AHC: Prevent Imperialism
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PoeFacedKilla
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The only way stop European imperialism is to do the opposite of what AH.comers normally do when making a country stronger, they make everyone else weaker.
You need to literally make everyone else stronger, mainly Africa and Central America.
Africa will halt the Europeans fast if they go exploring and continually get their asses kicked, same for going west.
So how do you do this.
Wank the Mali and Kongo, sure figuring that out isn't so easy but theres an idea.
America, how do you Wank them?
It seems there more of a confederate culture (Africa too, but they have had Civilizations and Empires similar to Europeans, Indians and Mainland Asians) and thus could be played against each other. You would need strong rulers but I think wanking Morocco and Algeria, Malia and Kongo and maybe even create an Ethiopian empire that vassalizes most of east Africa and then Europeans will be sailing into waters surrounding powerful nations.
You need to literally make everyone else stronger, mainly Africa and Central America.
Africa will halt the Europeans fast if they go exploring and continually get their asses kicked, same for going west.
So how do you do this.
Wank the Mali and Kongo, sure figuring that out isn't so easy but theres an idea.
America, how do you Wank them?
It seems there more of a confederate culture (Africa too, but they have had Civilizations and Empires similar to Europeans, Indians and Mainland Asians) and thus could be played against each other. You would need strong rulers but I think wanking Morocco and Algeria, Malia and Kongo and maybe even create an Ethiopian empire that vassalizes most of east Africa and then Europeans will be sailing into waters surrounding powerful nations.
I don't think Ming dominance would have prevented European imperialism. While the Chinese dynasties demanded submission and wasn't really into European-style imperialism (at least if you submitted peacefully, unlike the Dzungars), the flip side was that they didn't do much to help you. Malacca paid pretty regular tributes to the Ming all throughout the 15th Century but when Vietnam tried to invade them in 1471 China's response was essentially: 'Um, sorry guys'. And of course China didn't do much when the Portuguese actually took over Malacca. Korea was a major exception because it was considered the first among vassals, with Vietnam/Annam (which the Qing would go to war over for in the 1880s) a distant second.
I think you really have to screw over the European states for European imperialism to not take off. England, France, Spain, Portugal (and later Scandinavia and the HRE) must simply become hubs of endemic warfare, which means that even if the rest of the world is 'discovered' by intrepid adventurers, there isn't the capital or the inclination to exploit these openings. Maybe a failure of European monarchs to centralize, and the consequent splitting of their realms under feudal rule, could contribute to this.
Of course, you could make the native Americans/Africans/Asians stronger as well, but it's hard to see how development in those areas doesn't eventually rebound back to Europe.
I think you really have to screw over the European states for European imperialism to not take off. England, France, Spain, Portugal (and later Scandinavia and the HRE) must simply become hubs of endemic warfare, which means that even if the rest of the world is 'discovered' by intrepid adventurers, there isn't the capital or the inclination to exploit these openings. Maybe a failure of European monarchs to centralize, and the consequent splitting of their realms under feudal rule, could contribute to this.
Of course, you could make the native Americans/Africans/Asians stronger as well, but it's hard to see how development in those areas doesn't eventually rebound back to Europe.
In the case of Africa, advances in medicine were essential to allowing Europeans to venture into and conquer the interior. Previously, malaria had stymied not only Europeans but also Arabs. If you have this medical breakthrough not occur until much later, when perhaps worldwide attitudes toward colonization are different, at least portions of Africa can resist.
How about the Mongols? Ogedei Khan died much later, such that the armies could rush all the way to Gibraltar at ease, and the European feudal societies were reduced to mere rubbles, coupled with the Black Death, I am so sure that the Dark Age would have a comeback. Imperalism? there would possibly just be small convenient colonies dotted in Americas by the descendants of the fallen European kingdoms.
And then, after the inevitable fall of the Mongolians, along with right butterflies, stronger Asian and African powers would rise, or they were just strong when comparing to the much weaker European states. That way, you have an Europe which is much more fxxked up than OTL and an Asia/Africa which is doing better, and European Imperialism is no more.
And then, after the inevitable fall of the Mongolians, along with right butterflies, stronger Asian and African powers would rise, or they were just strong when comparing to the much weaker European states. That way, you have an Europe which is much more fxxked up than OTL and an Asia/Africa which is doing better, and European Imperialism is no more.
PoeFacedKilla
Banned
The Mongols won't make it past the Rhine...
Too many factors at play to many fronts and to many Catholics willing to fight to the last man...
by the late mittle ages "imperialism" was already part of european day to day business between nations. would seem very strange if it's not used externally too.
overseas imperialism was no different from over the border imperialism.
overseas imperialism was no different from over the border imperialism.