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Smart moves. Training pilots and mechanics (the pursuit group is for the PIAF) and the costs of spares and shops for an additional pursuit group is both more time consuming and more expensive than making significant improvements in the PI army. Similarly doing the same to set up that group of the offshore patrol is even more time consuming and expensive. (1) Hopefully the existing PI Air Force units will be getting better trained, and the USAAF will be expanded somewhat and the training will be improved and the basing improved including dispersal plans and revetments etc. Similarly the USN should be in better shape to deal with seaward defenses, although still outmatched by the IJN here.

(1) Wasn't the patrol to be "naval" not army. Also, destroyers would be overkill for an offshore patrol - smaller units would be better especially as the naval forces have to be started from scratch.
 
Smart moves. Training pilots and mechanics (the pursuit group is for the PIAF) and the costs of spares and shops for an additional pursuit group is both more time consuming and more expensive than making significant improvements in the PI army. Similarly doing the same to set up that group of the offshore patrol is even more time consuming and expensive. (1) Hopefully the existing PI Air Force units will be getting better trained, and the USAAF will be expanded somewhat and the training will be improved and the basing improved including dispersal plans and revetments etc. Similarly the USN should be in better shape to deal with seaward defenses, although still outmatched by the IJN here.

(1) Wasn't the patrol to be "naval" not army. Also, destroyers would be overkill for an offshore patrol - smaller units would be better especially as the naval forces have to be started from scratch.
My goal with this piece is to take the butterfly of an additional $25 million in cash that will probably start producing product flow by early winter 1941 and force it to be spent on "boring" things that have high pay-off and to avoid silver bullets of dropping a tank division onto Luzon.

And yes, the Off Shore Patrol is the maritime arm of the Philippine's Army. It is getting reinforced by the up to 6,000 tons of minor war vessels that can be transferred.
 
The USA won't send the NG tank unit to the PI? As I understand it was effective when used properly, even the somewhat crappy tanks were better than anything the Japanese had and of course against infantry without support quite useful. When you go back to Bataan, they can be used as a mobile reserve to plug gaps, and when fuel is exhausted dug in as fixed bunkers.
 
The USA won't send the NG tank unit to the PI? As I understand it was effective when used properly, even the somewhat crappy tanks were better than anything the Japanese had and of course against infantry without support quite useful. When you go back to Bataan, they can be used as a mobile reserve to plug gaps, and when fuel is exhausted dug in as fixed bunkers.
The US may send a tank battalion or two from the US National Guard manned by American soldiers and part of the US Army to the Philippines but they will not stand up a Philippine Army tank division.
 
@fester what a thread you got here. Read it from the beginning to now and you are doing a great job. The French fleet in Martinique will be completely full in her harbor. Guadalupe island can also hold some ships there until maybe the french reenter the war by 1941. Vice Admiral Labourde will be on board the Richelieu. Also Vice Admiral Godfroy would join the Mediterrenean fleet since he have lots of respect to Admiral Cunningham.
 
Whilst there is not much industrial capacity in the Philippines there is bound to be some. They could be pressed into service to produce some war materials which would have the effect of boosting the local economy.
 
Whilst there is not much industrial capacity in the Philippines there is bound to be some. They could be pressed into service to produce some war materials which would have the effect of boosting the local economy.

Agree completely. Ammunition and other high consumption rate items that are within reach of local industry. Of course if the industry has to be created and serves army needs, why not put it in the new Bataan Industrial Park? Along with the new, improved granaries and fish canning plant of course.

"Why yes, the BIP does happen to be within the zone we plan to defend to the last man and the last round, why do you ask?" Says the Quartermaster. "No it is not because we want our fresh food and ammunition production inside the defence perimeter if the Japanese invade, why would you think that?"
 
I enjoy reading this timeline every day. While I understand that the plan was to fall back to Bataan, was there any plans to leave selected groups behind to gather intelligence and to sabotage the Japanese supplies. It is my understanding that Japan was stretched by all of the campaigns. So if they have to divert more troops to guard supply dumps and conveys, then there are fewer troops to attack Bataan. Also as a worst case scenario, they would be a core group to continue a resistance.

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The reason I suggested at some point splitting the command structure between Luzon/Northern PI and Southern PI, with the idea that the Japanese can't then have all forces in the PI surrender when Bataan and Corregidor fall. In this scenario, the conquest of Luzon & northern areas takes longer due to better planning and no Mac "paralysis" etc. At this point the Japanese have already moved a fair number of forces to their attacks in SEA for the "resource area" and this includes naval vessels and transports. OTL the Japanese could send relatively small numbers of infantry with minimal "heavy" support in confiscated coastal steamers to occupy the Southern PI. While the forces in the Southern PI won't be heavily resisting landings, simply the fact that these islands all have to be "conquered" rather than merely "occupied" represents a huge problem for Japan. Doing this conquering will require more troops, more supplies, more heavy support (artillery etc), naval support, air support etc. Where does this support come from? If Japan diverts resources to do this, their key effort in SEA has to suffer - OTL even the lesser resistance (compared to ITTL) in Bataan upset the Japanese whop pulled troops even before the PI had completely surrendered.
 
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July 17, 1940 Central Mediterranean

Sixty nine Italian bombers had successfully dropped on the fleet over the course of the afternoon. The three Gladiators, the only carrier capable fighters in the Eastern Mediterranean claimed a single kill and the heavy anti-aircraft guns of the battleships and cruisers claimed two more. Thankfully, the Italians had neither mastered the lesson of mass nor the art of dive bombing. The attack was from 12,000 feet and the level bombers attempted to shotgun the battleships. Malaya took minor damage from a light bomb that exploded thirty yards from her bow. Gloucester was drenched by a stack of bombs that missed her by half a football pitch. Freshly repaired Neptune was damaged yet again as a bomb exploded between her B turret and the bridge. Twenty seven men died instantly, another sixty were wounded. She left under her own power with a single destroyer as her guide back to Alexandria. Darkness provided cover as the merchant ships and their close escort continued onto Malta.

Admiral Cunningham had been told by the Admiralty that a major Italian force was at sea so he took his three battleships, Eagle, and five cruisers north to hunt for the enemy and closely engage them. He intended to place his force between the Italian base at Taranto and the direct sea route to Benghazi. He intended to catch them coming or going.
 
My goal with this piece is to take the butterfly of an additional $25 million in cash that will probably start producing product flow by early winter 1941 and force it to be spent on "boring" things that have high pay-off and to avoid silver bullets of dropping a tank division onto Luzon.

And yes, the Off Shore Patrol is the maritime arm of the Philippine's Army. It is getting reinforced by the up to 6,000 tons of minor war vessels that can be transferred.
Could some of that money be spent on building something like the 136 foot USN SC's from WWI! For this Philippines?
 
A great timeline fester, missed finding this one before, I have caught up on it in the last two days.

p.s. Is there any reason you have not asked to have this switched to the post 1900 forum?
 
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July 18, 1940 0930 Off of Dover


The destroyer twisted and turned. Funnels of fire erupted from her machine guns. Her single pom-pom flung steel upwards. The German dive bombers were not deterred in their first major thrust across the Channel since the evacuations that they could not prevent. They had claimed a battleship and now they were claiming half a dozen barges. RAF Spitfires were furiously turning and clawing at the escorting Messerschmidts while a squadron of Hurricanes ripped through the second squadron before they dove on HMS Venetia.

Her defenses were not enough. As the last dive bomber pulled up and raced for home four hundred feet over the waves, her bow was broken and her bridge was on fire from the three hits she had taken. Some men had been able to scramble over the sides of the ship and into the waters of the Channel but not many as her aft magazine exploded when the last Stuka was eight miles away from her sudden grave.

The Battle of Britain had begun.
 
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July 18, 1940 1300 off of Calabria


The cruisers had stormed into each other and then backed off, throwing shells out of guns elevated at forty and fifty degrees. They danced between water spouts and shook as metallic hail pinged across their decks. Radios were blaring their location and more importantly the location of their enemies. They were fighting, they were willing to die and deal death to their enemies but neither the Italian nor British cruisers were the main event. They were a necessary preliminary as the battle wagons converged.

Warspite plowed through the seas at twenty three knots while her unmodernized sister, Malaya trailed behind her as she strained to make twenty knots. Behind her Royal Sovereign tried to clear eighteen knots. She would hold that speed for a few minutes and then ease back to seventeen knots. As the cruisers spat shells at each other, the supporting battleships closed.

Three Swordfish from Eagle circled the battleship. One biplane spotter per battleship and they talked to confirm their communication. The observers could see the battle spread out beneath them. A cruiser action had started when the six inch gun cruisers of the Royal Navy had crossed the T of a heavy cruiser division. The first three minutes of heavy fire had scored a pair of hits on the lead Italian cruiser before they were able to turn and present their broadside. Since then both squadrons had been content to hold the range open to seventeen to nineteen thousand yards with the hope of a lucky hit crippling a single opponent. But off to the south, three battleships were converging on the Italian cruiser course. Two were old veterans of the First World War, under-armed and armored but fast as the battlecruisers of Doggers Bank. It was the last ship that was the greatest threat, Littorio was coming to the engagement.

Nine Swordfish bore in on the most dangerous threat. 37mm cannons spat out defiantly at the low and slow torpedo bombers that had to ride through the Balaclavan valley of flames. First one, then another and a third torpedo bomber hit the water before they could launch. Six planes pressed closer. As they came to within thirteen hundred yards, the squadron leader’s craft nosed down into the water as a 37mm shell pierced the engine and then his torso. Five torpedoes entered the water. One hit just forward of the bridge, barely slowing the battleship as most of the warhead’s power was dissipated by the torpedo defense system. The other four missed.

Warspite continued to speed ahead of support. She turned when her fire control shack said the range to the closest battleship was twenty eight thousand yards. All four turrets shifted slightly and the forward two erupted as the first ranging salvo reached for Giulio Cesar. They missed but not by much. The second half salvo from the rear turrets were again misses, slightly short and forward.

By the time the second full broadside had been fired, Giulio Cesar returned fire. Her shells were short but on azimuth. They traded salvos for four minutes without success when Littorio turned and began to close the range on Royal Sovereign and Malaya. As the new, freshly worked up battleship trained her 15 inch guns on Malaya, Warspite scored her first hit. An armored piercing shell went through Giulio Cesar’s armored deck and exploded near the forward engine room. Two boilers had their flames extinguished and the light battleship slowed to nineteen knots.

Warspite could not move in for the kill as her sisters were endangered. 100 foot shell splashes coated the veteran of Jutland’s decks. Malaya fired at Littorio when the Italian behemoth had closed to twenty seven thousand yards. Her guns roared back at the extreme edge of their range, her shells falling short by a mile. As Warspite turned and closed, her rear turrets peppered Giulio Cesar with near misses. Her forward guns paused for a moment and then a minute and then two more as Malaya dodged the heavy fire that targeted her. Warspite roared. Four 1,938 pound shells arced skyward towards Littorio. As they arced, Malaya shuddered. An Italian shell hit her deck forward of the turrets. It exploded three decks deep and Malaya shook as smoke came through her deck.

Littorio could not pursue her kill. Warspite first salvo missed. However the miss was near enough as the shells landed in a tight circle two hundred yards in front of the battleship. She had already taken a torpedo and Warspite’s guns could penetrate her deck from long range.

As she turned and presented her strength to Warspite, another two salvos landed near Malaya. Eighteen shells landed and three straddled but most went long. Warspite’s batteries were firing rapidly at Littorio to no avail as her enemy opened the range. Pursuit was not pursued for both the pragmatic reason that Littorio had far more speed to flee than Warspite had to chase and her sisters were too weak and vulnerable to Littorio. Gulio Cesar edged west behind the shadow of protection offered by her more modern sister.

Instead, Royal Sovereign and Malaya formed up on Warspite and they pushed north to support the cruisers in action. As their heavy guns began to begin the process of ranging in on the Italian heavy cruisers, Italian destroyers laid down a thick smoke screen and the cruisers turned away. Two heavy cruisers had suffered moderate damage as Glouscester had an excellent string of salvos that placed half a dozen six inch shells into Trento while Liverpool opened up the rear of Zara with a pair of hits. Orion’s boats were smashed after an eight inch shell destroyed one of her anti-aircraft guns.

The two fleets prodded at each other for the next twenty minutes before the Italians turned to the northwest and declined to continue the action into the evening.
 
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July 20, 1940 over Kent

Robert Smith looked up at the sky. A string of contrails showed the course of a massive air battle going on over his head. He dreamed of being a pilot, he dreamed of defending his home in the cockpit of a Spitfire. He dreamed of being anywhere other than sixty feet from a small bridge that crossed a stream with a shovel in his hand. His class, thirty five fifteen and sixteen year old boys who normally would have been on holiday at the shore had been called back to school by their headmaster three weeks previously. They were being volunteered to assist the army in digging a set of stop lines between the coast and the Thames. So the boys dug in the morning, stopped for tea and then dug again throughout the afternoon. On good days, someone would throw a ball onto a field for an hour of cricket for the boys who still had some energy after digging all day.

“Bobby -- stop dreaming, and keep digging.” He looked down and placed his foot against the shovel and dug into the chalky earth. The anti-tank position was coming together far better now that he and his class had experience in digging in correctly. He dreamed of never needing to dig again as the steady rhythm of shovels lifted by boys who believed that they were young men establish a rhythm to beat the sheer boredom of a long afternoon away.
 
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