John Cabot And Early English settlement in North America

new statesman

Hi zeppelin247

well i am glad you like the Time line,

as for the war, well England want total monopoly over the fishing grounds near Newfoundland, also they want total security for the new holdings in the new world, to do this, England has resolved to take Iceland and Greenland from Denmark,

But denmark is no Pushover, Henry decides to Keep Denmark Busy with a war, what he dose not know is how big this war will become.

England will start the War but the part it plays will become less and less.
 

new statesman

The first Great North war

When the Swedish Regent Heard the news of the English Attack on Jutland he orderd The Swedish Army to march south and invaded Scania and Halland.
The swedish army marched unaposed, taking town after town. A smaller force was sent north to take Bohuslan
The Danish army was already on the other side of Jutland When news reached the king, and very little could be done to stop the Swedish incursion.

King john sent word to his son Christian, to send aid as soon as he was able. But he was traped in Norway by a small English fleet. sent for just this task.
Then new reached John that the Army of the Holy Roman Empire had invaded Schleswig-Holstein Province. and had linked up with the English. Defeating His army.

The first Naval battle took place on 30 and 31 july 1511 battle took place between the islands of Gotland and Öland, between a fleet of the Danes, The Lübeckers and a Swedish fleet of 23 or more ships . It was an Allied victory.
Only some of the ships on each side were involved, the rest being unable to help due to the wind.

Againe that year was the Battle of Helsingborg was fought in August 1511 between Danish and Hanseatic fleets. The fleets met on Øresund near Helsingborg, where the sound is most narrow. this was a Allied victory.

The Swedish army dug in as the summer wore on.
and made good the ocupation, danish armys were to busy in the south to stop this. some atempt's were made by the danes to dislodge the swedes but this was hamperd by having to fight on two fronts. Then News broke in the East of the Russian Invasion Of Lithuania, And the Swedish invasion of EssLand,
As polish and lithuanian forces mobilised to strike east at the Russian Invader
Prussia and then Courland Declared themselves Free duchies, and rose in rebellion. Duke Frederick of Saxony, Grand Master of the Teutonic Order, died in December 1510. Albert was chosen as his successor early in 1511 in the hope that his relationship to his maternal uncle, Sigismund I the Old, Grand Duke of Lithuania and King of Poland, would facilitate a settlement of the disputes over eastern Prussia, which had been held by the Order under Polish suzerainty since the Second Peace of Thorn (1466).
The new Grand Master, aware of his duties to the empire and to the papacy, refused to submit to the crown of Poland. As war over the Order's existence appeared inevitable, Albert made strenuous efforts to secure allies and carried on protracted negotiations with Emperor Maximilian I. And the swedish and there English And Russian Alies , he agreed to let sweden have a free hand in Livonia, only if they and the Russians, would suport a free Prussia and Courland. The ill-feeling, influenced by the ravages of members of the Order in Poland, culminated in a war which began in August 1511.The Empire backed this so did the Hansa, and swedish and all sent troops and money to aid there German bretherin.
In july 1511, Muscovy invaded the Grand Duchy of Lithuania with a goal to capture Smolensk, a major trading center. the city fell in August . Prince Shuisky was left as viceregent in Smolensk.

In 1511 and 1512, the Crimean Tatars, the allies of Lithuania, devastated the Russian territories. In 1512, the Crimean khan Magmet-Ghirai carried out the ruinous attack on the Moscow principality. The Lithuanian troops led by Dashkovich participated in it and tried to take Ryazan.
In 1512, the Russian army ravaged the lands around Kreva, the Crimean Tartars attacked Lviv and Lublin, but no side could gain advantage.
The Polish–Lithuanian monarch decided to launch an offensive with an army 20,000 strong to regain what Lithuania has lost in the The Lithuanian assault on Severia failed when, during the Fall of 1511, three Russian armies under the command of Prince Ovchina-Telepnev-Obolensky and Prince Vasily Shuisky invaded Lithuania, advancing as far as Vilnius and Navahrudak and building the fortress of Ivangorod on the Sebezh River.
The following year the Lithuanians were aided by the Crimean Tatars, who ravaged the region of Ryazan, and the Poles, commanded by the Great Crown Hetman Jan Tarnowski, whose 7,000 strong force defeated the Russians at Starodub and overran Severia with Homel. In response, the Russians routed the 40,000-strong Lithuanian army at Sebezh, built the fortress of Velizh and devastated the suburbs of Vitebsk. at this time Sweden invaded Livonia; first in when the Livonian Knights sought alliance with Poland and Lithuania: the Poles and Lithuanians were able to defend only southern Livonia. Courland was in Rebelion, alongside Prussia.
It was late August when the Army of the empire invaded Poland, and laid Siege of Kraków a second army marched to prussia to aid the Grand master. as the summer turned to fall and then winter the fighting
slowed and then stopped. the army's dug in for the winter, and prepared for the spring offencives.

A harsh winter than had been expected forced the Dano-Norwegian fleet in port, and had frozen the Great Belt and Little Belt. After takeing to there ships and entering Jutland from the south, a Swedish army of 7,000 battle-hardened veterans marched across the icy Little Belt on January 30, 1512. It captured the island Funen within few days, and soon thereafter Langeland, Lolland-Falster. The Swedish army continued to Zealand, threatening the Danish capital Copenhagen. The rapid Swedish attack across the frozen Belts was completely unexpected; John was compelled to surrender and signed the Treaty of Roskilde on February 26, 1512.
Sweden had won its most prestigious victory, and Denmark had suffered its most costly defeat. Denmark was forced to yield the provinces of Scania, Halland, Blekinge and the island of Bornholm. they now became Swedish territory indefinitely. Denmark also had to surrender the Norwegian province Bohuslän to Sweden. Denmark had to seed to the Holy roman Empire, south Schleswig and Holstine.
For poland and Lithuania was just as harsha peace was signed, under the terms of which the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was forced to cede to Russia about a quarter of its Ruthenian possessions, including Smolensk. The Dnieper River was established as the new border between the countries.And Polish withdrawal of claims to Ducal Prussia, Ermland and Elbring. declaring Albert the sole sovereign in the Duchy treaties of
Sweden Gaind all of Livonia, Exsept Courlan, Which like Prussia Was now A free Duchy.
Iceland and Greenland were to be England and the Faro's to scotland. Poland Demanded in Return that Prussia Give up all claims on the old royal Prussia. and that nither duchy could ever be in personal union or be anxed by any of the waring party's. In the years following the End of the war poland and lithuania. drove out The vast majority of ethnic Germans from there lands, the Germans would flock to Courland silisia and Prussia, and in turn the holy roman Empire, Prussia and Courland drove out poles and Lithuanians, Prussia and Courland would also end up taking in some Icelanders as well.
 
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The first Great North war

The English Invasion of Iceland

When the Two English Squadrons parted ways on the Dogger bank,Cabot set off to Scotland, this part of the plan was Easy. Meet a Very small Scotish Fleet and escort them to shetland and then on to Faroe Islands. and aid in the capture of said Islands for the Scots. Henry had seen this as a way to keep the scots busy, give his son in law some prestige, and remove any treat to his northern border.

After a bloodless takeover well not to much anyway, and a great deal of drinking and sining. the English Fleet took on water and provisions made waht repairs were needed and sailed North again. Heading for Iceland.

The English Fleet that Landed at Reykjevik, In the summer of 1511 held almost 7000 men and with acompanying horses.
The English quicly overwemwd. the local Troops and set up camp in the icelandic capital. Cabot anexed the Island in the name of the King of England and set about its ocupation, Icelands population had been hit very hard by a recent outbreak of black death a few years befor and now sat at less than 30'000. people for the whole island. this did not mean thet it would be easy for the english, but they just had too many men on the ground for the Icelanders to do much about it. The English gave the Islander two choices one stay here and swearl loyalty to the crown or two take up the offer of the swedish, which was to be reseteld in Finland, with a chance of free land and a better life, the ships would be provided by the english and swedish, after several weeks of English punitive raids in to the out lying lands around Reykjevik.

The majority of Icelander decided to take up the chance to leave, almost three quarters of the population would head of to Finland and Denmark. after the war finaly ended in 1513 Denmark recognised English ownership of Iceland,
Cabot wanted the Island to be incorperated into the lordship of `Canada, but faced stiff oposition from the sea captins of bristol. the fate of the island would be left until a latter time, English troops spent the summer and winter overseeing the evacuation of those who would not live under the English some of the men would take up the now empty farms and sent for there wives and sweet hearts/
as the years went on a strange Anglo Norse culture evolved on the island Very distinct from any where else in The New English Empire
 
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The Great Lakes And Ohio

As the war Raged on in the Old word. Men in Canada, were looking to the south and west. some in hope of furs, others in hope of a passage to China and India.

The lord marshal sent out in the spring of 1511 two Party's of men to make known those parts of Upper Canada that are still In darkness.
That spring a Group of Rangers set out to map the Ohio River Valley.

The river had great significance in the history of the Native Americans, as numerous civilizations formed along its valley. In the five centuries prior to European contact, the Mississippian culture built numerous regional chiefdoms and major earthwork mounds in the Ohio Valley, as well as in the Mississippi Valley and the Southeast.
The people were intensely involved in maize agriculture, as well as other food crops originating in the Americas, such as beans, squash, sunflowers and gourds. They collected local wild foodstuffs, including a variety of nuts such as hickory, black walnut, pecans, and acorns, as well as fleshy fruits and berries such as persimmon, pawpaw and plums. The hunting of whitetail deer, bison, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, opossum and beaver added vital protein to their diet. But, unlike other Mississippian peoples in the central Mississippi Valley, fish and waterfowl does not seem to have been a major component of their diet.
For thousands of years, Native Americans, like the European explorers and settlers who followed them, used the river as a major transportation and trading route. Its waters connected communities. The Osage, Omaha, Ponca and Kaw lived in the Ohio Valley
Pre-Columbian inhabitants of eastern North America considered the Ohio part of a single river continuing on through the lower Mississippi. The river's name comes from the Seneca (Iroquoian) ohiːyo', a proper name derived from ohiːyoːh, meaning "good river". The Indians and early explorers and settlers of the region also often considered the Allegheny to be part of the Ohio. The forks (the confluence of the Allegheny and Monongahela rivers at what was Otl Pittsburgh) was considered a strategic military location.
 
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Jon Fowler and The Ohio,

Jon Fowler, a Norfolk man, had been in Canada perhaps two years when Fowler had learnt the languages of the native peoples, mostly Mohawk in this area. The Mohawk told him of a great river, called the Ohio, which flowed into the Mississippi River.HE was asked by the lord marshal to lead a party of rangers down the Ohio river, and make a proper account of it and the lands that border it. Fowler had spent much of his early life on his family farm in Norfolk, but had gone to sea in his early twenty's and as such had been with Voyage to find the north east passage. He would lead Forty Rangers and Five Indian's in canoe's from Lake Ontario. peace with the Indians meant that it was now safe for large party's to go beyond the lake. Fowler and his Party left Hochelaga. entering Lake Ontario His group had 45 men in 20 canoes.. in late may the party continued along Lake Ontario to Genesee River. Čunehstí•yu• from the Seneca tribe name Chin-u-shio (Tuscarora language) meaning a beautiful open valley. they met with a group of Senaca Indians who advised them to traverse to Lake Erie via the Niagara River fowler states that "Niagara" is derived from the name given to a branch of the locally residing native Neutral Confederacy, who are described as being called the "Niagagarega" people. at the Village of Yehęwakwáʼthaʼ.
after crossing in to lake Erie The party were gided over land to the Allegheny River a principal tributary of the Ohio River River joins with the Monongahela River to form the Ohio River at the "Point"
 

Historico

This timeline has an incredible amount of detail and potential ripples of a Tudor North American Colony, and I can't wait to see what effects it might have on our favorite dynasty itself. Could it be possible that we see Canada become it's own Kingdom much to like was done with Scotland? And since it's been a good two months since this was last updated, will it be continued? I certiantly do hope so;)
 

new statesman

Historico said:
This timeline has an incredible amount of detail and potential ripples of a Tudor North American Colony, and I can't wait to see what effects it might have on our favorite dynasty itself. Could it be possible that we see Canada become it's own Kingdom much to like was done with Scotland? And since it's been a good two months since this was last updated, will it be continued? I certiantly do hope so;)
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Hi yes i will be back to this again.

The colony wil keep growing. but soon it will have rivals in the new world,

As for the Tudors Henry vii has already lived longer so Henry the viii will be a bit changed.
 

new statesman

A look in to the Future.

A map of the New World in 1610

During the 1520's The English are too involved in Ireland, to stop first the French , Duch and later Neapolitan colonies to south.

Verginia is set up as a colony to stop the rot in 1528.

The French have Arcadia. The Duch New Zealand and the Neapolitan's Vespuccia.


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new statesman

Jon fowler and the Ohio part two.

Fowler had his men build a small fort at the point. which he named fort Norfolk.( Otl Pittsburg.) from earth and wood with a shallow ditch facing the landward side. and spent the next six weeks making a compleat survey of the lands around it

Fowler and his men continued westward mapping the river and its tributaries on the north and south banks. and making note of any site that a fort could be built. at this time Fowler and his men were the first Europeans to see the Ohio River. and became the first Europeans to meet the many tribes that made there home on and near the river.

The first New fort was built at the mouth of the Muskingum river and was named just that New Fort The word Muskingum derives from a native word, which some claim to translate as "eye of the elk" or "by the riverside", it was also the name of a large Wyandot town that Fowler found along the river as he mapped it. He traded axe heads blankets and beer with the Indians, and moved back down to New fort and again to the west.
 

new statesman

jon fowler and the ohio part 3

As Fowler and his party moved ever westward. he would learn that the Name of the south bank of the Ohio Was some times called as Catawba. or more commonly Cane-tuck-ee, Cantucky, Kain-tuck-ee, and Kentuckee. from an Iroquois word meaning "meadow lands", referring to the buffalo hunting grounds in Central Kentucky's savanna. And was a much disputid land.
The Shawnee from the northwest and Cherokee from the south also sent parties into the area regularly for hunting. Members of the Haudenosaunee, the Iroquois Confederacy, had penetrated to this area of the Ohio River Valley and had started drive other tribes out in order to control more hunting land. Because In addition to buffalo, they trapped beaver for the now lucrative fur trade with the English, and warned the whites that it was a "dark and bloody ground." that they should leave well alone!

Fowler built a small fort at the mouth of the Scioto river. as a future trading post. and moved on down the the river to the mouth of the Miami river where he and his men spent the next six weeks trading with the local tribes, mostly the Miami.
The name Miami derives from the tribe's autonym (name for themselves) in their Algonquian language, Miami-Illinois, Myaamia (plural Myaamiaki); this appears to have come from an older term meaning "downstream people." Some scholars contended the Miami called themselves the Twightwee (also spelled Twatwa), supposedly an onomatopoeic reference to their sacred bird, the sandhill crane. common term was Mihtohseeniaki (the people).

They told Fowler of a great city to the west.which suprised Fowler he would ask many questions about the city seeing an opertunity to benifit the local chife oferd to send men with him to act as scouts. after some horse trading involving a trade deal for axe heads and lance points for the men involved and the local chief . So it was the Fowler and his men would head down to the mouth of the Wabash river and into the Illinois country.
 

NthBelisarius

I apologise for resurrecting this thread* (which appears to have died or is on a fairly long hiatus), but I just wanted to ask, why did Henry want Iceland and Greenland? They're not exactly prime pieces of land. Did he just want to deny others a North Atlantic base? Or is he very interested in fish :confused: :p?

*not sure if should have just PM'd new statesman. What is the etiquette here?
 

new statesman

NthBelisarius said:
I apologise for resurrecting this thread* (which appears to have died or is on a fairly long hiatus), but I just wanted to ask, why did Henry want Iceland and Greenland? They're not exactly prime pieces of land. Did he just want to deny others a North Atlantic base? Or is he very interested in fish :confused: :p?

*not sure if should have just PM'd new statesman. What is the etiquette here?
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Hello. sorry for not getting back to this sooner. but i have been on the mongol rally.

When my head is in the right place i will come back to this.

but to answer your question, the war has more to do with distracting the people from some of Henry's actions and also keeping the sea captin's in bristol happy, fish is a big deal, and pushing scotland a bit closer to england.

its a cheep war for england, as the bulk of the land fighting is done buy germans, russians and sweeds!:)
 
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