Could a 'nicer' Christianity have still been influentual?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Derek Jackson, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. Derek Jackson Member

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    In OTL Christianity, which seems to me as a respectful agnostice to have many good features in principle, seems to have been deeply influenced by authoritarianism, anti semitism and mysogyny in practice

    Could a gentler faith have still had mass membership?

    Is authoritarianism to some extent implicit in any mono theism?
     
  2. DominusNovus Humbled by Fate

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    I don't think so. Early Christianity flourished without being 'mean.' I'd say its more a result of the environment. If Europe went Mithraic instead, it likely would have been mean as well. Though, perhaps an Esoteric religion might not be authoritarian, or at least in the same way.
     
  3. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    My guess is that would be run over by even "less nice" Moslems. Remember the Crusades happened because the Moslems attacked Constantinople so they were the ones who started it.
     
  4. DMA I am not the Final Cylon!

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    Well if one looks to the teachings of Jesus, it was always meant to be "nice".

    So are we talking about the human construction of the Church or the original message of Jesus?

    I only ask because there's a fundamental difference between "Christianity" & the "Church".
     
  5. panzerjay Lord of Subversive Armaments

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    i doubt it. how do you draw the great unwashed to the cross without the fire and brimstone and divine annotated exceptionalism?
     
  6. The Sicilian I'm Not Dead Yet, Bastards

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    Really, because I seem to recall this:
    'Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
    I have not come to bring peace but a sword.'
    Matthew 10:34

    I'm not entirely sure what a 'nice' guy would do with a sword...:D
     
  7. Dan1988 Thinks he's going off his nut

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    Ah, but according to the Gospel of Thomas:

    I think he was saying this to reject Messianic philosophy. Maybe if the word was changed to something else, . . .
     
  8. DMA I am not the Final Cylon!

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    Nice example of how to distort the original message. You would make for a great bishop. :D

    Seriously, though, Jesus knew that his message would be violently disputed by the unbelievers. This verse was not a message, however, for the how believers where to behave. Instead Jesus gave the following...


    The New Commandment...


    Love one another as I have loved you.

    &;

    Take the log out of your own eye first, before you take the speck out of your brother's eye

    & how about;

    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
     
  9. Snake Featherston Banned

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    Of course, a few months after he went up on the cloud, God returned to his smiting ways.....
     
  10. DMA I am not the Final Cylon!

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    Ok, I'll bite... How so?
     
  11. The Sicilian I'm Not Dead Yet, Bastards

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    I'm joking DMA. I don't think that Jesus came to murder us with a sword. Most of what he said was okay.
     
  12. DMA I am not the Final Cylon!

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    My bad. I gathered you were. I will admit, though, that my dry Australian humour sometimes gets lost in the translation... or interpretation... so to speak :D
     
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    DMA, don't worry. He got me too - hence the quote from the Gospel of Thomas.
     
  14. Snake Featherston Banned

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    Ananias and Sapphira ring a bell? Incidentally, this makes me wonder why Chris Paolini named that dragon of his after somebody Yahweh smited because she didn't give him any money. Did he have the soft bigotry of low expectations? :D
     
  15. DMA I am not the Final Cylon!

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    Well I could have also mentioned the bit about turning the other cheek, but somehow that's been reinterpreted as...

    if someone slaps you, call in an airstrike and naplam the bastard! :D
     
  16. The Sicilian I'm Not Dead Yet, Bastards

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    jEzUS WAS a SW0rds mURderz!!1!1 HaZ0r!
     
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    B gun hypron.
     
  18. The Sicilian I'm Not Dead Yet, Bastards

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    i am teh hyprons. if yUo banns me, i wlii giv youthe bad tuch!
     
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  20. Ridwan Asher Jungle Arab

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    Yea right... :rolleyes: