Alternate names for America?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Faeelin, Jan 17, 2004.

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  1. Faeelin Lord of Ten Thousand Years

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    What are other names that America could've been given? (The continents, not the nation).

    Braseal: The celtic name.

    Hesperia?

    Al-gharb (Arabic for the west)?

    What else?
     
  2. Landshark The Falcon!

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    There's some sort of RPG where you have North and South Vespucia(sp), and there was a thread on the old board about the southern continent being named America and the northern one Columbia. I suppose if the Portugese had discovered them we might have North and South Brazil. A lot depends on who the person is that does the discovering, Cabotia? or maybe Magellica?
     
  3. DuQuense Commisioned Officer CSN

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    New Britian & New Spain
     
  4. DominusNovus Humbled by Fate

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    Antichthon, the supposed "counter" continent to Europe and the Near East. It'd actually be better suited to Australia (Antichthon was supposed to be to the south, in the Indian Ocean), but its a possibility.
     
  5. Straha Banned

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    some names

    Europa Occidentalis Magna Nova

    Atlantis

    Colombia

    Avalon

    Westralia

    Vingaard

    Karthago Nova

    Terranova

    Roma Nova De Sud

    Ultima Thule

    Hyperborea

    Nova Roma
     
  6. Yankoslavian Member

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    Yankoslavia :D
     
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    I used North and South Vespuccia in my Aesop timeline.
     
  8. Landshark The Falcon!

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    I thought you got the name from...er what was it...GURPS?
     
  9. tom Member

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    I came up with the name over 30 years ago. I suggested that, since other places are named after the last name of a person (ex. Tasmania) that so should the New World continents. My social science teacher had a hoot imitating Kruschev ("the imperialistic warmongers of the United States of Vespuccia!")
     
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    That's what the Chinese named California. If the Cheng Ho fleets had discovered San Francisco Bay and it's mercury mines, they would definitely have colonized the Americas. Later they would have found the gold of California and Mexico, and the silver of the Andes. There would have been a flood of immigrants that would have had a big head start on the Spanish and the Portuguese, let alone the English, French, Dutch, and Scandinavians.
     
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    Names for America

    What about: Hudsonia, Nova Hispania, Brendania (after the Irish monk), Dominia, Vinlandia ?
     
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    2 Obvious Ones

    Columbia
    Atlantis
     
  13. Paul Spring should avoid chat, but doesn't

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    How about Occidentalia or Occident, after the Latin word for "West"? It's not very creative, but there's no guarantee that the new lands would be named after a particular discoverer or get a more "creative" name. My guess is that in English, at least, the continents would be called "North Occident" and "South Occident", since "Occidentalia" just has too many syllables.

    If Columbus' career after his initial discoveries had been more successful, one or both continents could easily have ended up being called "Columbia". In OTL, his failure to discover either a passage to the Indies or a major source of gold, plus his horrible record running the earliest Spanish colony on Hispaniola, plus his stubborn adherence to the idea that he was fairly close to Asia, plus his getting shipwrecked for a year on his fourth voyage, plus other factors all contributed to a sharp decline in his influence and popularity. Other explorers (including Vespucci) had already taken over the limelight years before Columbus died.

    It's ironic that Amerigo Vespucci was an active explorer only in South America, but ended up having BOTH continents named after him. If there had been another early 16th century explorer who had conducted a whole series of successful and well-publicized explorations of the lands north of the Caribbean, perhaps that explorer would end up with his name attached to the continent. In OTL, some of the early explorers of what would become the eastern coasts of the USA and Canada were John Cabot and his son Sebastian sailing for England, the Corte Real brothers for Portugal, and Verrazano for France. For the Spanish there was Ponce de Leon, Narvaez, then De Soto and Coronado, as well as a couple of other explorers whose names I don't remember right now. If any of them had been either been successful in mapping much of the coastline or starting a successful permanent settlement (or both) we might have South America as "America" and North America could be Cabotia, Realia, Verrazania, Leonia, Coronadia, Sotosia (?) or who knows what else!
     
  14. Abdul Hadi Pasha Banned

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    Obvious choices

    Columbia and Altantis are the most likely, but there is always the possibility of naming the continent after the explorer's queen. For instance, Henry VII's wife was Elizabeth of York, so Elizabethia? Or someone really religious might name it Virginia - how about an Ottoman explorer? Bat-i Memleket? (eastern domain)
     
  15. Faeelin Lord of Ten Thousand Years

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    Why eastern? Algarve comes from al-gharb; the western lands of al-andalus. If that's west, how is america east?
     
  16. Abdul Hadi Pasha Banned

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    DAMN YOU SCOTT BLAIRRRRRRRR!!!!

    Typo. The Ottoman is correct, the translation wrong - I meant Western, not Eastern.
     
  17. Faeelin Lord of Ten Thousand Years

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    Hmm. Confusing cardinal directions is a sign of dyslexia. Do you stay up at night and pray to dog as well?
     
  18. Abdul Hadi Pasha Banned

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    Hmm.

    I always wondered if you had a sense of humor, and now we know the answer is "no".

    Anyway, I'm having big trouble with East and West these days; as a Californian, the ocean was always West, now it's the opposite.

    I don't do left & right so well either, one would presume for entirely different reasons.
     
  19. David S Poepoe Banned

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    You should have gone to Santa Barbara, California. From there the ocean is always South.
     
  20. Alizarian Member

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    16th-17th Century Latin Names

    Common names used in the up until the seventeenth century in Latin maps were "America Mexicana" and "America Peruana", for North and South respectively. These are the best names I've encountered, and can be easily abbreviated as Mexicana and Peruana or Pervana.

    Note that the name 'Columbia' has been historicly applied only to North America. To apply to the South as some of you have done reverses the historical order.
     
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