Alternative Allied Tank Busters

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One the FOUR 20mm in the nose makes it more or less perfect for tank busting plus if you escort them on tank busting with the Tempest it is good by ME262

Four 20mm is the same as the Typhoon or the Tempest. I'll give you that they're closer to the centreline, but it still raises the question why you're not using the prop planes. Not that four 20mms is perfect 'tank-busting' weaponry.

Two fast at low level so it could take out there targets before the german flak 88s get a shot off.

Being fast isn't necessarily a good thing for a ground attack aircraft.

Three only the ME262 could have caught it .

Because of its jet engines. Which are less durable than radial props and IIRC also give it worse acceleration.
 
Lots of British aircraft featured 2 or four 20mm cannons, but few featured jet engines. Jets rely on altitude for those impressive speed numbers, and fuel burn on the deck is very high. The Meteor's career is well documented, and abandoning the aircraft when it ran out of fuel wasn't a sure thing at all. As it was, the performance numbers before Dewent 5 did not make it immune to potential interception in a sky without air supremacy.
 
I remember that plane but not the specs. Does it have a hard hitting gun? A 57mm under the nose would be nice...

This version seems to have 4x 20mm in the nose, which is okay as a fighter-bomber. If they were removed, there might be room for a couple of 37mm or a single 57mm, although the balance would change a bit

Damn that thing looks mean? Top speed?

I love the way it looks too. But I have no idea about the top speed, because...

It was probably too small to be effective and polystyrene is so vulnerable to birdshot.

... it's a kitbashed model that some enterprising chap put together. IIRC he started with a Meteor model and went from there. Personally, I think the Meteor should have been a fighter-bomber from the start with the Vampire chosen as an interceptor. If it it was, a redesign like this might have been on the cards...
 
A very interesting thread.
Some ideas: 'Class S' gun, but outfitted with Littlejohn adapter that increases penetration by 50% on this gun.(excellent web page on an excellent web site) Perhaps also the 2pdr pom-pom HV (high velocity), really a heavy weight, but it was belt fed.
40 mm Bofors, or US 37mm AAA, outfit the adapter once available. Molins gun, again a heavy weight, but it pack a punch. Soviet guns - NS 37 is a no-brainer, the NS 45 is even better. Or the 57mm zis-2 (again a heavy weight), amazing AT gun, perhaps install a 'revolver' magazine atop of it like the Germans did for the needs of the Hs 129? Similar to the long-barrel 45mm gun M1942.

Aircraft: Beaufighter and Mosquito: fine aircraft, but they were also needed for other tasks. Just Leo's upgraded Gloster looks fine. Should be able to carry both cannons and rockets/bombs in the same time. Whirlwind - 37 to 40 mm, whatever fits in the nose; with not to heavy a cannon the extra bombs/rockets are possible? Engine change (Taurus)?
A-20 also looks the par (B-25/26 are quite the bigger A/C), again both cannons and bombs; should be able to carry Soviet guns. P-39, but install the Class S in the nose, with adapter when available. Get rid of either fuselage or wing MGs, upgrade protection instead, should also double as a fighter. Battle, Henley, Fulmar - nothing unless/until more engine power is available, preferably in shape of Hercules. P-51/A-36/P-40/Defiant - Class S guns. SB-2, Pe-2: 37 to 45 mm. Tu-2 : 37 to 57 mm, but this is really a big aircraft.
 
Why don't follow an alternate route and work on the rocket projectiles? They were pretty effective in OTL, although usually not providing with hard kills on enemy tanks, but their accuracy could probably be improved.

Rockets would be a more flexible approach than heavy guns imho.

The other possibility is designing a 30mm gun firing high velocity rounds, that should be enough against most top armours and not so heavy as a 40 or 57mm gun.
 
The Class S was not that a heavy gun. 350 lbs (~160 kg), with Littlejohn adapter, it fired an 1lb (0.454 kg) projectile at 3250 fpm (990 m/s; slower the full-bore shot), thus easily beating the best 30 mm cannon (MK 103) of ww2. Even the mighty MK 303 was just that good, ballistics-wise.
Accuracy of rockets was perhaps an order of magnitude lower than of centreline-mounted guns. Plus, the Allies can have a cannon-armed tank buster available by 1939 if they start the ball rolling early enough, while the rockets indeed needed several years of development.

An interesting platform for the heavy firepower on single engine might've been the Gloster's proposal for the specification F.18/37 (Hawker's proposal lead to the Typhoon). A single engined pusher, twin boom, to be powered by Napier Sabre. More about the proposals: link
 
Eh, there's probably some distortion there, but the real "trick" was that his squadron let him get credit for most of those kills, while their official contribution was much less than it should have been. That, plus the insane number of sorties he flew means that those numbers are probably closer to the truth than you'd think. Oh, and no one ever questions Simo Hahya, do they? His feats were much crazier.

German "Nazi" Propaganda went to great lengths to create 'Superstars' which while making for great pin ups and well received in the picture houses was eventually detrimental to the average LW Pilots particularly when their units lost them (ie 27th JG in North Africa in late 42).

On the subject of Tank hunting AC Spitfires being used as dive bombers has been suggested before.

Now I know the immediate response is 'but the wings fall off if they do that' but that was an issue of those aircraft not being rebuilt properly (re riveting etc) having been broken down for various reasons.

Despite this particular issue where not bodged the aircraft was a damn fine dive bomber given its superb maneuverability enabling it to get to the target area unscathed, very accurately deliver its bombs (often 1 x 500 pound and 2 x 250 pound weapons) and then escape.

The accuracy of these bomb attacks was far greater than similar rocket attacks

However the Glycol cooling system was the achilles heel - the mass majority of Spit 'Bombers' lost during the Normandy campaign was too light AAA causing damage to the Radiator or associated coolant pipes resulting in the engines overheating and either seizing-up or catching fire.

So a dedicated Spit Bomber would need to have some additional armour plate and/or revised cooling system.
 
If they wanted a Sturmovik, WALLIES would need to start from scratch with a radiator surrounded by an armoured box, with an armoured engine bolted to the front and an armoured cockpit bolted to the rear, .... Continue building outwards. The secret to Sturmovik's success was a radiator buried in the middle of the fuselage and surrounded by armour.

As for guns, start with the Bell Airacobra's 37 mm gun firing through the propeller hub, then upgrade from there. Remember that most Messerschmitt 109s had 20 mm cannon firing through their prop-hubs. The cannon breach protruded into the instrument panel. 12.7 mm (.50 caliber) was the minimum needed to shot down 1940-vintage airplanes, while tank-busting required larger calibres.
Muzzle velocity is more important than calibre, with 3,000 feet per second being the minimum muzzle-velocity to penetrate late-war tanks.

Accommodating the cannon was a simple matter of a reduction gearbox tall enough for the cannon to clear cylinder banks, induction manifolds and exhaust manifolds.
All WW2 fighter engines incorporated reduction gearboxes. The challenge was requesting a centre-line cannon early in the engine design process. This would have required the British Air Ministry requesting cannons during the mid-1930s. Heck an inventive engineer could even have installed a cannon on a radial engine, just point the barrel between two cylinders and "skew" the reduction gearbox to line it up with the barrel (ala. tiny Pobjoy radial engine.)

As for cannon caliber, start with 37mm, then upgrade to keep pace with advances in tank armour. Keep in mind that you only need 88 mm cannons to penetrate glacis plates (front of hull) because all the other plates are thinner. It is especially easy to penetrate thin deck plates when attacking from above.

Rockets were far less accurate than cannons, which is why RAF Coastal Command fired rockets from Swordfish, Beaufughters, Mosquitos, Fireflies, etc. Rockets were best at poking holes in the waterline a of large targets: ships.
All those machine guns (installed in the noses of CC airplanes) were merely to distract U-Boat AA gunners.

Twould seem that Typhoons were best at destroying morale.
As an old "Desert Rat" once told me: "The worst thing is being shelled for days on end and not being able to return fire."
By late summer 1944, Germans were exhausted from being bombed, shelled, straffed, etc. repeatedly without being able to return fire.

Typhoons' second role was destroying the German supply chain.

This thread contains some amusing ex-post-facto explanations attributed to the latest and greatest technology. Whereas every retreat has seen roadsides littered with wagons, equipment, loot, etc.

As for the single nose-cannon on A-10s forcing the nosewheel off-centre .... Taxiing suffers almost nothing, while gunnery improves a lot.
 
The Russians complemented this with small hallow charge bombs dispersed form special containers.
its worth noting that this is a valid solution used to this day. Cluster bombs/bomblet dispensers hung off whatever tactical aircraft are on hand are far more practical than relying on having specialised tank-busting aircraft and specially skilled pilots vailable when the call comes in. If you need to avoid overflying flak then again unguided rocket pods (HEAT to kill the tanks directly or blast/frag to suppress the flak) are also used today.
 
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