List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
At least spain Will be sparred the mess that was the 80 years war.

Suggestion: The surviving son of Joao III and Catherine of Austria lives to old age.
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I'm going to take a nap after this one, but will do, I suppose one more post for now.

John III of Portugal (b. 1502 d. 1557) m. Catherine of Austria (b. 1507 d. 1578)
  1. Alfonso VI of Portugal (b. 1526 d. 1591) m. Joanna of Austria (b. 1535 d. 1574)
  2. Infanta Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) m. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598)
  3. Infanta Isabel of Portugal (b. 1529 d. 1571) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528 d. 1580)
  4. Infanta Beatriz of Portugal (b. 1530 d. 1550)
  5. Manuel of Portugal, Duke of Guarda (b. 1531 d. 1583)
  6. Infante Philip of Portugal (b. 1533 d. 1600)
  7. Infante Denis of Portugal (b. 1535 d. 1585)
  8. Infante João of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1583)
  9. Infante Antonio of Portugal (b. 1539 d. 1604)
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
I'm going to take a nap after this one, but will do, I suppose one more post for now.

John III of Portugal (b. 1502 d. 1557) m. Catherine of Austria (b. 1507 d. 1578)
  1. Alfonso VI of Portugal (b. 1526 d. 1591) m. Joanna of Austria (b. 1535 d. 1574)
  2. Infanta Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) m. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598)
  3. Infanta Isabel of Portugal (b. 1529 d. 1571) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528 d. 1580)
  4. Infanta Beatriz of Portugal (b. 1530 d. 1550)
  5. Manuel of Portugal, Duke of Guarda (b. 1531 d. 1583)
  6. Infante Philip of Portugal (b. 1533 d. 1600)
  7. Infante Denis of Portugal (b. 1535 d. 1585)
  8. Infante João of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1583)
  9. Infante Antonio of Portugal (b. 1539 d. 1604)
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Nice
 

isabella

Nova_Philomena said:
I'm going to take a nap after this one, but will do, I suppose one more post for now.

John III of Portugal (b. 1502 d. 1557) m. Catherine of Austria (b. 1507 d. 1578)
  1. Alfonso VI of Portugal (b. 1526 d. 1591) m. Joanna of Austria (b. 1535 d. 1574)
  2. Infanta Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) m. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598)
  3. Infanta Isabel of Portugal (b. 1529 d. 1571) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528 d. 1580)
  4. Infanta Beatriz of Portugal (b. 1530 d. 1550)
  5. Manuel of Portugal, Duke of Guarda (b. 1531 d. 1583)
  6. Infante Philip of Portugal (b. 1533 d. 1600)
  7. Infante Denis of Portugal (b. 1535 d. 1585)
  8. Infante João of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1583)
  9. Infante Antonio of Portugal (b. 1539 d. 1604)
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Joanna is far too young for John III’s firstborn. He need to marry Maria with all the consequences of such match
 

isabella

Nova_Philomena said:
Prompt: Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor accepts the Farnese Family's offer of Vittoria Farnese as a second bride.

Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500 d. 1558) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503 d. 1539) and Vittoria Farnese (b. 1519 d. 1602)
  1. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598) m. Maria Manuela, Princess of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) m. Mary I of England (b. 1516 d. 1558) m. Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1546 d. 1568) and Anna of Austria (b. 1549 d. 1580)
  2. Maria of Austria (b. 1528 d. 1603) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1527 d. 1576)
  3. Ferdinand of Austria (b. 1529 d. 1530)
  4. Stillborn Son (1534 d. 1534)
  5. Joanna of Austria, Princess of Portugal (b. 1535 d. 1573) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1554)
  6. Juan of Austria (b. 1537 d. 1538)
  7. Stillborn Son (b. 1539 d. 1539)
  8. Charles III, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1541 d. 1600) m. Renata of Lorraine (b. 1544 d. 1602)
  9. Eleanor of Austria (b. 1542 d. 1593)
  10. Ferdinand I, Duke of Milan (b. 1544 d. 1595) m. Victoire of Valois (b. 1556 d. 1605)
  11. Stillborn Daughter (b. 1545 d. 1545)
  12. Vittoria of Austria (b. 1546 d. 1550)
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Philip II can not make his OTL marriages with younger half-brothers around as the match with Mary is pretty much ASB here. He would be likely remarried to Maria of Viseu or Marguerite of France in the years after Maria Manuela‘s death and in any case Mary would not look to Spain for an husband (she originally wanted Charles not Philip and was not convinced to marry him. She agreed to the match only when Charles gave to his son the Crown of Naples for making him a King in his own right and promised the Netherlands as inheritance for Philip and Mary’s children. Here Mary will likely sought the future Emperor Ferdinand as husband)
 

Kellan Sullivan

Nova_Philomena said:
I'm going to take a nap after this one, but will do, I suppose one more post for now.

John III of Portugal (b. 1502 d. 1557) m. Catherine of Austria (b. 1507 d. 1578)
  1. Alfonso VI of Portugal (b. 1526 d. 1591) m. Joanna of Austria (b. 1535 d. 1574)
  2. Infanta Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) m. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598)
  3. Infanta Isabel of Portugal (b. 1529 d. 1571) m. Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528 d. 1580)
  4. Infanta Beatriz of Portugal (b. 1530 d. 1550)
  5. Manuel of Portugal, Duke of Guarda (b. 1531 d. 1583)
  6. Infante Philip of Portugal (b. 1533 d. 1600)
  7. Infante Denis of Portugal (b. 1535 d. 1585)
  8. Infante João of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1583)
  9. Infante Antonio of Portugal (b. 1539 d. 1604)
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@Jan Olbracht and @isabella can correct me, but I suspect that Affonso VI would be married to Marguerite de Valois instead of waiting a decade to marry Juana. Especially since there was a point in the 1540s when it looked like Catalina would die and François suggested his youngest daughter. Also, after Karl V rejected her [Marguerite] in 1540 (François pressed the suit when Karl was in Paris, still in mourning for Isabel), I suspect the French would demand a "token sacrifice"
 

Kellan Sullivan

Probably ASB, but I love me some Hans of Denmark (1518-1532) surviving:

Hans, Governor of the Netherlands [1545[1]-1552], Prince of Denmark, Sweden & Norway (1518-1552) 1m: 1541 [2] Marguerite de France (b.1523)

Klaudia (b.1542) m: 1560 Felipe II, King of Spain [3] (1527-1598)​
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Isabel (b.1563)​
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Stillborn Son (1565)​
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Juan, Duke of Burgundy [as Jean II, from 1598] (1568-1618) m:​
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Stillborn Son (1569)​
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Margarita (b.1572)​
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Felipe (1574-1582)​
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Johann (1543-1545)​
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Karl, King of Denmark & Norway [from 1563 [4] (b.1544) m: 1560 Anna of Saxony (b.1544)​
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Margrethe (b.1561)​
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Christian (1563-1567)​
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Morits (b.1564)​
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Anna (b.1566)​
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Stillborn Daughter (1567)​
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Carl (b.1569)​
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Kristina (b.1571)​
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Margarethe (b.1545) m: 1563 [5] Adolph, Duke of Holstein-Gottorp (1545-1586)​
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Sophie (1564-1622)​
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Frederik (1568-1577)​
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Stillborn Daughter (1570)​
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Philippa (b.1572)​
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Christian, Duke of Holstein-Gottorp (b.1574)​
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Christian (1547-1552)​
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Stillborn Son (1548)​
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Franz, Governor of the Netherlands [1576-1592] (1550-1592) m: 1573 Marie Eleonore of Cleves (b.1550)​
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Margarethe (1575-1589)​
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Franz (1577-1582)​
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Eleonore (1580-1605)​
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Christian Philipp, Duke of Cleves [from 1609] (b.1582)​
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Franz (1584-1586)​
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Isabella (b.1585)​
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[1] Karl V accepts one of his sister, the Queen of Hungary's resignation requests
[2] as OTL, François proposes his sole surviving daughter for Karl V as he passes through Paris. Karl refuses, but suggests his nephew, Hans, in his entourage instead. François is not pleased by the idea of a match with a "landless" prince, but given that his sisters are duchess of Lorraine and Electress Palatine, figures it could be worse.
[3] Mary Tudor lives slightly longer, so Élisabeth de Valois and D. Carlos marry (OTL Kristina of Denmark was attempting to marry her own daughter to Felipe II as a third wife)
[4] Frederik II dies in one of his drinking bouts, with no issue. His brother, Magnus, and his mother, Dorothea of Saxe-Lauenburg's ship sank en route to Sweden. Leaving his brother, Johann of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plön as heir. However, into the dispute between the two Johanns (Frederik II's brother and his uncle, Johann of Schleswig-Holstein-Haderslev) Karl's name is touted as a third candidate. Nobody's convinced, but the fact that he's male, married to a Lutheran (at least), technically the senior-most heir to Denmark, and brings connections at a time when Denmark is increasingly diplomatically isolated...oh, and he has a son, means he sort of wins out by default (even if nobody is particularly thrilled)
[5] marriage arranged to ensure Adolph's support for Karl. Was not a particularly happy one due to mismatched temperaments (religious and personality-wise)

@King of Danes @Nuraghe @isabella
 

isabella

Kellan Sullivan said:
@Jan Olbracht and @isabella can correct me, but I suspect that Affonso VI would be married to Marguerite de Valois instead of waiting a decade to marry Juana. Especially since there was a point in the 1540s when it looked like Catalina would die and François suggested his youngest daughter. Also, after Karl V rejected her [Marguerite] in 1540 (François pressed the suit when Karl was in Paris, still in mourning for Isabel), I suspect the French would demand a "token sacrifice"
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I think who Alfonso would marry Maria of Austria without any discussion of other matches for either of them, but between Marguerite and Juana without doubt the first
 

lost_in_night_dreams

Dragonboy said:
Suggestion: All the children of Isabella and Ferndinand survive
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Isabella I of Castile (1451 - 1504) married Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452- 1516)
  1. Isabella (b. 1470) married Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1475 - 1491) without issue.
  2. John III, King of Castile, Aragon and Navarre (b. 1475) married Catherine, Queen of Navarre (b. 1468) with issue
  3. Ferdinand III, King of Sicily and Naples (1478 - 1522) married a) Joanna III of Naples (1478 - 1510) with issue b) Bona Sforza (b. 1494) with issue.
  4. Joanna (b. 1479) married Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469) with issue.
  5. Maria (b. 1482) married Franz I, Duke of Burgundy and Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1481) with issue [1]
  6. Alfonso (b. 1482) married ?
  7. Catherine (b. 1485) married Arthur I, King of England (b. 1486) with issue.
[1] Philip dies in infancy, but Franz lives.
 
Happiness

Happiness

lost_in_night_dreams said:
Isabella I of Castile (1451 - 1504) married Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452- 1516)
  1. Isabella (b. 1470) married Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1475 - 1491) without issue.
  2. John III, King of Castile, Aragon and Navarre (b. 1475) married Catherine, Queen of Navarre (b. 1468) with issue
  3. Ferdinand III, King of Sicily and Naples (1478 - 1522) married a) Joanna III of Naples (1478 - 1510) with issue b) Bona Sforza (b. 1494) with issue.
  4. Joanna (b. 1479) married Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469) with issue.
  5. Maria (b. 1482) married Franz I, Duke of Burgundy and Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1481) with issue [1]
  6. Alfonso (b. 1482) married ?
  7. Catherine (b. 1485) married Arthur I, King of England (b. 1486) with issue.
[1] Philip dies in infancy, but Franz lives.
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Great! Catherine and Arthur rule together! ❤️ Can you make a Tudor family tree?
 

Dragonboy

lost_in_night_dreams said:
Isabella I of Castile (1451 - 1504) married Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452- 1516)
  1. Isabella (b. 1470) married Afonso, Prince of Portugal (1475 - 1491) without issue.
  2. John III, King of Castile, Aragon and Navarre (b. 1475) married Catherine, Queen of Navarre (b. 1468) with issue
  3. Ferdinand III, King of Sicily and Naples (1478 - 1522) married a) Joanna III of Naples (1478 - 1510) with issue b) Bona Sforza (b. 1494) with issue.
  4. Joanna (b. 1479) married Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469) with issue.
  5. Maria (b. 1482) married Franz I, Duke of Burgundy and Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1481) with issue [1]
  6. Alfonso (b. 1482) married ?
  7. Catherine (b. 1485) married Arthur I, King of England (b. 1486) with issue.
[1] Philip dies in infancy, but Franz lives.
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Amazing work! Suggestion: Alexander I of russia has children
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

isabella said:
Here Mary will likely sought the future Emperor Ferdinand as husband
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And now I got inspired...

Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1503) 1m: 1521 Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1547); 2m: 1554 Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516)

[1m.] as OTL​
[2m.] Katherine I, Queen of England (b. 1555) m. Ernest, Archduke of Austria (b. 1553)​
Ferdinand II, King of England (b. 1572) m. Marie Elisabeth, Princess of France (b. 1572)​
Mary, Princess of England (b. 1573) m. Philip III, King of Spain (b. 1578)​
[2m.] Joanna Isabella, Princess of England (b. 1558) m. Henry III, King of France (b. 1551)​
Francis III, King of France (b. 1577) 1m: 1591 Catherine Renata, Archduchess of Austria (1576-1599); 2m: 1600 Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1582)​
 

Dragonboy

ordinarylittleme said:
And now I got inspired...

Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1503) 1m: 1521 Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1547); 2m: 1554 Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516)

[1m.] as OTL​
[2m.] Katherine I, Queen of England (b. 1555) m. Ernest, Archduke of Austria (b. 1553)​
Ferdinand II, King of England (b. 1572) m. Marie Elisabeth, Princess of France (b. 1572)​
Mary, Princess of England (b. 1573) m. Philip III, King of Spain (b. 1578)​
[2m.] Joanna Isabella, Princess of England (b. 1558) m. Henry III, King of France (b. 1551)​
Francis III, King of France (b. 1577) 1m: 1591 Catherine Renata, Archduchess of Austria (1576-1599); 2m: 1600 Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1582)​
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Yay! england stays catholic! And what happens to Bess?
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Casimir of Pomerania m. Kenna of Lithuania(a) Margaret of Mazovia(b)

1a. Wladyslaw of Pomerania b. 1368 m. Mary of Hungary and Poland b. 1371[1](a)
Mary of Hungary marries Wladyslaw of Pomerania, corollary to the marriage was the marriage of Jadwiga of Hungary to Jogaila.

@Jan Olbracht @Zygmunt Stary
 
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Jan Olbracht

Catherine of France (1428-1473) m. Charles (1433-1480) Duke of Burgundy

1) Isabella (1450-1512) m. Nicholas (1448-1479) Duke of Lorraine

2) Philip (1452-1476) Count of Charolais, m. Anne of Savoy (1455-1480)

3) Mary (1453-1508) m. Francis II (1435-1488) Duke of Brittany

4) Catherine (1455-1458)

5) Margaret (1458-1517) m. Albert IV (1447-1508) Duke of Bavaria

6) Catherine (1460)

7) Joan (1463-1499) m. Louis XII (1466-1513) King of France [1]

8) John II (1465-1502) Duke of Burgundy, m. Elizabeth of England (1466-1523)


[1] Son of Louis XI
 
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