To say that any state is never going to vote for one party or the other is absurd. If Manchin ran, he'd win West Virginia, which Trump won by 42% in 2016. while if a popular, moderate Republican from New York or California ran, they'd likely win those states.
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To say that any state is never going to vote for one party or the other is absurd. If Manchin ran, he'd win West Virginia, which Trump won by 42% in 2016. while if a popular, moderate Republican from New York or California ran, they'd likely win those states.
In the short term, Colorado and New Mexico are swing states (though the latter is debatable), while Louisiana is not, so this isn't really a good comparison.
2016
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 45.3% - 253
Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN) - 42.9% - 263
Evan McMullin (I-UT)/Greg Orman (I-KS) - 7.1% - 13
Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Bill Weld (L-MA) - 2.5% - 0
Jill Stein (G-MA)/Ajamu Baraka (G-IL) - 0.9% - 0
Others (Constitution, Socialism and Liberation, American Delta, Legal Marijuana Now) - 1.1% - 0
Independents - 0.2% - 0
Faithless Elector Candidates
Colin Powell (R-VA)/Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) - 0.00% - 3
John Kasich (R-OH)/Carly Fiorina (R-VA) - 0.00% - 2
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)/Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) - 0.08% - 2
Ron Paul (L-TX)/Mike Pence (R-IN) - 0.00% - 1
Faith Spotted Eagle (I-SD)/Winona LaDuke (G-MN) - 0.00% - 1
Faithless Elector States
Washington Colin Powell - 3 Faith Spotted Eagle - 1
Hawaii Bernie Sanders - 1
Colorado John Kasich - 1
Maine Bernie Sanders - 1
Texas Ron Paul - 1 Evan McMullin - 1 John Kasich - 1
Closest States
Pennsylvania - 0.18%
Michigan - 0.21%
Arizona - 0.34%
Wisconsin - 0.79%
Ohio - 1.45%
Kansas - 2.15%
North Carolina - 2.67%
Florida - 3.06%
Sorry if it's a lot. 2020 or nah?
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) - 45.3% - 253
Donald Trump (R-NY)/Mike Pence (R-IN) - 42.9% - 263
Evan McMullin (I-UT)/Greg Orman (I-KS) - 7.1% - 13
Gary Johnson (L-NM)/Bill Weld (L-MA) - 2.5% - 0
Jill Stein (G-MA)/Ajamu Baraka (G-IL) - 0.9% - 0
Others (Constitution, Socialism and Liberation, American Delta, Legal Marijuana Now) - 1.1% - 0
Independents - 0.2% - 0
Faithless Elector Candidates
Colin Powell (R-VA)/Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) - 0.00% - 3
John Kasich (R-OH)/Carly Fiorina (R-VA) - 0.00% - 2
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)/Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) - 0.08% - 2
Ron Paul (L-TX)/Mike Pence (R-IN) - 0.00% - 1
Faith Spotted Eagle (I-SD)/Winona LaDuke (G-MN) - 0.00% - 1
Faithless Elector States
Washington Colin Powell - 3 Faith Spotted Eagle - 1
Hawaii Bernie Sanders - 1
Colorado John Kasich - 1
Maine Bernie Sanders - 1
Texas Ron Paul - 1 Evan McMullin - 1 John Kasich - 1
Closest States
Pennsylvania - 0.18%
Michigan - 0.21%
Arizona - 0.34%
Wisconsin - 0.79%
Ohio - 1.45%
Kansas - 2.15%
North Carolina - 2.67%
Florida - 3.06%
Sorry if it's a lot. 2020 or nah?
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The results of the 2020 election from my timeline (link in sig). Trump resigns due to a corruption scandal in 2019, and Pence takes over. Despite the initial odds, Pence manages to narrowly win a full term in his own right. The five closest states in order of margin: Ohio, Maine, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
President Mike Pence (R-IN) / Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 302 EV - 49.1% PV
Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) / Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) - 236 EV - 47.8% PV
President Mike Pence (R-IN) / Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 302 EV - 49.1% PV
Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) / Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) - 236 EV - 47.8% PV
The results of the 2020 election from my timeline (link in sig). Trump resigns due to a corruption scandal in 2019, and Pence takes over. Despite the initial odds, Pence manages to narrowly win a full term in his own right. The five closest states in order of margin: Ohio, Maine, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
President Mike Pence (R-IN) / Vice President Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 302 EV - 49.1% PV
Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) / Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) - 236 EV - 47.8% PV
I'm sorry but there is no way Pence would get elected after Trump resigning from a scandal.
Compared to Trump at least he can appear reasonable, moderate and stable. He is hardline on social issues but facts don't necessarily matter.
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Uh, even against Trump, I'm pretty sure Manchin would win WV, and rather handily at that. Home state advantage aside, by voting for Manchin, West Virginians would be getting all the populism they want with none of the New York values. Also, a President Manchin would probably steer a lot of pork in WV's direction and make a big point of it while campaigning there.
That's not a full wank w/o a filibuster proof majority
I already gave you a filibuster proof majority Hillary Clinton just happened to be President in that TL! Do you want me to give you Democrats winning the Senate in 2018?!
Impossible.
Think again!
This is probably possible if Trump's approval rating is in the mid to low 30s.
That's not a GOPwank, this is a GOPwank.
Not even Democrats can do that badly in a midterm.
Against Trump, Manchin would probably win West Virginia by a margin of 56-43 or around there. Against a generic establishment Republican, he'd likely crack 60%.
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