AHC: Bavarian Belgium

[Will Kürlich Kerl]

Challenge: With a POD after 1748, have Bavaria acquire Belgium/Southern Netherlands.

 

[freivolk]

Challenge: Have Bavaria acquire Belgium/Southern Netherlands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ferdinand,_Prince_of_Asturias lives longer. When Charles II. dies he becomes his successor for all spanish territorys or he gets Belgium if the Spanish Empire gets divided.

 

[Will Kürlich Kerl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ferdinand,_Prince_of_Asturias lives longer. When Charles II. dies he becomes his successor for all spanish territorys or he gets Belgium if the Spanish Empire gets divided.

I knew that, I just forgot to put the limit on.

 

[freivolk]

Challenge: With a POD after 1748, have Bavaria acquire Belgium/Southern Netherlands.

I assume you want Belgium and Bavaria under the same ruler, not just that the Wittelsbach exchange Bavaria against Belgium.

So lets say Friedrich II. of Prussia dies in 1784. Friedrich Wilhelm II. has propably neither the reputation nor the interest to completly prevent the Belgium-Bavarian exchange, but he manage to reduce the austrian gains. Austria just gets Upper Palatinate and Lower Bavaria, Karl II. stays bavarian elector and keeps Upper Bavaria and gains Belgium and the title King of Burgundy. Prussia gets Julisch, Berg, Ansbach and Bayreuth.

 

[ghappy1000]

Maybe another possibility would be a prince of Bavaria becoming king of Belgium in 1830 after its independence instead of Leopold of Saxe Coburg Gotha.

 

[dead_wolf]

Maybe another possibility would be a prince of Bavaria becoming king of Belgium in 1830 after its independence instead of Leopold of Saxe Coburg Gotha.

Quite. The Belgian National Congress was dead-locked in two elections over who they should offer the throne to, so they instead elected a Regent who went on to pick the monarch. That election was 108 votes for Erasme Louis Surlet de Chokier, against 43 for Félix de Mérode & 5 for Étienne Constantin de Gerlache. However, de Mérode only lost the election because he campaigned against his own selection, believing that his low status as a mere baron (or count; records differ on his status before the Revolution) would harm the legitimacy of the Belgians' movement for independence. After the defeat of Prince Louis, Duke of Nemours in the first two elections for the crown de Mérode supported the election of Prince Otto of Bavaria (who IOTL was elected Otto of Greece in 1832).

 

[freivolk]

Quite. The Belgian National Congress was dead-locked in two elections over who they should offer the throne to, so they instead elected a Regent who went on to pick the monarch. That election was 108 votes for Erasme Louis Surlet de Chokier, against 43 for Félix de Mérode & 5 for Étienne Constantin de Gerlache. However, de Mérode only lost the election because he campaigned against his own selection, believing that his low status as a mere baron (or count; records differ on his status before the Revolution) would harm the legitimacy of the Belgians' movement for independence. After the defeat of Prince Louis, Duke of Nemours in the first two elections for the crown de Mérode supported the election of Prince Otto of Bavaria (who IOTL was elected Otto of Greece in 1832).

But that would just mean, that Belgium gets a Wittelsbach-King. Not that Bavaria aquire Belgium.

 

[dead_wolf]

But that would just mean, that Belgium gets a Wittelsbach-King. Not that Bavaria aquire Belgium.

It's a start.

 

[freivolk]

It's a start.

Not really. I think my scenario i the only workable.

 

[Pischinovski]

Not really. I think my scenario i the only workable.

The only? Be careful with such statement's, AH is nothing more than speculation.

Another possebility:
Have the Bavarians gain Belgium after the Napoleonic Wars.
A lil scenario:
-Saxony switches to the Coalition as soon as possible
-Saxony stays intact after the wars.
-Prussia gains a large chunk of Franconia instead of the north of Saxony
-Bavaria gains the Palatinate and (instead of Franconia) Belgium

 

[dead_wolf]

Not really. I think my scenario i the only workable.

Well that's very humble of you.

 

[Max Sinister]

A bit later: During WW1, some Bavarians wanted to acquire Belgium. Well, there were many plans around.

 

[Vanity 6]

1748 Peace of Aix-la-Chapelle. Stronger Austrian performance in the war makes them more stubborn at the peace conference. In return for ceding Silesia and Parma the demand pieces in South Germany, some of it at Bavarian expense. So they get Lower Bavaria (and Salzburg and Berchtesgaden) and Bavaria takes the Austrian Netherlands as the Bavarian Netherlands.