the British bloc by becoming a Canadian province.
2. Hyperboria is an experimental "canton", directly managed by the Imperial Parliament. A fully integrated Brotherhood of Nations anyone ?
3. Cascadia maintained a liberal inclination throughout the increasing isolationism and sectarian maelstrom of the majority of the USA - as such is decided to commit to the alternative government established in Chicago in 1984.
4. British intervention was crucial in securing Hawaii for Freedonia and preventing Japanese re-expansion.
5. California's union culture and socialist radicalism clashed badly with the military industry created during the Pacific War - the attempts of the government to oppress organised labour is partially behind the eventual Anarcho-Syndicalist nature of the country.
6. Deseret is a repressive military dictatorship that barely controls more than Salt Lake properly.
7. A warlord state dominated by neighbours and depressingly lacking in ambition, "communist" in the classic OTL Cold War style.
8. Mexico regained part of their losses but find this area difficult to control - the USA aligns itself with filibuster states that entrench themselves irregularly in border towns.
9. The "Reservation" is effectively a concentration camp system within a policed Bantustan, the population movements have made this area almost exclusively African-American.
10. The Farmer-Labor heartland somewhat dominates the Plains Confederacy, the other states are somewhat warlord-esque.
11. The FSA is proud but still finds itself accepting British advise and economic aid regularly - the scars of the Second Civil War are deep and lasting.
12. The "Free Kentucky Republic" didn't go too well being effectively a crater where the socialists and fascists expended uranium at one another - the enclave archipelago is a fully independent state though.
13. Puerto Rico working on the keeping head low policy.
14. Ecuador eventually regained its jungle claims, clearly four wars was worth it.
15. American aid to the Peruvian regime dried up when California was lost and the Andean communists began to ravage the countryside. Chilean intervention was welcomed and a unified state established.
16. Think Pol Pot, Stalin and Shining Path combined with regular attempts at Cultural revolution.
17. Chile since 1932 has been on the continual up - a British ally during the Long War and industrial heartland of South America.
18. Argentina tries not to fragment too regularly.
19. Your run of the mill efficient autocracy - have lost so much land they don't bother to claim it all.
20. Vargas Era never really kicked off - the revolution separated the American aligned Northern states from the newly communist South - although the south had guerrillas for a while.
21. Thinking of reforming to a corrupt democracy.
22. The United Kingdom is more culturally distinct and confident in this world, the legacy of socialist government and pride from the Long War along with the soft power and iconic British imperialist attitudes mixed with co-operative socialism across the world.
23. Norway was the first country to successfully repulse Nazi Germany with Soviet and British assistance.
24. Falangelist "Spain" has a serious chip on its shoulder about practically everything.
25. In the Long War the "Popular French" granted citizenship to significant numbers of loyal Algerians - some joined the Pied Noir and thus France hung onto this small colony.
26. France still holds grudges from treatment as a defeated combatant.
27. Catalonia works on a anarchist system - the volunteer workers militia are slightly chaotic and money is optional.
28. Greece was an Axis member ITTL and briefly was communist.
29. Italy swapped sides at just the right moment and thus became a valued Ally allowed to maintain Dalmatia and avoid punishment.
30. Soviet Union works on a policy of allowing cultural expression and dividing and conquering small sub-categories within ethnicities.
32. Except Rumania, they hate Rumania.
33. Egypt is the primary Arab power and since the Anglo-Egyptian treaties granting them Sudan have been as independent as possible.
34. Iraq long term is going to be screwed by angry neighbours.
35. These Tuareg rebels are proving to be a bitch. The countries affected are beginning to look suspiciously to rebel free Algeria.
36. Dictator with illusions of grandeur managed to wrest the former colonial border along with endemic separatist rebels.
37. Ethiopian Union focuses on improving infrastructure and is a major agricultural exporter.
38. British occasionally worry if Biafra was the right side to support and then go back to drinking Cola.
39. The West African Federation has a functioning parliamentary democracy within an inclusive federal structure and roughly profitable trade balances.
40. The Blair premiership integrated Uganda into the new British East Africa to balance the increasing numbers and political acumen of the settler population. However following the Long War a mass emigration scheme coupled with Indian enfranchisement led to the integration of EAF into the United Kingdom itself.
41. Angola is staging an African equivalent of the War of the Triple Alliance.
42. Soviet Pashtustan - asides from the rebels a fairly reasonable place to exist.
43. The Indian Empire is the result of clever management by the British who managed to leave a strong ally who acts as the fellow leader of the Brotherhood.
44. China is a rough democracy now but bears the scars of Japanese occupation and civil disunity between communists and the British aligned elements who managed to exploit the power vacuum left by the end of the Pacific War.
45. The USA has fallen - quick invade Cochin-China.
46. Communist Philippines are not proving to be a peaceful holiday for the boys in red. Elements still claim allegiance to the USA.
47. Manchuria is the hold out of the Axis styled KMT and their little paranoid military dictatorship, a relic whose official history is composed entirely of the war to regain the area from the Japanese.
48. The Pacific War ended with stalemate following the 1953 Japanese Nuclear bombing of the US invasion fleet. The empire has only grown worse over time.
49. Independent Pacific states struggle to be remembered.
50. Western Australia was supported by a more assertive British Crown and still loyally follows Norwich's lead.
51. The Socialist government in New Zealand is in serious discussions with the United Kingdom regarding integration as the seventh kingdom.
52. The Soviet Union is unquestionably one of the two great powers of the globe, relative lack of tension and thus military spending oiled the domestic economy and reformed communism is going strong.
53. Walvis Bay Free State - a curious eccentric amusement with elected monarchs.
54. Once Japanese support was withdrawn for the puppet Indonesian nationalist government and Dutch influence and soldiers fought their brutal war everything began to clusterfuck - presently a Islamic insurgency is being provoked by invading Aceh.
55. Kashmir - winter sports capital of the world.
1. Alaska originally formed as an independent state nominally affiliated with the continuing (Southern) USA, but experiencing Soviet influence and increasing intervention they joined the British bloc by becoming a Canadian province.
2. Hyperboria is an experimental "canton", directly managed by the Imperial Parliament. A fully integrated Brotherhood of Nations anyone ?
3. Cascadia maintained a liberal inclination throughout the increasing isolationism and sectarian maelstrom of the majority of the USA - as such is decided to commit to the alternative government established in Chicago in 1984.
4. British intervention was crucial in securing Hawaii for Freedonia and preventing Japanese re-expansion.
5. California's union culture and socialist radicalism clashed badly with the military industry created during the Pacific War - the attempts of the government to oppress organised labour is partially behind the eventual Anarcho-Syndicalist nature of the country.
6. Deseret is a repressive military dictatorship that barely controls more than Salt Lake properly.
7. A warlord state dominated by neighbours and depressingly lacking in ambition, "communist" in the classic OTL Cold War style.
8. Mexico regained part of their losses but find this area difficult to control - the USA aligns itself with filibuster states that entrench themselves irregularly in border towns.
9. The "Reservation" is effectively a concentration camp system within a policed Bantustan, the population movements have made this area almost exclusively African-American.
10. The Farmer-Labor heartland somewhat dominates the Plains Confederacy, the other states are somewhat warlord-esque.
11. The FSA is proud but still finds itself accepting British advise and economic aid regularly - the scars of the Second Civil War are deep and lasting.
12. The "Free Kentucky Republic" didn't go too well being effectively a crater where the socialists and fascists expended uranium at one another - the enclave archipelago is a fully independent state though.
13. Puerto Rico working on the keeping head low policy.
14. Ecuador eventually regained its jungle claims, clearly four wars was worth it.
15. American aid to the Peruvian regime dried up when California was lost and the Andean communists began to ravage the countryside. Chilean intervention was welcomed and a unified state established.
16. Think Pol Pot, Stalin and Shining Path combined with regular attempts at Cultural revolution.
17. Chile since 1932 has been on the continual up - a British ally during the Long War and industrial heartland of South America.
18. Argentina tries not to fragment too regularly.
19. Your run of the mill efficient autocracy - have lost so much land they don't bother to claim it all.
20. Vargas Era never really kicked off - the revolution separated the American aligned Northern states from the newly communist South - although the south had guerrillas for a while.
21. Thinking of reforming to a corrupt democracy.
22. The United Kingdom is more culturally distinct and confident in this world, the legacy of socialist government and pride from the Long War along with the soft power and iconic British imperialist attitudes mixed with co-operative socialism across the world.
23. Norway was the first country to successfully repulse Nazi Germany with Soviet and British assistance.
24. Falangelist "Spain" has a serious chip on its shoulder about practically everything.
25. In the Long War the "Popular French" granted citizenship to significant numbers of loyal Algerians - some joined the Pied Noir and thus France hung onto this small colony.
26. France still holds grudges from treatment as a defeated combatant.
27. Catalonia works on a anarchist system - the volunteer workers militia are slightly chaotic and money is optional.
28. Greece was an Axis member ITTL and briefly was communist.
29. Italy swapped sides at just the right moment and thus became a valued Ally allowed to maintain Dalmatia and avoid punishment.
30. Soviet Union works on a policy of allowing cultural expression and dividing and conquering small sub-categories within ethnicities.
32. Except Rumania, they hate Rumania.
33. Egypt is the primary Arab power and since the Anglo-Egyptian treaties granting them Sudan have been as independent as possible.
34. Iraq long term is going to be screwed by angry neighbours.
35. These Tuareg rebels are proving to be a bitch. The countries affected are beginning to look suspiciously to rebel free Algeria.
36. Dictator with illusions of grandeur managed to wrest the former colonial border along with endemic separatist rebels.
37. Ethiopian Union focuses on improving infrastructure and is a major agricultural exporter.
38. British occasionally worry if Biafra was the right side to support and then go back to drinking Cola.
39. The West African Federation has a functioning parliamentary democracy within an inclusive federal structure and roughly profitable trade balances.
40. The Blair premiership integrated Uganda into the new British East Africa to balance the increasing numbers and political acumen of the settler population. However following the Long War a mass emigration scheme coupled with Indian enfranchisement led to the integration of EAF into the United Kingdom itself.
41. Angola is staging an African equivalent of the War of the Triple Alliance.
42. Soviet Pashtustan - asides from the rebels a fairly reasonable place to exist.
43. The Indian Empire is the result of clever management by the British who managed to leave a strong ally who acts as the fellow leader of the Brotherhood.
44. China is a rough democracy now but bears the scars of Japanese occupation and civil disunity between communists and the British aligned elements who managed to exploit the power vacuum left by the end of the Pacific War.
45. The USA has fallen - quick invade Cochin-China.
46. Communist Philippines are not proving to be a peaceful holiday for the boys in red. Elements still claim allegiance to the USA.
47. Manchuria is the hold out of the Axis styled KMT and their little paranoid military dictatorship, a relic whose official history is composed entirely of the war to regain the area from the Japanese.
48. The Pacific War ended with stalemate following the 1953 Japanese Nuclear bombing of the US invasion fleet. The empire has only grown worse over time.
49. Independent Pacific states struggle to be remembered.
50. Western Australia was supported by a more assertive British Crown and still loyally follows Norwich's lead.
51. The Socialist government in New Zealand is in serious discussions with the United Kingdom regarding integration as the seventh kingdom.
52. The Soviet Union is unquestionably one of the two great powers of the globe, relative lack of tension and thus military spending oiled the domestic economy and reformed communism is going strong.
53. Walvis Bay Free State - a curious eccentric amusement with elected monarchs.
54. Once Japanese support was withdrawn for the puppet Indonesian nationalist government and Dutch influence and soldiers fought their brutal war everything began to clusterfuck - presently a Islamic insurgency is being provoked by invading Aceh.
55. Kashmir - winter sports capital of the world.
Map Thread V was still going when I started lurking....
I liked the "official" feel of it, and the complex symbols.
If you have to improve something, I'd say that the cloud-shaped region is too similar in color to the ocean, but that might be intentional; I don't know.
I liked the "official" feel of it, and the complex symbols.
If you have to improve something, I'd say that the cloud-shaped region is too similar in color to the ocean, but that might be intentional; I don't know.
GIS! *eyetwitch*
I despise it. Way too many levels of things needed to do anything. I think they tried to make a program that could do everything, but that means there's like 40 categories of options and the categories within them, so unless you have very clear instructions it can take an hour to find the tool that you need.
Alex Richards
Donor
Rather than the British and Australians who are closer, not having to contend with a Nazi invasion and don't have French Indochina to secure?
It's not that the French are invading Libya that's an issue (if anything in Africa is fundamentally a problem then it's that the Germans have somehow taken over the Moroccan and Tunisian protectorates), it's that the French are advancing along the entire border in a near uniform manner completely ignoring all geography and strategic goals and thus occupying large chunks of completely worthless desert rather than pushing forward to take the only major town in the entire southern half of the country.
Burgundy is Burgundy, but Prussia isn't Prussian Blue?
That's because Prussia isn't suffering from depression yet.
Interesting having the Spanish control both Iberia and the traditional homeland of the other Iberians.
What's the year?
I stopped playing that particular game in the late 17th Century. Can't give you an exact year though.
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Nice map, even if it is a bit disorientating looking at upside-down Europe. Yes, I know some cultures used south instead of north in their maps, but I'm not one of those societies.
Repost of unanswered question from previous map thread.
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Originally Posted by Ephraim Ben Raphael
That is an insanely good map. My hat is off to you, sir.
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Originally Posted by Hominid
Amazing map, Transparent Blue.
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Originally Posted by Alex Richards
Fantastic map TB.
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Originally Posted by Will Brawner
That's an amazing map. I can't wait to find out what's under the cloudy area.
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Originally Posted by Thande
Very impressive map.
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Originally Posted by Goldstein
Great, now I have to clean all the drool from my keyboard.
Okay that's cool and all but not the most constructive of responses...
Care to elaborate? What did you like? What could I improve?
Edit: Will Brawner, you can find out what's in the hidden area in Vexacus's original TL.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephraim Ben Raphael
That is an insanely good map. My hat is off to you, sir.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominid
Amazing map, Transparent Blue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Richards
Fantastic map TB.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Brawner
That's an amazing map. I can't wait to find out what's under the cloudy area.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thande
Very impressive map.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldstein
Great, now I have to clean all the drool from my keyboard.
Okay that's cool and all but not the most constructive of responses...
Care to elaborate? What did you like? What could I improve?
Edit: Will Brawner, you can find out what's in the hidden area in Vexacus's original TL.
Repost of unanswered question from previous map thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephraim Ben Raphael
That is an insanely good map. My hat is off to you, sir.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominid
Amazing map, Transparent Blue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Richards
Fantastic map TB.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Brawner
That's an amazing map. I can't wait to find out what's under the cloudy area.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thande
Very impressive map.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldstein
Great, now I have to clean all the drool from my keyboard.
Okay that's cool and all but not the most constructive of responses...
Care to elaborate? What did you like? What could I improve?
Edit: Will Brawner, you can find out what's in the hidden area in Vexacus's original TL.
I responded above.
Nice: what goes on in Yugoslavia? And what's with the separate India-centered and British-Russian nuclear programs?
You're missing 31.
Freedonia: President Rufus T. Firefly?
Bruce
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I'm not as sure on the NE state but the South and NW ones are really nice looking. Up there with Peru and Kenya.
Dorozhand
Banned
Map of Land Reclamation in the Socialist People's Republic of the Netherlands, 1997
(Don't let the name fool you, the Communist world here is a lot nicer than OTL, having a good standard of living, political and civil freedom, and a strong economy coming out of the post-war rebuilding-era in the 1970s)
(Don't let the name fool you, the Communist world here is a lot nicer than OTL, having a good standard of living, political and civil freedom, and a strong economy coming out of the post-war rebuilding-era in the 1970s)
A map of the internet. Who wants to do an UCS version?
http://media2.policymic.com/f527302eee5c7c868aeba1094562fc8b.jpg
http://media2.policymic.com/f527302eee5c7c868aeba1094562fc8b.jpg
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