That's exactly what I mean.What on earth is a pseudo-fascist state? You mean like Francoist Spain after the '40s? Or Salazarist Portugal, where they're really just incredibly reactionary Catholic regimes?
What on earth is a pseudo-fascist state?
What on earth is a pseudo-fascist state? You mean like Francoist Spain after the '40s? Or Salazarist Portugal, where they're really just incredibly reactionary Catholic regimes?
Anyways, and independent Deseret that loses (yet survives) a traumatic war might go fascist, but I suspect that the power of the LDS Church would lend Deseret towards clerical fascism. Of course, we're going to need a charismatic Leader who is above and beyond all others in the nation's political, spiritual, and moral authority, which might not jibe with the whole "Quorum of Apostles" business.
Frankly, I see Deseret being more similar to Iran in terms of governance.
well after the civil war there was a moromon movement in the west calling for a state of deseret which encompassed utah, nevada, and parts of socal, colorado, idaho, wyoming. maybe they get violent after the feds say no to their request for statehood and declare independence. the union, having just gotten out of one bloody civil war doesn't want to dive straight into another one and recognized deseretese independence while planning to take them back later and then never getting around to it.It would have to be pseudo-Fascist, given that Fascism doesn't exist until 1920. Also I very highly doubt that anything close to this would ever happen. An independent Utah is almost immediately ASB, a fascist Utah is even moreso.
well after the civil war there was a moromon movement in the west calling for a state of deseret which encompassed utah, nevada, and parts of socal, colorado, idaho, wyoming.
An independent Utah is almost immediately ASB, a fascist Utah is even moreso.
It is ASB with the federal victory in the U.S. civil war. But... what if confederate victories in 1862 in conjunction with say, the death of Lincoln due to illness led to at least temporary CSA independence. The war is then followed by long, exhausting clashes as each nation attempts to claim border states or areas.
A battered and bruised federal government would be far less capable of dictating terms to the Mormons.
It is ASB with the federal victory in the U.S. civil war. But... what if confederate victories in 1862 in conjunction with say, the death of Lincoln due to illness led to at least temporary CSA independence. The war is then followed by long, exhausting clashes as each nation attempts to claim border states or areas.
A battered and bruised federal government would be far less capable of dictating terms to the Mormons.
Federal victory was inevitable so long as the Federals retained the will to fight. That will, however, was some what fragile and waxed and waned several times.Also, even if Lincoln died, the Confederacy had no real chance of winning.
The successful secession of a large chunk of the western territories after the South would probably be seen as evidence by other countries that the United States was collapsing entirely, and the US will be desperate to prevent that.
Conversely, a battered and bruised U.S. might be looking for a way to redeem itself and view the Mormons as 'easier pickings'.
I doubt the CSA would have either the interest (especially after the Mountain Meadow massacare of Arkansans) or the ability to guarantee their independence. Rather, they would simply support them under the "enemy of my enemy is my "friend" " concept.Of course unless the CSA garanteed their independence or something. Would they?
A linear depiction of political thought (left - central- right) is not always accurate. Rather, political thought is best shown as a circle in some instances.I'm thinking you don't really know much about the Mormons. The idea they'd make a fascists state pretty much goes against their religious beliefs.
Have you ever studied their church welfare system? Far superior to anything the country practices.
Out of the major religions, only one hasn't had a fascist or authoritarian arguably-fascist state: Hinduism, and that's not because of any aspect of the religion but because India became independent peacefully and after the Axis had been defeated.I'm thinking you don't really know much about the Mormons. The idea they'd make a fascists state pretty much goes against their religious beliefs.
Racial toleration and women's suffrage are completely different things, though.Did you know they had women's suffrage long before the country did? The US Congress made them remove it as a condition of statehood along with several other things.
No, I have not. But this is a what-if, not a modern commentary.Have you ever studied their church welfare system? Far superior to anything the country practices.
What on earth is a pseudo-fascist state? You mean like Francoist Spain after the '40s? Or Salazarist Portugal, where they're really just incredibly reactionary Catholic regimes?
Anyways, and independent Deseret that loses (yet survives) a traumatic war might go fascist, but I suspect that the power of the LDS Church would lend Deseret towards clerical fascism. Of course, we're going to need a charismatic Leader who is above and beyond all others in the nation's political, spiritual, and moral authority, which might not jibe with the whole "Quorum of Apostles" business.
Frankly, I see Deseret being more similar to Iran in terms of governance.