AHC: Zoroastrian Russia

[MarshalBraginsky]

Yeah a world without Constantinople as the key to the East for Europe would be very interesting. I would wager that the Ostrogoths or other Barbarians would set up a Barbarian State over European Byzantium while the Persians would come to dominate Asia.

With that kind of huge POD, just about anything could happen: Vandals in Egypt, Christian Arabia, and of course Zorastrian Russia.

In this case the Huns would be able to establish their own state that would potentially dominate the Balkans, barring the Avars from ever creating their khanate there, which could force Slavic tribes like the White Croats, Red Croats, and the Serbs to migrate into the Vistula region, and even possibly taking the Baltic states or migrating eastward.

Zoroastrian Russia would have an effect on the Turkic peoples as well, since they might end up converting to Zoroastrianism if they are to be accepted by the Persians. Overall, we might be able to see Persia as the 'Russia' of this scenario. We may even see the Visigoths west of the Drina or the Ostrogoths in the southern Danube.

With a Christian Arabia, Islam as we know it might be butterflied away, but Zoroastrianism could potentially become the "Islam" of this scenario, if it can be spread by trade and influence.

 

[eliphas8]

Yeah a world without Constantinople as the key to the East for Europe would be very interesting. I would wager that the Ostrogoths or other Barbarians would set up a Barbarian State over European Byzantium while the Persians would come to dominate Asia.

With that kind of huge POD, just about anything could happen: Vandals in Egypt, Christian Arabia, and of course Zorastrian Russia.

Losing Constantinople temporarilly (and it is temporary, when he dies the Romans will be taking back Greece and Constantinople in particular) does not mean the eastern empire is dead, it simply means that in the immediate future it is relocated to Smyrna or Nikaea. Even if the walls arent rebuilt in time the eastern emperor is still alive (the reason there was such a rush to rebuild was that they knew he was coming). In the immediate sense a blow has been struck but it is hardly fatal.

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

So could the Eastern Roman Emperor be killed in a campaign before the earthquake hits Constantinople? I mean, Attila could ask the Hephthalites for help in destroying the Eastern Roman Empire while he can pull an Odoacer and dethrone (or kill) Marcian or Theodosius II. Alternatively, the Eastern Roman Empire could be destroyed by a coalition of Attila-led Huns, the White Huns/Hephthalites and maybe the Sassanian remnants. That is however, wishful thinking.

 

[kasumigenx]

In this case the Huns would be able to establish their own state that would potentially dominate the Balkans, barring the Avars from ever creating their khanate there, which could force Slavic tribes like the White Croats, Red Croats, and the Serbs to migrate into the Vistula region, and even possibly taking the Baltic states or migrating eastward.

Zoroastrian Russia would have an effect on the Turkic peoples as well, since they might end up converting to Zoroastrianism if they are to be accepted by the Persians. Overall, we might be able to see Persia as the 'Russia' of this scenario. We may even see the Visigoths west of the Drina or the Ostrogoths in the southern Danube.

With a Christian Arabia, Islam as we know it might be butterflied away, but Zoroastrianism could potentially become the "Islam" of this scenario, if it can be spread by trade and influence.

If the Avars or other tribes were able to create a wedge between Proto-Slavs and the Vistula Veneti but that might make the Balts more powerful since the Vistula Veneti and the Balts were closely related and close in geography so the Balts absorb the Veneti.

 

[Tobit]

I don't think that the Greeks would easily come back if Constantinople is captured. After all it is more than just Constantinople that Attila captured, he had command of just about all of Moesia and had totally destroyed Byzantine armies with ease. At the same time Byzantium was quite reliant on unreliable Barbarian soldiers for a lot of their fighting.

That being said perhaps the Byzantine cause would relocate to Alexandria.

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

True, although if the Byzantines would move to Alexandria, then the Eastern Roman Empire might change to a Southern Roman Empire while the Western Roman Empire could become a Northern Roman Empire. That being said, Attila could still use a lot of help with subduing Byzantium. Perhaps if he was less of a jerk and more of a reasonable man, he could have avoided being defeated at a battle somewhere in Gaul.