Favourite Alternate America.

Which of these is your favourite alternate America?

  • The Dominion of North America

    Votes: 24 36.4%
  • The United Socialist States of America

    Votes: 15 22.7%
  • The North American Union

    Votes: 12 18.2%
  • Les Etats-Unis d'Amérique

    Votes: 8 12.1%
  • The Republic of Vinland

    Votes: 14 21.2%

  • Total voters
    66
Leo Caesius said:
I've read that it means "one who comes from the place of the cranes;" áztatl means crane in Nahuatl, apparently.

Yeah, that sounds about right. "Aztlan" would mean "the place of the cranes", so I guess I was right about that one ;)

More on topic, what kind of POD could get the "Republic of Vinland"? A Norse king sending a dedicated colonization effort? What extent of land would it cover? (I imagine it being OTL Quebec, Ontario, the Maritimes, and New England.)
 

Admiral Matt

Gone Fishin'
"Why not Azteco?"

Because there never was a nation that called itself Azteca, Azteco, or for that matter even Aztec. The word Aztec was first applied to the Nahua Mexica (the people you are referring to) in the 19th century by a German historian. It's based on Aztlan, the name of the legendary northern homeland of the - here it comes - MEXICANS.

For the last time (yeah right) it's Mexica, not Aztec. Aztec is a made up word!
 
My initial gut reaction was to vote for the Dominion since I'm such an Anglophile. However, the idea of a North America with several equally powerful nations and other smaller states with radically different histories eventually merging into one lose EU-style union is quite interesting. Here are mine:

Vinland. A small scandinavian-sytle republic in OTL Newfoundland descended from the original norse settlements. Vinnish-Icelandic language

The Republic of Quebec and Acadia. Large and fairly powerful French-speaking republic in OTL Quebec and Ontario

Angleterre d'Amerique. A former English colony occupying most of OTL New England, now a French and English speaking autonomous territory ruled from Quebec.

Nieuhaven. Dutch Speaking republic in parts of OTL New York and Pennsylvania

Scania. Tiny Swedish Speaking principality on OTL Coastal NewYork with surprisingly powerful economy

The Virgina-Carolina Codominion. Large and powerful English speaking dual monarchy occupying much of OTL USA deep south

Louisiana. French speaking republic occupying much of OTL Louisiana Purchase. The largest and most powerful member of the NAU

Huron. Nominally independent French-speaking American Indian confederation occupying much of the OTL great lakes region

THe Empire of Mexico. Large spanish-speaking monarchy occupying most of OTL Mexico prior to 1836 except Yucatan. Greatest population in NAU, but economically weak.

Yucatan. Mayan speaking republic - a former Mexican province which achieved independence in Maya revolt of 1866

Alaskaleutia. Russian and Aleut speaking federal republic occupying much of OTL Alaska and western Canada.

Central American Union. Spanish-Speaking OTL central american republics
 

Leo Caesius

Banned
Admiral Matt said:
The word Aztec was first applied to the Nahua Mexica (the people you are referring to) in the 19th century by a German historian. It's based on Aztlan, the name of the legendary northern homeland of the - here it comes - MEXICANS.
I would have thought that it was earlier than the 19th century, considering that it appears in Charles Cullen's (1787) translation of Francisco Saverio Clavigero's Storia antica del Messico (1780) - he uses the term Aztecas to describe them. I don't have the original handy so I can't tell you if it was in the original Italian, although I'm betting it was. In any case, I'd be surprised if Cullen was the originator of this term. Do you mean to tell me Fray Bernardino de Sahagún never once uses the term Aztec? I was under the impression that he was the one who gave the language that name in his descriptions of it.
 
My own Tory America AH lies somewhere between the Dominion of North America and the North American Union. I have an Empire of North America, which became the Union of North America as Emperor William V produced no heir. There is also a Jeffersonian republic of Louisiana which is essentially a Cajun Texas, and of course the Empire of Mexico.

In ATL monarchies are the norm and republics (Switzerland, Louisiana, San Marino) are the exception.
 
Leo Caesius said:
I would have thought that it was earlier than the 19th century, considering that it appears in Charles Cullen's (1787) translation of Francisco Saverio Clavigero's Storia antica del Messico (1780) - he uses the term Aztecas to describe them. I don't have the original handy so I can't tell you if it was in the original Italian, although I'm betting it was. In any case, I'd be surprised if Cullen was the originator of this term. Do you mean to tell me Fray Bernardino de Sahagún never once uses the term Aztec? I was under the impression that he was the one who gave the language that name in his descriptions of it.

You are quite right about the historicity of the term Azteca for the Mexica people. However, it is reasonable to assume that a term based on the more common Mexica would probably become the name of any possible continuation of an independent "Aztec"-ruled state into the modern era. But who knows?
 

Admiral Matt

Gone Fishin'
"I would have thought that it was earlier than the 19th century, considering that it appears in Charles Cullen's (1787) translation of Francisco Saverio Clavigero's Storia antica del Messico (1780) - he uses the term Aztecas to describe them. I don't have the original handy so I can't tell you if it was in the original Italian, although I'm betting it was. In any case, I'd be surprised if Cullen was the originator of this term. Do you mean to tell me Fray Bernardino de Sahagún never once uses the term Aztec? I was under the impression that he was the one who gave the language that name in his descriptions of it."

Well don't I feel silly.

Still, no nation tracing its history to the Aztecs would call itself Azteca. That term was only popularized by the need to differentiate the native empire from the 'modern' nation descended from it.

Which isn't to say that the nation there would necessarily be called Mexico. In fact, given the fragile nature of Mesoamerican empires, it would probably be called something else depending on which group was in power when the region finally stabilized after its encounter with European technology and culture. Huaxtecatl, Tlaxcatl, who knows?
 
I'd go for the North American Union, though I prefer a strong United States. Possible members:

Central America
Hispaniola
California
Baja California
Oregon
Yukon
Niagara
Deseret
Wasatch (Smaller Deseret, no Mormons)
North Mexica
South Mexica
Floridia
Louisiana (Purchase)
New England
Maine
Vermont
Potomac
Delaware
Roanoke
Virginia
Carolina
Quebec
Nunavut
Nauvoo
Saskatchewan
Kanata
Vancouver

Feel free to make fun of me.
 
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