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Here's a bit of a silly challenge. Have no French King with the name of Louis with a POD preferably at the Treaty of Verdun. No, you can't have another power controlling the Geographic region of France.
Perhaps if a 'Louis I' looses a succession struggle and his successor demonizes the name?
The problem is that Louis I was the eldest son of Charlemagne, and predates the Treaty of Verdun. In fact, he was co-emperor with his father from 813 which massively predates that treaty (843).Perhaps if a 'Louis I' looses a succession struggle and his successor demonizes the name?
I WAS going to claim Clovis is an entirely different name - but apparently it isn't. Hunh.Do other forms of "Louis" count, like Clovis?
Consider the opposite though. Clovis might mean the same thing, but it's not exactly the same name, so it wouldn't count, and therefore I suppose you could theoretically keep Germanic or Latinate names more common among the Frankish aristocracy as opposed to their later French forms?I WAS going to claim Clovis is an entirely different name - but apparently it isn't. Hunh.
OTOH, if you look up 'list of French monarchs' on Wiki, the person labelled "Louis I the Pious" is Charlemagne's oldest son.
So we could get MORE Louis's in the count if we added Clovis (or Clovises?) but that doesn't help ELIMINATE the name used for ANY French King.
Well, technically they are different names that share a common ancestry. Both come from the Ancient German Chlodovech, which was then latinized either as Clodovicus (which was shortened into Clovis later on) or Ludovicus (which in turn gave us Louis as well as another name that is distinct, Ludovic). The same thing could be argued with the equivalent of Louis in other languages such as the German Ludwig or the English Lewis.Dathi THorfinnsson said:I WAS going to claim Clovis is an entirely different name - but apparently it isn't. Hunh.
Not necessarilly: you still have the Franks around and it's possible another King than Clovis could appear to unite them and create a Frankish realm that would eventually become France. That said, it could be a very different France from OTL.Neirdak said:I think you need to kill, dishonor or to butterfly Clovis 1. Sadly, Childeric I only had a son and two daughters. So killing Clovis would perhaps butterfly France itself.
Whose to say Carloman couldn't name one of his sons Louis? As was noted before, it was a pretty popular name among the Franks.Bee said:Back up a few more decades. Have Charlemagne die young and Carloman live a full lifespan instead of the other way round as in OTL. Thereafter, the name Louis never becomes one of the pool of royal names.
Well, you still had seven Louis before Philippe II so that doesn't fit the OP.The Professor said:Kill off Phillippe II early enough and we might get a few more Henrys, Thibaults, or Roberts
Whose to say Carloman couldn't name one of his sons Louis? As was noted before, it was a pretty popular name among the Franks.