AHC: A Perfect World (Paris Peace Conference 1919)

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Your goal, is to create the best possible results in the 1919 Paris Peace Conference for the most peaceful 20th century with a POD no earlier then November 11, 1918.

If this needs to be moved to chat, so he it. What needs to be done differently?

Issues

Middle East
Arabian State
Oil
Jewish State

Europe
Reparations from Germany
Alsace-Loraine
Communist Russia
Balkans (Yulglsvia and Austria-Hungry)
Starving masses

Bonus points if you can address European colonies in Africa, Ireland, and Blacks in the US.

Extra bonus points if you can established a world order that last to mordern day
 
Europe:
-France takes AL but referendums are allowed for East Prussia to join Germany or Poland, or at least Danzig to do so
-Austria and Sudeten region given choice to join Germany through referendum
-Bohemia and Slovakia seperate states from the get go
-Yugoslavia seperated into many states from the get go and Italy takes the regions it desired
-Romania does not get Transylvania
-Russia allowed to join League of Nations
-Lighter reparations for Germany and/or an economic integreation project and a debt council
-Demilitarization not as harsh as OTL but rhineland at least demilitarized till debts are repaid.

Asia:
-China gets Taiwan and Republicans are supported
-Ho Chi Minh is granted his wish and Vietnam is decolonized
-India given independence or transforms to Dominion status

Middle East:
-Two state solution based on 1947 UN plan for Israel and Palestine
-Kurdish state
-Possibily a united arab government NOT under the Sauds
Iraq and Syria most likely independent
-Egypt given independence and Sudanese given referendum to either join with Egypt or become independent
-Libya given independence in exchange in Italy getting the above mentioned claims in the balkans

Not sure about Africa through.....
 
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The US agrees that the war debt gouging of the allies was not in the best interests of all parties and excuse a significant amount of the debt in exchange for access to advantageous trade deals and some territory.

As a result, the UK persuades France that the German reparations should be reduced on the condition that Prussian militarism can be mitigated somehow. Perhaps by compulsory Prussian military contributions to help police the allies colonies and by removing Prussia from full membership of German Federation. Even use the Prussians to contribute large forces and treasure to the Russian intervention forces.
 
To make it be signed on the French side, you need a minima :
Alsace-Lorraine : annexed by France.
Reparations : cover the damage to Entente industrial infrastructure destroyed by German troops. This means a bunch of money, but nowhere as much as IOTL.
German army : demilitarisation of the frontier with Allied powers. However, Germany is allowed and encouragedtto maintain a militarised border with the Reds should it have one.

To make sure peace lasts :
Creation of a proto-ECSC. (Faster return to prosperity of Germany and France has a degree of control on the German industry)
Creation of a "war debt council" to make smoother the payments of war debts and deal with Red Russia's default (i.e. all war bonds lose some of their value to compensate).
No war guilt clause. The reparations are justified by the fact that the Western Front almost exclusively took place on French soil.
Demilitarisation : the frontiers with France and Belgium are not to be militarised for 20 years. Germany's peacetime armed forces are capped at 300 000 men, for a duration of 20 years. This cap can be overruled in case of deliberate foreign aggression that is not linked to the terms of the treaty, or if a general agreement with regards to arms reduction is reached during the 20 years, or, temporarily, in the case of a request by France and Britain for an international intervention.
Colonies : Namibia to Britain as per OTL. France, Italy and Britain share the Cameroon. Tanzania can be left to the Germans.


Austria-Hungary :
-There is nothing wrong with Czechoslovakia as is.
-Serbia gets Bosnia-Herzegovina.
-An independent Kingdom of Croatia is created in Croatia and Slovenia.
-Hungary is to have referenda for Voivodina and the Transsylvanian regions on national appartenance.
-Italy gets Tyrol, Istria and Italophone parts of Dalmatia.
-Austria is allowed to join Germany, but only after a referendum.
-Galicia-Lodomeria to Poland.

Eastern German border :
Independent Referenda are to be held in the Prussias, Silesias, Danzig and Memel on national appartenance. Poznania is ceded to Poland either way.
Should Poland wind up without an access to the Baltic, Germany will give Poland free transit on the Vistula and demilitarise both sides of the river on 2 km.

Red Russia : All signatories of the treaty will support the White factions and Poland over the Reds, either with armaments or troops. Germany is expected, but not forced, to grant Entente troops free passage by train for the duration of the Russia Civil War.

Asia : OTL is fine for now, but the Western Powers will endeavour to support Sun Yat-Sen instead of the corrupt warlords and Beiyang government.

Bulgaria : as per OTL.
Turkey : full balkanisation.
- Greece gets Smyrna and Thracia.
- Constantinople becomes an international city, the likes of Tangiers (not a free city like Danzig). The administration will be Greek though.
- An Armenian state is recreated in Eastern Turkey.
- If there is enough Pontic culture left, a Pontic state is recreated around Trebizond.
- France obtains a coastal strip corresponding to Cilicia, a Greater Lebanon, and Palestine. It gets the first and the last as mandates and not full colonies.
- Britain gains the Hedjaz, Mesopotamia, Syria, Jordania as an Hashemite Arab Mandate. It also gains a protectorate over a vassal Kingdom of the Kurds.
 

Wallet

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What about the European famine, League of Nations (and US admission), and African colonies
 
What about the European famine, League of Nations (and US admission), and African colonies
African colonies : the Congo must be dealt with but outside that, it can stay. For a while.
LoN : spin it as a means to vie for international influence for reduced cost and not just the Anglo-French back lawn.
European famine : ehhh... Just make sure the British blockade is no longer in action.
 
To make sure peace lasts :
Creation of a proto-ECSC.
Creation of a "war debt council" to make smoother the payments of war debts and deal with Red Russia's default.
Colonies : Namibia to Britain as per OTL. France, Italy and Britain share the Cameroon. Tanzania can be left to the Germans.
Austria-Hungary :
-There is nothing wrong with Czechoslovakia as is.
-Serbia gets Bosnia-Herzegovina.
-An independent Kingdom of Croatia is created in Croatia and Slovenia.
-Hungary is to have referenda for Voivodina and the Transsylvanian regions on national appartenance.
-Italy gets Tyrol, Istria and Italophone parts of Dalmatia.
-Austria is allowed to join Germany, but only after a referendum.
-Galicia-Lodomeria to Poland.

Eastern German border :
Independent Referenda are to be held in the Prussias, Silesias, Danzig and Memel on national appartenance. Poznania is ceded to Poland either way.
Should Poland wind up without an access to the Baltic, Germany will give Poland free transit on the Vistula and demilitarise both sides of the river on 2 km.

Red Russia : All signatories of the treaty will support the White factions and Poland over the Reds, either with armaments or troops. Germany is expected, but not forced, to grant Entente troops free passage by train for the duration of the Russia Civil War.

Asia : OTL is fine for now, but the Western Powers will endeavour to support Sun Yat-Sen instead of the corrupt warlords and Beiyang government.

Bulgaria : as per OTL.
Turkey : full balkanisation.

This sounds really good, but I do have two concerns. First, are you talking about giving Italy all of Tyrol, or partitioning it per OTL. Neither is good for long term peace. Especially if Austria is part of Germany and Germany has less to anger it than in the OTL. Tyrol ends up being a much bigger deal than it would be to a Germany with many more concerns.

The other thing I'm not sure of is how you plan on enforcing completely balkanizing Turkey. Much of what you are proposing was in the original treaty with Turkey that Kemal Ataturk tore up. What's in it for Turkey?

I'd like to add two things. One thing is that I've always felt Germany's feared manpower should have been used to restore the damage in Belgium and France in lieu of cash reparations. I also feel that given the Bolshevik threat and the fact that Germany had more people than France that what they did wasn't in France's best interest. Not the way a pro-French Austria-Bavaria (with a good chunk of Sudentenland) would have.
 
This sounds really good, but I do have two concerns. First, are you talking about giving Italy all of Tyrol, or partitioning it per OTL. Neither is good for long term peace. Especially if Austria is part of Germany and Germany has less to anger it than in the OTL. Tyrol ends up being a much bigger deal than it would be to a Germany with many more concerns.

The other thing I'm not sure of is how you plan on enforcing completely balkanizing Turkey. Much of what you are proposing was in the original treaty with Turkey that Kemal Ataturk tore up. What's in it for Turkey?

I'd like to add two things. One thing is that I've always felt Germany's feared manpower should have been used to restore the damage in Belgium and France in lieu of cash reparations. I also feel that given the Bolshevik threat and the fact that Germany had more people than France that what they did wasn't in France's best interest. Not the way a pro-French Austria-Bavaria (with a good chunk of Sudentenland) would have.
Thanks for the compliment.
Now, for Tyrol, I was trying to avoid the "mutilated peace" feeling in Italy which sure led to the rise of the Fascists. Now with Dalmatia, Cameroon and Istria, instead of just Istria, it's going to be much better on that PoV. Balancing the needs of Germany and those of Italy would be necessary. At least the Italophone parts of Tyrol should go to Italy IMO.
Well, Turkey would require the French and British pushing as far as they can, which might be complicated against the Turks. This is why there would need to be some perks for other nations to join in. Like keeping Italy in with the original part's treaty. Of course, there would be considerable domestic opposition to keeping the war going, but even if he isn't, Akaturk could be spun as an extension of the Reds against which the West is crusading.

The part about German manpower is actually quite good. One year, where its soldiers at the time of capitulation are to work in France and Belgium to repair the damages at the expense of Germany. (And England, perhaps, for the damaged cities)
The problem with splitting Germany apart is that it likely wouldn't be acceptable to the Americans. Even if they don't give a damn about Turkey, they do give a damn about the fate of Germany. France would relish breaking Germany down in five - Baden-Wurtemberg, a Cisrhenan Republic, Hannover, Bavaria and Prussia - but it would not be stable and would lead to war later on.
Even if Bavaria has the highest chances of being independent and stable, the French getting a dominant say in the alt-ECSC by stacking its institutions (or just making sure it's one country, one vote) would be interesting.
 
Why is breaking up turkey a goal?
Because it is necessary for the independence of a real Arab state, a Kurdish state and an Armenian one. For the treatment of which the successive Turkish governments were less than nice.

Edit : besides, the French treatment of Syria was less than stellar, since it caused the current civil war by making the Alawites the dominant group. Here the French territories are more ethnically and religiously divided, and with time and investment they have a shot at integration. Besides, France gets the Jewish/Zionist hot potato.
In exchange, the British get a contiguous strip of land which can make a real Hashemite Arab state, with the possibility of later conquering the Nejd for it.
Although I have this weird idea of a Kingdom of Jerusalem ending up popping up. Nah. It's stupid.
 
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As long as they get the Poles to actually fight the Russians instead of making it easier for them to conquer Ukraine I'd say it's perfect.
 
One thing is that I've always felt Germany's feared manpower should have been used to restore the damage in Belgium and France in lieu of cash reparations.
The part about German manpower is actually quite good. One year, where its soldiers at the time of capitulation are to work in France and Belgium to repair the damages at the expense of Germany. (And England, perhaps, for the damaged cities)
Actually this would be quite ... problematic.

It would - overall - pay off well for Germany :
Reparations they had to pay OTL in very difficult to obtain hard currency, they could pay now in their own post-war 'soft' currency (the wages for the workers).
They would get rid of hundeds of thousands of otherwise jobless soldiers/workers, possible 'victims' of leftish or rightish propaganda causing a lot of trouble OTL.

It would - overall - pay off rather bad for France and maybe also Belgium :
With hundreds of thousands of workers at hand for no money ... what will happen to their own jobless ? ... not only soldiers ? Esp. in the building industry and agriculture.
What kind of worker would the french and belgian employee prefer ? Own, in trade-unions organised workers they have to pay for true wages or rather rightless workers they don't have to pay a dime for ?
What might do this to (entente) their home work-markets ?
How might their trade-unions and other leftishes react to such competitors for jobs ?


Btw : the reparations Germany had to pay OTL in goods, especially from the armistice (lorrys, airplanes and airplane motors, locomotives etc.) caused the according industries esp. in France a - mildly said - hard time. They couldn't sell their product well with all this stuff for almost nothing to pay for on the market.
 
Europe:
-France takes AL but referendums are allowed for East Prussia to join Germany or Poland, or at least Danzig to do so
-Austria and Sudeten region given choice to join Germany through referendum
-Bohemia and Slovakia seperate states from the get go
-Yugoslavia seperated into many states from the get go and Italy takes the regions it desired
-Romania does not get Transylvania
-Russia allowed to join League of Nations
-Lighter reparations for Germany and/or an economic integreation project and a debt council
-Demilitarization not as harsh as OTL but rhineland at least demilitarized till debts are repaid.

Asia:
-China gets Taiwan and Republicans are supported
-Ho Chi Minh is granted his wish and Vietnam is decolonized
-India given independence or transforms to Dominion status

Middle East:
-Two state solution based on 1947 UN plan for Israel and Palestine
-Kurdish state
-Possibily a united arab government NOT under the Sauds
Iraq and Syria most likely independent
-Egypt given independence and Sudanese given referendum to either join with Egypt or become independent
-Libya given independence in exchange in Italy getting the above mentioned claims in the balkans

Not sure about Africa through.....
WTF?!
 
Well just my two cents

- Italy: get what obtained in OTL both in jugoslavia and regarding colonies...the difference it's the time, the agreement is swift and there is no months of drama and humiliation or even D'Annunzio takeover of Fiume; Albania remain an italian protectorate with the 1913 border (and Italy evacuate Vlore) and there is some agreement with Greece over Albania, Turkey and Dodecanese (basically the italians relinquish their claim in favor of Greece in Turkey and support them, in exchange of a neutral zone in Epirus and a treaty port in Smirne)

France and UK basically what obtained in OTL

- make the proposed custom union between France, Italy and Belgium a reality, it will pave the way for some more comprehensive military alliance and will make the French feel more secure

- Germany get all Silesia and Memeland become just a demilitarizated zone but still German; Danzig become a free city as OTL but will have a referendum regarding his status after 25 years; reparation more in line with the Dawes Plan and try to avoid the scuttle of the German fleet (divide the ships between the entente and subtract their value from the reparations); permit later buy out of the territory ceded to Belgium and union with Austria (after 25 years) and make the armed forces limit temporary.

- Support Pildusky attempt of Intermarum, so to keep Germany and Russia occupied

- the US become a member of the League of the Nations due to better political management

- Hungary receive some minor concession regarding his border, just enough to block Bela Kun takeover; in exchange Romania get his share or reparations
 
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