That was at the start. No campaigns. Specific engagement/battle. Lasts max of 5 days.
AHC: Create the Largest Naval Battle you can sometime after the start of WW1
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British counterattack at sea? Destroyers and smaller warships in the middle of barges, with damage done by weaponry and big wakes. Crusiers and battle line blasting away on the perimeter. Submarines from both sides firing torpedoes in several directions.
The RN wouldn't step back from that fight. That would be part of their raison d'etre
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Yep, they'd certainly be up for that.
It would be like all the RN's birthdays had come all at once!
German bodies from the barges would be washing up on both sides of the Channel for weeks.
My weird timeline where I had the PoD be the Great People's Revolutionary Hammer (800 megaton nuclear bomb) from For All Time explode over the heads of the Entente armies marshalling for the Hundred Days Offensive, after much shenanigans most of Europe (France, Germany, the Low Countries, Poland, and the former Russian Empire up to the Urals) assembled as a huge socialist federation with massive industrial strength and with the expertise of all those nations built a defensive armada made for keeping the United States and the Royal Navy from being able to get a toehold on the European continent.
There is letterstime where Jutland equivalent really is fought out
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A fictional alternate universe account of the World War 1 battles of Jutland and Dogger Bank, along with related works of fiction inspired by these stories
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How does one measure largeness? Tonnage of Capital Ships including strike aviation, Cruisers (Battle) and Cruisers (Large)? Inches or mm of weapons 9.2" or greater (summed as calibre per barrel)? Hulls (ship)? Hulls (ship + boat)? Navally oriented aircraft aloft? Engines aloft? Tonnes of TNT equivalent of air carried munition?
It seems to be
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Post war I'd argue it is area of ocean denied to OPFOR's uncontested use regardless of the method of effect.
yours,
Sam R.
It seems to be
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- Inches
- Weight
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Post war I'd argue it is area of ocean denied to OPFOR's uncontested use regardless of the method of effect.
yours,
Sam R.
If any of you are familiar with Red Napoleon a book by Floyd Gibbons, these battles are described there in some detail
en.m.wikipedia.org
The Red Napoleon - Wikipedia
I would define it as the manpower out on the waves in the surface ships of both sides. Aircraft specifically designed for naval combat would also count towards the total. Tonnage, weight doesn't concern me too much. But the scenario cannot involve people deciding to build 100 times as many boats as they did IOTL. Too be fair. I'm not anything of a naval historian. Maybe this isn't the best way to measure it? It was the best I could think of.
France collapses early in WW1, somehow, and Russia is bludgeoned out of the war soon after. A new naval race kicks off between Germany (now in possession of French ports and industry, ditto for the low countries and some of central Europe.). Give it 10 years, maybe 15, and you can have an enormous naval action. The geography of the North Sea and European waters lends itself to massive, full fleet actions.
I'm not sure that would be larger then Jutland. Anything post the WNT scrappenings is losing out on a lot of hulls. Moreover, I suspect that it'd be a series of actions; The UK can't exactly deploy their whole fleet to the Caribbean, and the Americans have the whole Pacific to worry about.
Maybe the numbers in Jutland could be increased by delaying introduction of Dreadnoughts by a few years [1], so there are more predreadnoughts in use. The Jutland action then requires closer range engagement and more numbers, so it's more like a big Tsushima where the short distances and lower speeds mean once in contact there's little choice but to engage. And if anyone does try to break off, the few dreadnoughts can help the light cruisers run them down.
alt-Jutland becomes far more destructive, uses a few more ships, and everyone there gets fully involved.
[1] Needs some perceived barrier as it was a technology of its time with several countries heading that way at the same time, perhaps preferring secrecy over dominance.
alt-Jutland becomes far more destructive, uses a few more ships, and everyone there gets fully involved.
[1] Needs some perceived barrier as it was a technology of its time with several countries heading that way at the same time, perhaps preferring secrecy over dominance.
Wasnt there an e-boat attack on the D-Day landings. Surely that must be the largest battle then - if a bit one sided
Advancing the start of World War One is easier than delaying the introduction of dreadnoughts. An Agadir Crisis triggered war would have the war kick off in 1911. That gives Germany 7 dreadnoughts commissioned, all triple expansion powered and the RN 10 dreadnoughts commissioned. Germany would have 3 battlecruisers while the RN would have 3 or 4 I class battlecruisers. With these low number the pre-dreadnoughts would have to be involved in the main fleet actions, and the armoured cruisers would have a bigger role.
The write-up kinda mentions whats going on lol
Battle of the Flanders Bight, Oct 29-31st 1918.
Jutland ends as a sweep without contact. Other sorties also go without contact until the final sortie of 24 Oct 1918 with GF and HSF at maximum strength. Germany had continued construction of Sachsen, Wurttemberg and both Mackensen and Graf Spee are complete. The GF includes all BC that would have been lost at Jutland and the 6th Battle Squadron of USN battleships under Adm Rodman.
Jutland ends as a sweep without contact. Other sorties also go without contact until the final sortie of 24 Oct 1918 with GF and HSF at maximum strength. Germany had continued construction of Sachsen, Wurttemberg and both Mackensen and Graf Spee are complete. The GF includes all BC that would have been lost at Jutland and the 6th Battle Squadron of USN battleships under Adm Rodman.
Good point. There weren't just E-Boats; the Germans sent the C900 ton torpedo boatsT18, Jaguar and Mowe which managed to sink the Norwegian destroyer Svenner before getting back to Le Havre. The Germans also sent out destroyers Z32, Z24 and ZH1 and the torpedo boat T24. They were engaged by the 8 destroyers of the 10th Flotilla. Z32 and ZH1 were sunk and the Allies suffered damage to HMS Tartar.
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Can I offer an alternative? A later War and perhaps delay Dreadnought for a couple of years so we have two years of more & better semi-dreadnoughts and more super-dreadnoughts. A delayed war will not show up the pre-dreadnoughts as floating death-traps until they actually show up. Jutland on steroids?
I was sketching this out last night and hopefully will post a more detailed idea soon.