AH Challenge: Let's make a realistic Code Geass timeline!

So the Philippines that I"m living in right now would not be dominantly Catholic but would be on an Orthodox-Catholic mix of northern populations... but with still a Muslim South... Anyway, the Philippines is fairly multicultural and multiracial (The Malay blood dominant in the veins of most of us; but not purely Malay anymore... with tons of East Asian immigrants and mestizos through the centuries.. I myself has Chinese, Aboriginal and mestizo ancestors...) Sounds :cool: to me... :D

The Khanate of Tondo..., sounded good to the ears..., :D

What would happen to Muslim pre-colonial Manila??...., Absorbed by the Khanate most likely it seems..., so Rajah Soliman would be a Muslim vassal ruler under the Tondo Khan then...

The capital of the Spanish Philippines must be better to be Cebu if Luzon would be mired by conflicts between the Russians and Spaniards... And for the Russians to be in the islands and involved in the Pacific... The Ming dynasty must keep China open... so the Qings would never get into power.... And China will remain competitive... so the Chinese Federation is not something which is impossible to happen...

It would gradually be Orthodox-Nestorian dominated, though the Khanate of Tondo would be conquered by the Spaniards in 1612, not 1565. There will be Catholics, but only around 40%, and Muslim parts would be around 20%, so the Orthodox-Nestorian Uniate peoples would also be 40%. Eventually, the reunited Khanate of Tondo would be Russian dominated, but not before they get into a sectarian civil war a-la OTL Bosnia, but with the Nestorian-Muslim Alliance against the Catholics. In the end, it would be 85% Uniate Orthodox-Nestorian Christians and 15% Muslims, but they would be a part of a unitary Khanate of Tondo. Of course, in terms of multiracial Tondo, it would be a mix of Malay and Turkic, as Latin blood would eventually be extinct over time. There may be interracial marriages between Turco-Malay Tondos and Slavic Russians, only in nobility.

The Revolt of the Three Feudatories in my thread involves restoring the Ming and confining the Manchus to Manchuria, which will be annexed by Russia.

As for the expanded Khanate of Tondo under Russian domination, I'm not sure which territories should be included: parts of Malaysia and Indonesia would be the best bet, especially Celebes and Borneo, but Australia needs to be a powerful patron in SE Asia as well. I'm thinking about a three way partition between the Chinese Confederation, the Soviet Union and Australia. Of course, the expanded Khanate of Tondo would have Korean, Mongol, Manchu as well as Central Asian, Caucasian and probably Balkan immigrants there too.

Any thoughts on expanded territories for the 'Khanate of Tondo'?
 
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Fall of 1st USSR: Second Russian Civil War breaks out, Red Army Generals defect to White side and help the emigre White Army topple Stalin's regime and restore the Russian Empire with Tsar Alexander (not OTL Alexander I, more like Romanov from RA2)

Fall of 2nd Russian Empire: Holy Britannian Empire invades Russian Empire, kills the Tsar and enacts a brutal, genocidal policy against all inhabitants of the Russian Empire. One charismatic ex-Tsarevich leads the Russians into war against Britannia and founds the second USSR, but with a fascist and nationalistic spirit before having an ideological divide, which the fascists would fall and the second USSR would transition into a democratic society, with its leaders examining the causes of their Rodina's descent into the fascist abyss. I'm also including elements from my own thread, "The Bear Migrates to the Pacific", with the part of Russian Philippines, plus parts of Malaysia and Indonesia that hasn't fallen to Australian rule. It does need parts of Indonesia as a buffer zone against the Confederation and Australia. (I called it the Grand Duchy of Beringia after Vitus Bering, and it would change its name to Tondo Soviet Sovereign/Socialist Republic. Tondostan may also be a suitable name, as would Rizalistan after a different Rizal from OTL Jose Rizal) On the other hand, the second USSR may have to absorb most of the Balkans to secure Constantinople. I also forgot that in my thread, Alaska is also included in the Soviet periphery as well.

Australia would have the giant island of New Guinea under its rule, as well as parts of Indonesia that didn't fall under Soviet rule. New Zealand would be taken away from Britannia. Australia would be settled by Britannians against the monarchy.

The EU, yeah I may take the idea from Aranfan's Viva La Revolution. The Ottoman Federation may have to include Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. What of Germany? Should it have OTL Kaiserreich German Empire, or like modern day OTL borders? I'm not sure if the second USSR would have a Warsaw-Pact with other nations or something.

One final question: I know that the TL that I'm doing is my fic, but do you think a Christian Golden Horde would be a perfect fit for a Russo-Tatar-Mongol state? Nevsky could use Geass to foresee Sartak's early death by Berke and influence events that would have Berke poisoned instead of Sartak. Sartak would then encourage his subjects to convert to Orthodoxy or simply increase the Nestorian conversion. I'm not sure if Orthodoxy and Nestorian Christianity would be a good mix or not, but if it's possible, I need advice on how Orthodoxy and Nestorianism would intermingle without any bad results.

Britannia invading Russia... :eek: That's a World War !! wow..., sort of a WW2 then? what's the WW1? with the EU? Wow.., You're doing this timeline way off the charts that the cannon has..., since anyway, the cannon timeline has a lot of missing pieces.., making it contradictory in many ways possible..., even ignoring logistics in warfare all of the sudden..., You can't conquer a lot of land without absorbing it well first... You'll have a lot of problems... It's not realistic even for ASB..., Then there's the 21st century consumer technology in the 1960s?? And of course the Knightmare Frames, but I do understand that there's Minovsky physics plus sakuradite around... That's the only way that the technology could be possible for the 1960s A.D..... But remember how globalization and free trade helped with the multiplication of wealth and advancement of consumer technologies... And how focus on military tend to sacrifice consumers... so I'd expect that there are things already more advanced than ours... but there are also technologies that we do have... but they didn't have... I don't know what are your plans on technologies..., But I hope that I'm helping... You can just ignore the ATB calendar if you want... since you have to accelerate technological history faster than OTL's... And the scope your history tends to go up to our 2010s... I don't know... I suggest that you realistically keep it to the 1960s... It's up to what year exactly?? To justify how is it possible that atomic energy has never been harnessed with the cannon CG's level of technological progress. It's like... :confused:???

By the way, on your suggestions, With the greater Russian territory, There must be a greater focus on navy, which means that the Japanese would be kept in check in expanding..., Will Korea become Russian in TTL?? I suggest that you do so... I'd also expect that with the Japanese having a natural resource curse around though; that a modernized and liberalized Japanese imperial shogunate might be continuing their xenophobic based isolationistic policy but a more liberal one than the old version... And with a society still more traditional and conservative than the ultra-liberal version of OTL... So the Japanese technologies of OTL will most likely be German and Italian... and speaking of Germany, you should look at the borders of the Napoleonic Roman Empire of Aranfan, that's the Germany that you should have... Just add the rest of Western Europe that's still not included over there like Spain, Portugal and the British Isles... so yes, it's complete.. that's the EU... And by the way, the British Isles would be a modern name of the former "Britannian Islands" since Britannia is going to move to North America after the Humiliation of Edinburgh...

With a Soviet Pacific, what's the way of get to Soviet Pacific from Soviet Russia?? where's the corridor?? Because I thought most likely that China, Indo-China and India is going to form a confederation right?? Ah.. yes.. this is my suggestion... it's gonna be Persia and Pakistan..., then include Ceylon..., the Andaman and Nicobar islands , Sumatra and then Borneo and Celebes so you can get to the Democratic Soviet Philippines... Wow... :cool: So anyway, is the second USSR going to be socialist-democratic ala Nordic countries and France??

There is also a conflict between Trotsky and Stalin during the 1920s..., so the Second Russian Civil War is gonna be even more confusing, fragmented and anarchic..

The buffer zone between the Chindian (China-India) Confederation, the Union of Soviet (Sovereign?) Republics and the United States of Australia (the USA here!) could just be the West Malaysia of OTL with its Singapore..., Call it the Republic of Malayastan... That's a small buffer state... But at least there's a buffer..., I really don't expect parts of Indonesia could become a buffer... Get Java and Timor to be Australian... And with Indonesia divided.. there are surely border disputes that will rise between the USSR and USA..., Hahahaha..:cool::eek:... And remember Spratlys..., Whoa..., that's a three way dispute then... ;)....

The United States of Australia would rise out of itself in the confusion of the Napoleonic Wars... get American refugees into there.. perhaps someone like Thomas Jefferson?? Robert Livingston?? :D ... It would become an EU vassal at first... but soon will become an independent country all by itself, following Canada's history... Something like that...

Alaska is yes..., it's not going to be taken away by Britannia... Never!! :mad: ..., So yes, the CG world is not very Britannian in its focus... a product of the authors' provincialism... Amazing...
What's your plan of Britannia getting into Central and South America?... In my case, I think it should not go Britannian until the 20th century A.D. ... as a consequence of a World War something... I suspect that the Spanish and Portuguese monarchies might move away to South America as a result of the Napoleonic menace... And with no British (or Britannians) in the Peninsular War, Napoleon, with his Geass, is going to be victorious... Add the faster technological advancements, Africa is gonna fall to EU very fast!... Even if Napoleon is gonna die or something... I don't think that the Iberians might want their monarchs to be around for long.. given the benefits of liberalism entering into their lands... and I suspect that Napoleon is going to be not so authoritarian ... given Franklin's influence upon him... so it would be plausible...

On your Christian Golden HOrde, I'm your good angel in encouraging you to do so..., But yes I'll research on this Nestorian-Orthodox hybridization... if it's workable... But yes... It would be great for Mongol Christians to be around... Wow... Russia is like what, a mix of the legacies of the Byzantine and Mongol Empires..?? :cool:... Make Russia be proud of itself as a "New Rome"..., Hehehe...

 
It would gradually be Orthodox-Nestorian dominated, though the Khanate of Tondo would be conquered by the Spaniards in 1612, not 1565. There will be Catholics, but only around 40%, and Muslim parts would be around 20%, so the Orthodox-Nestorian Uniate peoples would also be 40%. Eventually, the reunited Khanate of Tondo would be Russian dominated, but not before they get into a sectarian civil war a-la OTL Bosnia, but with the Nestorian-Muslim Alliance against the Catholics. In the end, it would be 85% Uniate Orthodox-Nestorian Christians and 15% Muslims, but they would be a part of a unitary Khanate of Tondo. Of course, in terms of multiracial Tondo, it would be a mix of Malay and Turkic, as Latin blood would eventually be extinct over time. There may be interracial marriages between Turco-Malay Tondos and Slavic Russians, only in nobility.

The Revolt of the Three Feudatories in my thread involves restoring the Ming and confining the Manchus to Manchuria, which will be annexed by Russia.

As for the expanded Khanate of Tondo under Russian domination, I'm not sure which territories should be included: parts of Malaysia and Indonesia would be the best bet, especially Celebes and Borneo, but Australia needs to be a powerful patron in SE Asia as well. I'm thinking about a three way partition between the Chinese Confederation, the Soviet Union and Australia. Of course, the expanded Khanate of Tondo would have Korean, Mongol, Manchu as well as Central Asian, Caucasian and probably Balkan immigrants there too.

Any thoughts on expanded territories for the 'Khanate of Tondo'?


Don't include Western Mindanao and North Borneo, Make it Muslim..., The rest of Borneo and the entire Celebes is fine... with the rest of Mindanao also..., And yes, most of the Visayas and most of Luzon.., could you left Northern Luzon to the Spaniards?? Make their capital at Vigan..., And that's where the Catholics of Tondo Luzon would move... I also want to have Eastern Visayas Spanish..., I'm willing to give up my beloved ancestral Cebu homeland to the Khanate... The Spanish Visayas would be centered in Naga ( yes include part of Bicol on it please...:D)... Anyway, it's just temporary..., And soon..., out of Spanish Luzon and Visayas would be Soviet autonomous republics... given their Catholic heritage.. Hehehe... So please don't make our Latin and East Asian bloods die!! Hahaha.. So the Soviet Philippines is even more multiracial.., with the unheard immigrants from the Balkans, Slavic and Turkic lands plus Mongolia, Korea, Manchuria and Central Asia??...! Whoa... Hohoho! I'm thinking that the Aetas (black pygmies of our country, where part of my ancestry probably came from aside from the Latin, Chinese and Malayan bloods that I have) would become slaves though even if it didn't happened here... Haay... that's European racism for you...
 
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Britannia invading Russia... :eek: That's a World War !! wow..., sort of a WW2 then? what's the WW1? with the EU? Wow.., You're doing this timeline way off the charts that the cannon has..., since anyway, the cannon timeline has a lot of missing pieces.., making it contradictory in many ways possible..., even ignoring logistics in warfare all of the sudden..., You can't conquer a lot of land without absorbing it well first... You'll have a lot of problems... It's not realistic even for ASB..., Then there's the 21st century consumer technology in the 1960s?? And of course the Knightmare Frames, but I do understand that there's Minovsky physics plus sakuradite around... That's the only way that the technology could be possible for the 1960s A.D..... But remember how globalization and free trade helped with the multiplication of wealth and advancement of consumer technologies... And how focus on military tend to sacrifice consumers... so I'd expect that there are things already more advanced than ours... but there are also technologies that we do have... but they didn't have... I don't know what are your plans on technologies..., But I hope that I'm helping... You can just ignore the ATB calendar if you want... since you have to accelerate technological history faster than OTL's... And the scope your history tends to go up to our 2010s... I don't know... I suggest that you realistically keep it to the 1960s... It's up to what year exactly?? To justify how is it possible that atomic energy has never been harnessed with the cannon CG's level of technological progress. It's like... :confused:???

By the way, on your suggestions, With the greater Russian territory, There must be a greater focus on navy, which means that the Japanese would be kept in check in expanding..., Will Korea become Russian in TTL?? I suggest that you do so... I'd also expect that with the Japanese having a natural resource curse around though; that a modernized and liberalized Japanese imperial shogunate might be continuing their xenophobic based isolationistic policy but a more liberal one than the old version... And with a society still more traditional and conservative than the ultra-liberal version of OTL... So the Japanese technologies of OTL will most likely be German and Italian... and speaking of Germany, you should look at the borders of the Napoleonic Roman Empire of Aranfan, that's the Germany that you should have... Just add the rest of Western Europe that's still not included over there like Spain, Portugal and the British Isles... so yes, it's complete.. that's the EU... And by the way, the British Isles would be a modern name of the former "Britannian Islands" since Britannia is going to move to North America after the Humiliation of Edinburgh...

With a Soviet Pacific, what's the way of get to Soviet Pacific from Soviet Russia?? where's the corridor?? Because I thought most likely that China, Indo-China and India is going to form a confederation right?? Ah.. yes.. this is my suggestion... it's gonna be Persia and Pakistan..., then include Ceylon..., the Andaman and Nicobar islands , Sumatra and then Borneo and Celebes so you can get to the Democratic Soviet Philippines... Wow... :cool: So anyway, is the second USSR going to be socialist-democratic ala Nordic countries and France??

There is also a conflict between Trotsky and Stalin during the 1920s..., so the Second Russian Civil War is gonna be even more confusing, fragmented and anarchic..

The buffer zone between the Chindian (China-India) Confederation, the Union of Soviet (Sovereign?) Republics and the United States of Australia (the USA here!) could just be the West Malaysia of OTL with its Singapore..., Call it the Republic of Malayastan... That's a small buffer state... But at least there's a buffer..., I really don't expect parts of Indonesia could become a buffer... Get Java and Timor to be Australian... And with Indonesia divided.. there are surely border disputes that will rise between the USSR and USA..., Hahahaha..:cool::eek:... And remember Spratlys..., Whoa..., that's a three way dispute then... ;)....

The United States of Australia would rise out of itself in the confusion of the Napoleonic Wars... get American refugees into there.. perhaps someone like Thomas Jefferson?? Robert Livingston?? :D ... It would become an EU vassal at first... but soon will become an independent country all by itself, following Canada's history... Something like that...

Alaska is yes..., it's not going to be taken away by Britannia... Never!! :mad: ..., So yes, the CG world is not very Britannian in its focus... a product of the authors' provincialism... Amazing...
What's your plan of Britannia getting into Central and South America?... In my case, I think it should not go Britannian until the 20th century A.D. ... as a consequence of a World War something... I suspect that the Spanish and Portuguese monarchies might move away to South America as a result of the Napoleonic menace... And with no British (or Britannians) in the Peninsular War, Napoleon, with his Geass, is going to be victorious... Add the faster technological advancements, Africa is gonna fall to EU very fast!... Even if Napoleon is gonna die or something... I don't think that the Iberians might want their monarchs to be around for long.. given the benefits of liberalism entering into their lands... and I suspect that Napoleon is going to be not so authoritarian ... given Franklin's influence upon him... so it would be plausible...

On your Christian Golden HOrde, I'm your good angel in encouraging you to do so..., But yes I'll research on this Nestorian-Orthodox hybridization... if it's workable... But yes... It would be great for Mongol Christians to be around... Wow... Russia is like what, a mix of the legacies of the Byzantine and Mongol Empires..?? :cool:... Make Russia be proud of itself as a "New Rome"..., Hehehe...


Well, I'm basing the events on the a.t.b. calendar too, right? A Christian Golden Horde would do wonders for a future Russia. There will be Catholic parts of the Khanate of Tondo, but confined to Vigan and eastern Visayas, like you suggested. 20% Catholic, 20% Muslim, and 60% Orthodox-Nestorian Uniate Christian.

WWI and WWII would be Russia against the EU, and WWIII would be Russia against Britannia. Though I don't know why there's monorail in a year where it's theoretically 1963. I'll make nuclear technology primitive enough to resemble 1945, with the Soviets A-Bombing Britannia in retaliation for Britannia FLEIJA bombing the USSR. Of course, the main ships of the Soviet Navy (more important since they're a Pacific power) would consist of attack submarines, submarine carriers, regular carriers and battleships that have Katyusha rocket launchers.

Korea is under Russian control, though their relationship would be like the Russians and Tatars. Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan would become part of the USSR, and that results in a USSR-wank, but then again, Britannia is Anglo-American wank too, right? Malayastan was originally going to be the nation that composes OTL Maphilindo, but we'll just settle with Malaysia instead. The second USSR would be like the Nordic countries and Germany instead of France. They're huge, after all. Sweden would be its neighbor, so they may have a cultural exchange.

The Asian Confederation would indeed be dominated by China, but would India try to break away like in canon? Also, the language of Tondo would be split into three components within the same language: for Orthodox-Nestorian Uniate Christians, it would be Bakhasa Tondo {influenced by Malay, Slavic(mainly East and South Slavic like Russian and Bulgarian), Turkic(mainly a modified form of Kipchak Turkish, Central Asian Turkish and Modern Turkish), Greek, Manchu, and Mongol}. For Catholics, it would be Bahasa Tagalog, aka: OTL Filipino, without the English loanwords, since they don't want any Islamic, Britannian and Orthodox Christian influence, and for Muslims, it would be Bakhasa Tondo without the Slavic influence, Persian and Arabic replacing it instead. For the writing system, Baybayin would only be used for old records, but Bakhasa Tondo would use the Cyrillic, Catholic Bahasa Tagalog, Latin script, and Muslims, Arabic scriptures, supported by neighboring Malay kingdoms.

Khanate of Tondo would have Borneo and Celebes, and other territories you mentioned. This may have to be a collaborative TL after all. As for the Second Russian Civil War, it would happen in 1937, or earlier. Through a guy named Ungern von Sternberg, and I read the thread '20th Century Khan'. Britannia would have to co-opt the autocratic Spanish and Portuguese monarchs to be united into the Britannian crown. Mongol Christians would have a lot of roles to play in the new Khanate of Tondo when Russia conquers it.

Most important of all, the Khanate of Tondo later turned Tondo SSR with Ilokos ASSR and Bikol ASSR would be the Soviets' own Crown Jewels. They would have a conflict with Britannia after the Soviets carve East Japan from Area 11, taking in the influence from my old fanfiction. Well, Japan would be split between a Satsuma Republic (controlled by Chindian Confederation), a Choshu Republic (controlled by the USSR, but not part of the USSR itself), and an Ezo Republic (a full fledged Communist state). They unite those three republics into Japan once again in a similar manner to OTL West and East German reunification, but this Japan would function like Finland to the Soviets. I guess the Black Knights can't complain about the Soviets, can they?

If Japan still has the Shogunate, would that butterfly the Meiji Restoration? Although its influence would certainly change the EU and the First Russian Empire.
 
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Don't include Western Mindanao and North Borneo, Make it Muslim..., The rest of Borneo and the entire Celebes is fine... with the rest of Mindanao also..., And yes, most of the Visayas and most of Luzon.., could you left Northern Luzon to the Spaniards?? Make their capital at Vigan..., And that's where the Catholics of Tondo Luzon would move... I also want to have Eastern Visayas Spanish..., I'm willing to give up my beloved ancestral Cebu homeland to the Khanate... The Spanish Visayas would be centered in Naga ( yes include part of Bicol on it please...:D)... Anyway, it's just temporary..., And soon..., out of Spanish Luzon and Visayas would be Soviet autonomous republics... given their Catholic heritage.. Hehehe... So please don't make our Latin and East Asian bloods die!! Hahaha.. So the Soviet Philippines is even more multiracial.., with the unheard immigrants from the Balkans, Slavic and Turkic lands plus Mongolia, Korea, Manchuria and Central Asia??...! Whoa... Hohoho! I'm thinking that the Aetas (black pygmies of our country, where part of my ancestry probably came from aside from the Latin, Chinese and Malayan bloods that I have) would become slaves though even if it didn't happened here... Haay... that's European racism for you...

So Catholic parts of Khanate of Tondo would be Catholic Ilocos, and a small semi-independent Datunate of Bicol. Lithuania was Catholic, but Russians would have a lot of contempt towards Catholics.

Turkic peoples from the Ottoman Empire, Central Asia and the Caucasus would most likely to settle in Mindanao and Borneo, as well as maybe Celebes. Slavic, Mongol ad Manchurian peoples would settle in predominantly Orthodox and Nestorian areas of the Khanate of Tondo, although it may be changed to Rizalistan because there will be a Jose Rizal figure, but he would die a brutal death.

In a way, the Khanate of Tondo would resemble Yugoslavia, though I hope it doesn't collapse the same way Yugoslavia did. Also, Tondo will be the place where the Soviets would send their convicts.

We need someone to help us commission a map. I may not be able to do a good job with it myself. Australia will be an EU vassal state, but would assert its independence.

WWI might go the same way as OTL, but WWII would be Britannian-sponsored fascist parties in EU. That way, the EU and the second Russian Empire would fight each other to death.

Finally, the Aetas would have to acquire a homeland of their own, unless they'd end up extinct. The Khanate would just end up making the Aetas their vassals, unless the Russians would kidnap Aeta kids and bring them up as Orthodox or Nestorian Christians, or even Muslims. East Asian blood in the Soviet Philippines/Khanate of Tondo/Tondo SSR would actually increase, since Mongols, Manchus and Koreans would also intermarry. There could be a few Japanese, but it's most likely Japanese Catholics fleeing from Tokugawa Japan.
 
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Well, I'm basing the events on the a.t.b. calendar too, right? A Christian Golden Horde would do wonders for a future Russia. There will be Catholic parts of the Khanate of Tondo, but confined to Vigan and eastern Visayas, like you suggested. 20% Catholic, 20% Muslim, and 60% Orthodox-Nestorian Uniate Christian.

WWI and WWII would be Russia against the EU, and WWIII would be Russia against Britannia. Though I don't know why there's monorail in a year where it's theoretically 1963. I'll make nuclear technology primitive enough to resemble 1945, with the Soviets A-Bombing Britannia in retaliation for Britannia FLEIJA bombing the USSR. Of course, the main ships of the Soviet Navy (more important since they're a Pacific power) would consist of attack submarines, submarine carriers, regular carriers and battleships that have Katyusha rocket launchers.

Korea is under Russian control, though their relationship would be like the Russians and Tatars. Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan would become part of the USSR, and that results in a USSR-wank, but then again, Britannia is Anglo-American wank too, right? Malayastan was originally going to be the nation that composes OTL Maphilindo, but we'll just settle with Malaysia instead. The second USSR would be like the Nordic countries and Germany instead of France. They're huge, after all. Sweden would be its neighbor, so they may have a cultural exchange.

The Asian Confederation would indeed be dominated by China, but would India try to break away like in canon? Also, the language of Tondo would be split into three components within the same language: for Orthodox-Nestorian Uniate Christians, it would be Bakhasa Tondo {influenced by Malay, Slavic(mainly East and South Slavic like Russian and Bulgarian), Turkic(mainly a modified form of Kipchak Turkish, Central Asian Turkish and Modern Turkish), Greek, Manchu, and Mongol}. For Catholics, it would be Bahasa Tagalog, aka: OTL Filipino, without the English loanwords, since they don't want any Islamic, Britannian and Orthodox Christian influence, and for Muslims, it would be Bakhasa Tondo without the Slavic influence, Persian and Arabic replacing it instead. For the writing system, Baybayin would only be used for old records, but Bakhasa Tondo would use the Cyrillic, Catholic Bahasa Tagalog, Latin script, and Muslims, Arabic scriptures, supported by neighboring Malay kingdoms.

Khanate of Tondo would have Borneo and Celebes, and other territories you mentioned. This may have to be a collaborative TL after all. As for the Second Russian Civil War, it would happen in 1937, or earlier. Through a guy named Ungern von Sternberg, and I read the thread '20th Century Khan'. Britannia would have to co-opt the autocratic Spanish and Portuguese monarchs to be united into the Britannian crown. Mongol Christians would have a lot of roles to play in the new Khanate of Tondo when Russia conquers it.

Most important of all, the Khanate of Tondo later turned Tondo SSR with Ilokos ASSR and Bikol ASSR would be the Soviet's own Crown Jewels. They would have a conflict with Britannia after the Soviets carve East Japan from Area 11, taking in the influence from my old fanfiction. Well, Japan would be split between a Satsuma Republic (controlled by Chindian Confederation), a Choshu Republic (controlled by the USSR, but not part of the USSR itself), and an Ezo Republic (a full fledged Communist state). They unite those three republics into Japan once again in a similar manner to OTL West and East German reunification, but this Japan would function like Finland to the Soviets. I guess the Black Knights can't complain about the Soviets, can they?

If Japan still has the Shogunate, would that butterfly the Meiji Restoration? Although its influence would certainly change the EU and the First Russian Empire.

:eek: Woho! We're getting off the charts here... OFF THE CHARTS... Hahaha.., This would most likely be a collaborative TL between the two of us... I mean, Russia just changed everything in the Far East....

May I know at first what are your plans for Japan in your alternate CG??
How the story would unfold?? And what's its theoretical ending??

Anyway, I didn't do my research yet on Orthodox and Nestorian Christianity but yes, I think it seems compatible...

Will you start making the superpowers have nuclear warheads at the start of the story?? I thought you will reserve it for Nina Einstein and make it happen in the 60's... It seems feasible enough that nuclear energy will be delayed due to sakuradite... Will you make nuclear warheads devoid of radiation as in the application of total Minovsky physics? or just make Minovsky physics possible for the production of Knightmare Frames but still making nuclear energy radioactive??

The monorail seems improbable so take it away... San Francisco like trains will be fine... And the subways and ordinary trains... There would be less focus on private transportation because of militarization, and how Knightmare Frames are quite expensive... so traffic congestion may be known only in the EU (Hail to German cars!) Those robots are really expensive according to this great fanfic author that I forgot what's his name is... I'll go check on it... Consumer technologies will inevitably be sacrificed because of militarization... Both Britannia and the Soviets is not the United States with great logistics IMO because of democratic capitalism... Even the massive skyscraper look of the Tokyo Settlement seems unsettling for me... It should be more... normal.... even if it is the energy center of the world... Wait... Are you even going to have Knightmare Frames for your fic?? If so, Then the first generation Knightmares is enough... with some improvements... The other generations have gotten fantastically impossible... This is just the 1960's ok? Not the Gundam series.... And the battlefields should not even be too Knightmare focused, as that author said.... Even Knightmares beyond the first generation will have weaknesses against conventional weapons... I like his battle scenes... Very realistic... :cool:

I don't know if we can even discuss about the world wars properly right now, without fixing the earlier years of our?? timeline... Hehe... I don't even know if there should be a World War II version around... with fascist parties in the EU?? Hmmm.... This is something to really think about... The 1900-1945 should be hands off for a while... We can just connect it with our CG present time... (2017 atb - 54 YEARS = 1962 A.D., since 54 BC must be 0 atb, not year 1...) to the past we're creating right now with the different Russia... So how we're gonna start? ... setting the CG conditions for 1962 A.D? or starting the timeline from 54 B.C. onwards?

I think you've set the countries for 1962 well already for Southeast Asia...
We go to Japan... How will the absence of the Meiji Restoration will affect the EU and Russia?? Most likely, it would benefit them... Because the sakuradite will start flowing... inventions will be different here... sakuradite-based electrical energy will replace coal of the Industrial Revolution quickly... I'm still confused about your plan of turning Japan into a bunch of republics... It seems implausible to me... The Japanese would not want that... They love their uniqueness and the Shogunate will strengthen Japanese nationalism... Black Knight-Soviet cooperation is possible but not to the point of Zero agreeing in the Soviets carving out his adopted country... Just make the entire Japan Area 11 of the Britannian Empire IMO... And the Japanese Kuril Islands will be given to the Soviets by the Britannians...

About the status of Britannian Americas, I don't believe in the plausibility of the union of the Britannian, Spanish and Portuguese monarchies... The memories of the Spanish Armada and tremendous anti-Catholicism will not make it happen... I believe in the idea of making Social Darwinism rise earlier than OTL... if you'll want the Areas system to develop... I don't know of the plausibility of black American Britannians like Villetta Nu, the Black King in the Babel Tower and Dorothea Ernst of the Knights of the Round... Remember what Japanese anime is about... It's commercialism... And it is to target audiences of diverse backgrounds outside Japan... Villetta Nu is possible but not an ordinary circumstance... The classifications of Britannian citizenship must be even changed since it's getting confusing again in the wiki... At one point, the purebloods are those aristocrats that fled into North America and the honorary britannians are those who are not into that category... which would be the American colonials but in the anime, it seems that the honorary label is just targeted to non-homeland colonials... arrgh! :mad: And I'm not so sure about ultranationalism that could become multiracial... It's usually homogenous, focusing just on one race, one religion, one something... Racism would still be a norm... though in the USSR it's not of course! Hehehe... :D And it's accurate racism... Britannians of the cannon is considered racist by many CG fans... but is selective racism even possible?? I don't think so....Trust me... its not... Haay... There are a lot of things to be discussed... This is just a start... I'm hoping that I'm helping...
 
XASCUL'S CG TIMELINE with map

It's from this thread:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=2709558#post2709558

This is the timeline and map...

55 BC or 1 a.t.b.
Julius Caesar attempts to invade Britain, but is met with strong resistance from the local tribes, who elect a super-leader, the Celtic King Eowyn, who summarily became the first Britannian King. For the next eight centuries, the tribes of what would be later known as England, formed a loose, informal kind of elective monarchy with the leaders of the nine leading tribes casting the votes.
43 BC
Emperor Claudius conquers what is now known as the Kingdom of England, and renames it 'Britannia.' The king is subsequently made to pay tribute to the Emperor of Rome. The title 'King of Britannia' is established a year later.
476 AD
The Western Roman Empire collapses, but the title of 'King of Britannia' and the general term of 'Britannian' begins to take hold.
Unknown year - Middle Ages
Sakuradite (known as the "Philosopher's Stone" at the time) was discovered near Stonehenge. The scarcity of Sakuradite impeded the research to turn it into a viable energy source. However, in his travels, Marco Polo journeyed further into the East, reaching Japan and discovered the nation had a large deposit of Sakuradite.
1347
The House of Britannia is formally established.
Late 16th Century a.t.b.
Elizabeth I, who remained single throughout her life, bears a son, Henry IX. The potential fathers — Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester; Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex; and Carl, Duke of Britannia — gain influence and power with this knowledge.
Henry IX ascends to the throne after the death of his mother in 1603, starting the Golden Age of the Tudor Dynasty.
1643

Henry IX dies of natural causes after reigning for four decades and his eldest son Henry X takes the throne.
1649
The English Civil War breaks out.
1653
Oliver Cromwell establishes England as the Protectorate and Commonwealth.
1680
Elizabeth II takes the throne.
1660
The House of Tutor is restored to the monarchy.
1687
Roderick von Osterichberg moves to the British isles from the Holy Roman Empire as part of an arranged marriage with the House of Britannia. After becoming the head of the house, as well as inheriting the title of 'Duke,' he would start the tradition of adding the German epithet 'von' to his name as well as changing his last name to match the house.
1770s
The American Revolution (also known as Washington's Rebellion) occurs. The Duke of Britannia bribes Benjamin Franklin with promises of titles and territories in the colonies, who was charged with appealing to Louis XVI for assistance in the American colonies' war for independence.
Thereafter, Benjamin Franklin is given the title of Earl. As a result, the Continental Army suffers a decisive defeat during the Siege of Yorktown with the death of George Washington, marking a severe blow to the American movement for independence.
1787
Elizabeth III ascends the throne of Great Britain.
1804
Napoleon declares France an Empire and crowns himself Emperor of the French and First Consul for Life. The next few years, Europe is engulfed in the Napoleonic Wars. For the next ten years, he fights several battles, enlarging the French Empire, by conquering its neighbors. By 1809, Napoleon has most of Europe under his control save Portugal, Russia, the British Isles and the Ottoman Empire.
1815
Napoleon summons delegates of nearly every country that was involved in the war to discuss terms of peace. He knows that his position has been compromised greatly and wants 'an honorable surrender.'
The Congress of Vienna, as it was later called, was unprecedented in history as it was the first gathering of so many diplomats in one area on a continental scale. Although Napoleon was essentially the victor, he made several concessions to the losers. To pay off Britannia, Napoleon relinquished control of French claims in the western hemisphere, giving Britannia unprecedented control of the North America.
To appease Russia, the Kingdom of Sweden-Finland was divided with Finland going to Russia.
Most of continental Europe was to be joined together in a loose confederation under the presidency of the Emperor of France. There was provisions for a European Continental Congress, to meet every 3 months in a specified location to discuss trade and economic coordination.
The immediate effects of the Treaty is clear. Napoleon is now Master of Europe, but Britannia is Master of the Seas.
With the 'defeat' of Napoleon, Britannia becomes the dominant superpower in the world. Its navy has unquestioned rule of the seas and the North American continent. The next two century would be later called Britannia's Imperial Centuries.
Richard von Britannia advises the queen to move the capital to the Americas. He saw the kingdom's potential of moving to the new world as a fresh start. The first would be to strengthen Britain's hold on the Americas. The second was the large territory it covered and third was that he saw that Britain could do more in the new world versus staying in the old world as they were kicked out of European affairs. Elizabeth III nominates her lover, Richard Von Britannia, as her successor upon her death.
1817
Elizabeth III moves the royal family and court to Richmond while keeping London as the provincial capital of the British Isles to kept an eye on European affairs. This decision would ultimately change the course of the kingdom's history forever.
1823
Elizabeth III dies and ends her reign for being "the Queen who loved throughout her stormy life." The Britannian calendar, Ascension Throne Britannia (a.t.b.), is established, with the origin year set to the ascendancy of the first Celtic King. Her reign also ended the three-centuries old Tutor Dynasty.
Richard von Britannia declares the Kingdom of Britainnia an empire and is crowned Emperor in the newly established capital of Richmond. As the first Emperor of the Holy Britannian Empire, he set down many new precedents and customs for the new monarchy while incorporating much of the British traditions. He instituted a primitive 'social darwinism' and reorganized the nobility system of class and rank.
1830
Napoleon Bonaparte dies in his home at the age of 61. Although it was never proven, Napoleon was probably killed by poison as Elizabeth III wanted it. His son, Napoleon II takes the throne and works to consolidate and work on reforms for the whole of Europe. Although only 19 years old, he was dedicated to his work. He knew his position was a precarious one, his father rode the wave of republicanism and declared himself autocrat.
A key was the Strausbourg Conference which was the legalization of Europe to use the Franc.
Although harmful in the short run, in the long run it was the cornerstone for the European Union that was soon to follow.
1832
After nine years reigning as the first Emperor, Richard IV dies at the age of 58 and his first and only son, takes the throne as William III. It was during his reign, that the Britannian Flag's design was established. The empire, since the unification of the British Isles, had used a combination of the Scottish and English flags, the St. George's cross on a blue background. Three years into his reign, the flag was reworked with extra white and gold bands and a coat of arms representing a more imperial empire.
1842
On a cold winter day in mid-February, on a inspection tour of the western provinces of the empire, William III is assassinated by his own guards. The leader of the coup is from House Stuart, Henry X takes the throne.
1846
Empress Adrianna takes the throne after murdering her husband in his sleep.
Britannian-Mexican War occurs after Britannia's successful annexation of Texas. The Empress held a contest for composers to create a military march for the troops that were about to go to war. Eventually, a freelance composer named Sir Damian Broomhead, won the contest, and the march was titled the Britannian March and was written in the key of d minor. About nine months into the war, a military parade was scheduled down the main boulevard in the capital. The march was conduced by Sir Damian himself as the troops marched. It was said that the march inspired the troops to fight better on the battlefield.
Later, the song's name would be changed to 'All Hail Britannia' after the last line of the anthem. It would also be used as the Britannic salute.
After a couple years of fighting in the western plains, the commanders launch a three pronged attack straight at Mexico City with one force coming by land, and two landing off the coast just a few hundred miles from the capital. Although the Mexicans put up a valiant fight, trying to defend the capital, there was no stopping the empire's war machine and the war ends with Britannia annexing all of Mexico. In exchange, Britannia was responsible for rebuilding its infrastructure, and the citizens were all guaranteed full rights and citizenship in the empire.
1854
Empress Adrianna dies suddenly of an unknown cause. She had not formally designated a successor although the heir presumptive was her eldest son, Maximilian. However, her other sons and daughters felt that he was not qualified for the throne and barely a two months after he became acting emperor, he was killed by his half-sister.
For the next several years, the Imperial family was divided into two factions and pulled the empire into war with itself.
Finally, in 1859, one faction finally won and for the next few years, peace was achieved but at a costly price.
1868
The Meiji Era begins in Japan with the restoration of the Meiji Emperor. Japan goes into transition from a feudal society into a constitutional monarchy.
1870
Richard V ascends the throne and becomes Britannia's longest serving Emperor. During his reign, Britannia saw its expansion from a regional power in the western hemisphere to the world's foremost and leading superpower. Richard V also introduced 'social Darwinism' into the empire feeling that would make future generations stronger and better than the previous ones.
1874-1876
Britannian-Spanish War
Richard V, continuing with Britannia's 'manifest destiny' conquers the rest of central America and finally connects the Empire's territories in northern South America with North America. He also moves the capital to a booming city, Pendragon, originally as part of a compromise between the Britannians and Mexicans as a way to integrate the two halves.
At the same time, Europe, once under the firm control of the Bonaparte family, experiences nationalist movements across the continent. The first occurred not in France, but in the German states of Westphalia and Prussia. These movements will be the first of many that will turn Europe away from Monarchies and towards democratic governments.
The aging Napoleon II, noting France's dwindling power, calls together the Paris Conference.
He had envisioned a united Europe and North Africa, and that Paris Conference set down that precedent but it would be his son who would bring this dream to reality.
On March 6th 1880, Napoleon II passed away in Paris after an illustrious reign that spanned over half a century of rule. He had expanded France all over the world and had created a great empire. At the same time he instituted reforms when they were needed and helped usher in the Industrial Revolution into France. His passing was met with sorrowful mourning throughout France and his son, the forty-seven year old Prince Imperial, was crowned Emperor Napoleon III in a glorious ceremony on March 14th. However the first months of his reign would immediately test him on both foreign and domestic policy.
1885
The world's leaders meet in Berlin to divide up Africa. With France and her allies taking most of Sub-Saharan Africa.
Southern Congo and West Africa is annexed by Britannia.
Japan completes its transition into a constitutional monarchy and elects Ito Hirobumi as Japan's first Prime Minister.
1888
It was an important year for Europe as thousands of people gathered in Rome for the signing of the Treaty of Rome.
It formally established the European Union, replacing the older European and French Communities. It gave more power to the European Parliament and also authorized the creation of a European Council to be composed of the heads of state from each member country, with the presidency of the council to rotate once a year.
A capital is established at Strasbourg, which was kindly donated by Napoleon III as a compromise for allowing him to preside first over the European Council.
1891
The first session of the European Parliament is held at Strasbourg.
1907
After France's weakening economy, and being out maneuvered by Britannia. The French people revolted. Sixth months later, Napoleon III was forced to abdicate and the First French Republic is formed.
Elsewhere in Europe, several revolutions take place following France's example of disposing of unpopular monarchs and replacing them with republics. Austria, Spain, the United Kingdoms of Norway and Sweden, amd Denmark are the last remaining monarchies, and several have amended their constitutions limiting the power of the monarch.
The concept of democracy originated in Athens, but never really developed until now. In the coming years, the European Parliament would be composed of elected officials by popular vote instead of members being appointed by the governments. This type of democracy would also be critized by Britannia's leaders who viewed it as this new brand of politics as nothing more than a big popularity contest.
1911
The Xinghai Revolution takes place in China and Emperor Puyi is forced to abdicate. For six years, China would be racked by a bloody civil war, with warlord against warlord.
1915
The Great War erupts between the France, Austria, Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and the surrounding states of France. The War concludes with France conceding its leadership of the EU of an equal membership of the nation bloc.
1917
Emperor Puyi is restored to the Throne by the Nationalists, and retains the ceremonial title of Emperor or Tianzi. The leader of the Nationalists, Zhang Yun, and his supporters, draft a new constitution for China, the first in its history. It reorganized China into a federation with provincial governors sharing power with the Federal Government, with the emperor as the nominal head of state. The council of state was made up of officials called High Eunuchs, and the leader as Chancellor. Within the next few years, several territories in central Asia decide to join the federation, and even the rest of Manchuria, which deeply angered the Soviets.
1919
The war concludes with several major changes across Eurasia. The immediate effects are the defeat of the Ottoman and Russian Empires, the EU, takes control of North Africa and the dream of one nation controlling the Mediterranean Sea had finally been achieved.
1922
The Bolshevik revolution takes place in Russia, disposing of the Tsars and creating the first Socalist state. Vladimir Lenin announces the reorganization of the old Russian Empire into the USSR. He introduces several reforms including the seizure of farmlands and distribution to the working class.
1932
After six decades of rule, Richard V dies in his sleep at the age of 89. He had expanded the Empire proper from the Arctic to the equator, and had expanded its colonies in southern and western Africa, India, and Australia. He also added the Britannian Antarctic territory, and Kamchatka Peninsula. This expansion added an additional 7 million square miles of land and about 400 million more subjects. His state funeral was one of the largest in history, with several hundreds of thousands of people lining up to view his body before it was to be buried in the Monarch's Mausoleum.
The convention for monarchies at the time was to select an heir of the royal family and designate the throne to that person to preserve the line. Richard V had many children and he instead on his deathbed threw the ball into the air and had his children fight for the ball.
His heir, Morgana takes the throne in his stead.
1934
The Ottoman empire, Persia and Saudi Arabia form a federation,
With most of Europe becoming more democratic, older monarchies moving to symbolic figureheads, and other countries around the world transforming into federations, Britannia remained the sole country whose government is still an absolute monarchy, despite having a symbolic parliament.
1962
Hawaii Islands is annexed by Britannia.
Richard VI ascends the throne later in the year.
1979
George I ascends the throne.

1982
Charles zi Britannia ascends the Britannian throne as Charles I with help from his wife, Marianne vi Britannia. During his reign, he saw the expansion of Britannia's influence even more. He increased funding to research and development of military weapons, and stratified Britannia's society even more.
Charles I also takes Britannia to many small wars, annexing New Zealand, which had remained an independent nation, Wake and Midway Islands, and Papua New Guinea.
2009
Tensions between the Holy Britannian Empire and its rival, the EU have heated up. Britannia, under the reign of Charles I, has expanded its influence to cover over a third of the world's landmass. The Soviet Union is allied loosely with Britannia while the Chinese Federation is loosely allied with the EU. The Republic of Japan, and Persia are two key neutral powers that could tip the balance of power one way or another.
2010
Marianne vi Britannia was killed by unknown assassins; Lelouch vi Britannia, her son, and Nunnally vi Britannia, her daughter, are sent to Japan as political hostage.
After the Indochinese Peninsula was conquered by Britannia and became Area 10, Japan, which was originally neutral, decided to align its policy with Chinese Federation and EU's politics and apply economic pressure upon Britannia -- an event referred to as the Oriental Incident. Both Chinese Federation and EU and their allies blockade the ports of Britannia, hoping to force negotiations.
The Second Pacific War erupts; the one month war resulted in the conquering of Japan by Britannia. The end of the war signifies Japan as a formal colony of Britannia, taking Sakhalin Island and the Japanese mainland while the Chinese Federation, absorb the Korean Peninsula and the island of Formosa.
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So Catholic parts of Khanate of Tondo would be Catholic Ilocos, and a small semi-independent Datunate of Bicol. Lithuania was Catholic, but Russians would have a lot of contempt towards Catholics.

Turkic peoples from the Ottoman Empire, Central Asia and the Caucasus would most likely to settle in Mindanao and Borneo, as well as maybe Celebes. Slavic, Mongol ad Manchurian peoples would settle in predominantly Orthodox and Nestorian areas of the Khanate of Tondo, although it may be changed to Rizalistan because there will be a Jose Rizal figure, but he would die a brutal death.

In a way, the Khanate of Tondo would resemble Yugoslavia, though I hope it doesn't collapse the same way Yugoslavia did. Also, Tondo will be the place where the Soviets would send their convicts.

We need someone to help us commission a map. I may not be able to do a good job with it myself. Australia will be an EU vassal state, but would assert its independence.

WWI might go the same way as OTL, but WWII would be Britannian-sponsored fascist parties in EU. That way, the EU and the second Russian Empire would fight each other to death.

Finally, the Aetas would have to acquire a homeland of their own, unless they'd end up extinct. The Khanate would just end up making the Aetas their vassals, unless the Russians would kidnap Aeta kids and bring them up as Orthodox or Nestorian Christians, or even Muslims. East Asian blood in the Soviet Philippines/Khanate of Tondo/Tondo SSR would actually increase, since Mongols, Manchus and Koreans would also intermarry. There could be a few Japanese, but it's most likely Japanese Catholics fleeing from Tokugawa Japan.

Don't worry about the Aetas and other Aboriginals of my country... They're all scattered around the country and live much on their own... They'll just need reservations of sorts and things would be fine... We respect them... And I think the Russians would most likely just left them... Vassals? yes, just like that... Japanese Catholics in Ilocos would be fine.... And they're not going to be few... They might become few and move to southern Vietnam, as is other Filipino Catholics during the Luzon chaos...

Why would Bicol become a Datunate?? A Spanish vassal kingdom? with a native datu? The capital should be in Naga then... where the Catholic eastern Visayas is also being governed from... That would be fine...
 
It's from this thread:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=2709558#post2709558

This is the timeline and map...

55 BC or 1 a.t.b.
Julius Caesar attempts to invade Britain, but is met with strong resistance from the local tribes, who elect a super-leader, the Celtic King Eowyn, who summarily became the first Britannian King. For the next eight centuries, the tribes of what would be later known as England, formed a loose, informal kind of elective monarchy with the leaders of the nine leading tribes casting the votes.
43 BC
Emperor Claudius conquers what is now known as the Kingdom of England, and renames it 'Britannia.' The king is subsequently made to pay tribute to the Emperor of Rome. The title 'King of Britannia' is established a year later.
476 AD
The Western Roman Empire collapses, but the title of 'King of Britannia' and the general term of 'Britannian' begins to take hold.
Unknown year - Middle Ages
Sakuradite (known as the "Philosopher's Stone" at the time) was discovered near Stonehenge. The scarcity of Sakuradite impeded the research to turn it into a viable energy source. However, in his travels, Marco Polo journeyed further into the East, reaching Japan and discovered the nation had a large deposit of Sakuradite.
1347
The House of Britannia is formally established.
Late 16th Century a.t.b.
Elizabeth I, who remained single throughout her life, bears a son, Henry IX. The potential fathers — Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester; Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex; and Carl, Duke of Britannia — gain influence and power with this knowledge.
Henry IX ascends to the throne after the death of his mother in 1603, starting the Golden Age of the Tudor Dynasty.
1643

Henry IX dies of natural causes after reigning for four decades and his eldest son Henry X takes the throne.
1649
The English Civil War breaks out.
1653
Oliver Cromwell establishes England as the Protectorate and Commonwealth.
1680
Elizabeth II takes the throne.
1660
The House of Tutor is restored to the monarchy.
1687
Roderick von Osterichberg moves to the British isles from the Holy Roman Empire as part of an arranged marriage with the House of Britannia. After becoming the head of the house, as well as inheriting the title of 'Duke,' he would start the tradition of adding the German epithet 'von' to his name as well as changing his last name to match the house.
1770s
The American Revolution (also known as Washington's Rebellion) occurs. The Duke of Britannia bribes Benjamin Franklin with promises of titles and territories in the colonies, who was charged with appealing to Louis XVI for assistance in the American colonies' war for independence.
Thereafter, Benjamin Franklin is given the title of Earl. As a result, the Continental Army suffers a decisive defeat during the Siege of Yorktown with the death of George Washington, marking a severe blow to the American movement for independence.
1787
Elizabeth III ascends the throne of Great Britain.
1804
Napoleon declares France an Empire and crowns himself Emperor of the French and First Consul for Life. The next few years, Europe is engulfed in the Napoleonic Wars. For the next ten years, he fights several battles, enlarging the French Empire, by conquering its neighbors. By 1809, Napoleon has most of Europe under his control save Portugal, Russia, the British Isles and the Ottoman Empire.
1815
Napoleon summons delegates of nearly every country that was involved in the war to discuss terms of peace. He knows that his position has been compromised greatly and wants 'an honorable surrender.'
The Congress of Vienna, as it was later called, was unprecedented in history as it was the first gathering of so many diplomats in one area on a continental scale. Although Napoleon was essentially the victor, he made several concessions to the losers. To pay off Britannia, Napoleon relinquished control of French claims in the western hemisphere, giving Britannia unprecedented control of the North America.
To appease Russia, the Kingdom of Sweden-Finland was divided with Finland going to Russia.
Most of continental Europe was to be joined together in a loose confederation under the presidency of the Emperor of France. There was provisions for a European Continental Congress, to meet every 3 months in a specified location to discuss trade and economic coordination.
The immediate effects of the Treaty is clear. Napoleon is now Master of Europe, but Britannia is Master of the Seas.
With the 'defeat' of Napoleon, Britannia becomes the dominant superpower in the world. Its navy has unquestioned rule of the seas and the North American continent. The next two century would be later called Britannia's Imperial Centuries.
Richard von Britannia advises the queen to move the capital to the Americas. He saw the kingdom's potential of moving to the new world as a fresh start. The first would be to strengthen Britain's hold on the Americas. The second was the large territory it covered and third was that he saw that Britain could do more in the new world versus staying in the old world as they were kicked out of European affairs. Elizabeth III nominates her lover, Richard Von Britannia, as her successor upon her death.
1817
Elizabeth III moves the royal family and court to Richmond while keeping London as the provincial capital of the British Isles to kept an eye on European affairs. This decision would ultimately change the course of the kingdom's history forever.
1823
Elizabeth III dies and ends her reign for being "the Queen who loved throughout her stormy life." The Britannian calendar, Ascension Throne Britannia (a.t.b.), is established, with the origin year set to the ascendancy of the first Celtic King. Her reign also ended the three-centuries old Tutor Dynasty.
Richard von Britannia declares the Kingdom of Britainnia an empire and is crowned Emperor in the newly established capital of Richmond. As the first Emperor of the Holy Britannian Empire, he set down many new precedents and customs for the new monarchy while incorporating much of the British traditions. He instituted a primitive 'social darwinism' and reorganized the nobility system of class and rank.
1830
Napoleon Bonaparte dies in his home at the age of 61. Although it was never proven, Napoleon was probably killed by poison as Elizabeth III wanted it. His son, Napoleon II takes the throne and works to consolidate and work on reforms for the whole of Europe. Although only 19 years old, he was dedicated to his work. He knew his position was a precarious one, his father rode the wave of republicanism and declared himself autocrat.
A key was the Strausbourg Conference which was the legalization of Europe to use the Franc.
Although harmful in the short run, in the long run it was the cornerstone for the European Union that was soon to follow.
1832
After nine years reigning as the first Emperor, Richard IV dies at the age of 58 and his first and only son, takes the throne as William III. It was during his reign, that the Britannian Flag's design was established. The empire, since the unification of the British Isles, had used a combination of the Scottish and English flags, the St. George's cross on a blue background. Three years into his reign, the flag was reworked with extra white and gold bands and a coat of arms representing a more imperial empire.
1842
On a cold winter day in mid-February, on a inspection tour of the western provinces of the empire, William III is assassinated by his own guards. The leader of the coup is from House Stuart, Henry X takes the throne.
1846
Empress Adrianna takes the throne after murdering her husband in his sleep.
Britannian-Mexican War occurs after Britannia's successful annexation of Texas. The Empress held a contest for composers to create a military march for the troops that were about to go to war. Eventually, a freelance composer named Sir Damian Broomhead, won the contest, and the march was titled the Britannian March and was written in the key of d minor. About nine months into the war, a military parade was scheduled down the main boulevard in the capital. The march was conduced by Sir Damian himself as the troops marched. It was said that the march inspired the troops to fight better on the battlefield.
Later, the song's name would be changed to 'All Hail Britannia' after the last line of the anthem. It would also be used as the Britannic salute.
After a couple years of fighting in the western plains, the commanders launch a three pronged attack straight at Mexico City with one force coming by land, and two landing off the coast just a few hundred miles from the capital. Although the Mexicans put up a valiant fight, trying to defend the capital, there was no stopping the empire's war machine and the war ends with Britannia annexing all of Mexico. In exchange, Britannia was responsible for rebuilding its infrastructure, and the citizens were all guaranteed full rights and citizenship in the empire.
1854
Empress Adrianna dies suddenly of an unknown cause. She had not formally designated a successor although the heir presumptive was her eldest son, Maximilian. However, her other sons and daughters felt that he was not qualified for the throne and barely a two months after he became acting emperor, he was killed by his half-sister.
For the next several years, the Imperial family was divided into two factions and pulled the empire into war with itself.
Finally, in 1859, one faction finally won and for the next few years, peace was achieved but at a costly price.
1868
The Meiji Era begins in Japan with the restoration of the Meiji Emperor. Japan goes into transition from a feudal society into a constitutional monarchy.
1870
Richard V ascends the throne and becomes Britannia's longest serving Emperor. During his reign, Britannia saw its expansion from a regional power in the western hemisphere to the world's foremost and leading superpower. Richard V also introduced 'social Darwinism' into the empire feeling that would make future generations stronger and better than the previous ones.
1874-1876
Britannian-Spanish War
Richard V, continuing with Britannia's 'manifest destiny' conquers the rest of central America and finally connects the Empire's territories in northern South America with North America. He also moves the capital to a booming city, Pendragon, originally as part of a compromise between the Britannians and Mexicans as a way to integrate the two halves.
At the same time, Europe, once under the firm control of the Bonaparte family, experiences nationalist movements across the continent. The first occurred not in France, but in the German states of Westphalia and Prussia. These movements will be the first of many that will turn Europe away from Monarchies and towards democratic governments.
The aging Napoleon II, noting France's dwindling power, calls together the Paris Conference.
He had envisioned a united Europe and North Africa, and that Paris Conference set down that precedent but it would be his son who would bring this dream to reality.
On March 6th 1880, Napoleon II passed away in Paris after an illustrious reign that spanned over half a century of rule. He had expanded France all over the world and had created a great empire. At the same time he instituted reforms when they were needed and helped usher in the Industrial Revolution into France. His passing was met with sorrowful mourning throughout France and his son, the forty-seven year old Prince Imperial, was crowned Emperor Napoleon III in a glorious ceremony on March 14th. However the first months of his reign would immediately test him on both foreign and domestic policy.
1885
The world's leaders meet in Berlin to divide up Africa. With France and her allies taking most of Sub-Saharan Africa.
Southern Congo and West Africa is annexed by Britannia.
Japan completes its transition into a constitutional monarchy and elects Ito Hirobumi as Japan's first Prime Minister.
1888
It was an important year for Europe as thousands of people gathered in Rome for the signing of the Treaty of Rome.
It formally established the European Union, replacing the older European and French Communities. It gave more power to the European Parliament and also authorized the creation of a European Council to be composed of the heads of state from each member country, with the presidency of the council to rotate once a year.
A capital is established at Strasbourg, which was kindly donated by Napoleon III as a compromise for allowing him to preside first over the European Council.
1891
The first session of the European Parliament is held at Strasbourg.
1907
After France's weakening economy, and being out maneuvered by Britannia. The French people revolted. Sixth months later, Napoleon III was forced to abdicate and the First French Republic is formed.
Elsewhere in Europe, several revolutions take place following France's example of disposing of unpopular monarchs and replacing them with republics. Austria, Spain, the United Kingdoms of Norway and Sweden, amd Denmark are the last remaining monarchies, and several have amended their constitutions limiting the power of the monarch.
The concept of democracy originated in Athens, but never really developed until now. In the coming years, the European Parliament would be composed of elected officials by popular vote instead of members being appointed by the governments. This type of democracy would also be critized by Britannia's leaders who viewed it as this new brand of politics as nothing more than a big popularity contest.
1911
The Xinghai Revolution takes place in China and Emperor Puyi is forced to abdicate. For six years, China would be racked by a bloody civil war, with warlord against warlord.
1915
The Great War erupts between the France, Austria, Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and the surrounding states of France. The War concludes with France conceding its leadership of the EU of an equal membership of the nation bloc.
1917
Emperor Puyi is restored to the Throne by the Nationalists, and retains the ceremonial title of Emperor or Tianzi. The leader of the Nationalists, Zhang Yun, and his supporters, draft a new constitution for China, the first in its history. It reorganized China into a federation with provincial governors sharing power with the Federal Government, with the emperor as the nominal head of state. The council of state was made up of officials called High Eunuchs, and the leader as Chancellor. Within the next few years, several territories in central Asia decide to join the federation, and even the rest of Manchuria, which deeply angered the Soviets.
1919
The war concludes with several major changes across Eurasia. The immediate effects are the defeat of the Ottoman and Russian Empires, the EU, takes control of North Africa and the dream of one nation controlling the Mediterranean Sea had finally been achieved.
1922
The Bolshevik revolution takes place in Russia, disposing of the Tsars and creating the first Socalist state. Vladimir Lenin announces the reorganization of the old Russian Empire into the USSR. He introduces several reforms including the seizure of farmlands and distribution to the working class.
1932
After six decades of rule, Richard V dies in his sleep at the age of 89. He had expanded the Empire proper from the Arctic to the equator, and had expanded its colonies in southern and western Africa, India, and Australia. He also added the Britannian Antarctic territory, and Kamchatka Peninsula. This expansion added an additional 7 million square miles of land and about 400 million more subjects. His state funeral was one of the largest in history, with several hundreds of thousands of people lining up to view his body before it was to be buried in the Monarch's Mausoleum.
The convention for monarchies at the time was to select an heir of the royal family and designate the throne to that person to preserve the line. Richard V had many children and he instead on his deathbed threw the ball into the air and had his children fight for the ball.
His heir, Morgana takes the throne in his stead.
1934
The Ottoman empire, Persia and Saudi Arabia form a federation,
With most of Europe becoming more democratic, older monarchies moving to symbolic figureheads, and other countries around the world transforming into federations, Britannia remained the sole country whose government is still an absolute monarchy, despite having a symbolic parliament.
1962
Hawaii Islands is annexed by Britannia.
Richard VI ascends the throne later in the year.
1979
George I ascends the throne.

1982
Charles zi Britannia ascends the Britannian throne as Charles I with help from his wife, Marianne vi Britannia. During his reign, he saw the expansion of Britannia's influence even more. He increased funding to research and development of military weapons, and stratified Britannia's society even more.
Charles I also takes Britannia to many small wars, annexing New Zealand, which had remained an independent nation, Wake and Midway Islands, and Papua New Guinea.
2009
Tensions between the Holy Britannian Empire and its rival, the EU have heated up. Britannia, under the reign of Charles I, has expanded its influence to cover over a third of the world's landmass. The Soviet Union is allied loosely with Britannia while the Chinese Federation is loosely allied with the EU. The Republic of Japan, and Persia are two key neutral powers that could tip the balance of power one way or another.
2010
Marianne vi Britannia was killed by unknown assassins; Lelouch vi Britannia, her son, and Nunnally vi Britannia, her daughter, are sent to Japan as political hostage.
After the Indochinese Peninsula was conquered by Britannia and became Area 10, Japan, which was originally neutral, decided to align its policy with Chinese Federation and EU's politics and apply economic pressure upon Britannia -- an event referred to as the Oriental Incident. Both Chinese Federation and EU and their allies blockade the ports of Britannia, hoping to force negotiations.
The Second Pacific War erupts; the one month war resulted in the conquering of Japan by Britannia. The end of the war signifies Japan as a formal colony of Britannia, taking Sakhalin Island and the Japanese mainland while the Chinese Federation, absorb the Korean Peninsula and the island of Formosa.


interesting but some flaws....like at the begining...you cant use england as a name...as the agnles hadnt arrived from the shclewig area of german-denmark yet (england is deried from angland, named used by the angles ans their descendents)....king of the celts would be a better term
 
:eek: Woho! We're getting off the charts here... OFF THE CHARTS... Hahaha.., This would most likely be a collaborative TL between the two of us... I mean, Russia just changed everything in the Far East....

May I know at first what are your plans for Japan in your alternate CG??
How the story would unfold?? And what's its theoretical ending??

Anyway, I didn't do my research yet on Orthodox and Nestorian Christianity but yes, I think it seems compatible...

Will you start making the superpowers have nuclear warheads at the start of the story?? I thought you will reserve it for Nina Einstein and make it happen in the 60's... It seems feasible enough that nuclear energy will be delayed due to sakuradite... Will you make nuclear warheads devoid of radiation as in the application of total Minovsky physics? or just make Minovsky physics possible for the production of Knightmare Frames but still making nuclear energy radioactive??

The monorail seems improbable so take it away... San Francisco like trains will be fine... And the subways and ordinary trains... There would be less focus on private transportation because of militarization, and how Knightmare Frames are quite expensive... so traffic congestion may be known only in the EU (Hail to German cars!) Those robots are really expensive according to this great fanfic author that I forgot what's his name is... I'll go check on it... Consumer technologies will inevitably be sacrificed because of militarization... Both Britannia and the Soviets is not the United States with great logistics IMO because of democratic capitalism... Even the massive skyscraper look of the Tokyo Settlement seems unsettling for me... It should be more... normal.... even if it is the energy center of the world... Wait... Are you even going to have Knightmare Frames for your fic?? If so, Then the first generation Knightmares is enough... with some improvements... The other generations have gotten fantastically impossible... This is just the 1960's ok? Not the Gundam series.... And the battlefields should not even be too Knightmare focused, as that author said.... Even Knightmares beyond the first generation will have weaknesses against conventional weapons... I like his battle scenes... Very realistic... :cool:

I don't know if we can even discuss about the world wars properly right now, without fixing the earlier years of our?? timeline... Hehe... I don't even know if there should be a World War II version around... with fascist parties in the EU?? Hmmm.... This is something to really think about... The 1900-1945 should be hands off for a while... We can just connect it with our CG present time... (2017 atb - 54 YEARS = 1962 A.D., since 54 BC must be 0 atb, not year 1...) to the past we're creating right now with the different Russia... So how we're gonna start? ... setting the CG conditions for 1962 A.D? or starting the timeline from 54 B.C. onwards?

I think you've set the countries for 1962 well already for Southeast Asia...
We go to Japan... How will the absence of the Meiji Restoration will affect the EU and Russia?? Most likely, it would benefit them... Because the sakuradite will start flowing... inventions will be different here... sakuradite-based electrical energy will replace coal of the Industrial Revolution quickly... I'm still confused about your plan of turning Japan into a bunch of republics... It seems implausible to me... The Japanese would not want that... They love their uniqueness and the Shogunate will strengthen Japanese nationalism... Black Knight-Soviet cooperation is possible but not to the point of Zero agreeing in the Soviets carving out his adopted country... Just make the entire Japan Area 11 of the Britannian Empire IMO... And the Japanese Kuril Islands will be given to the Soviets by the Britannians...

About the status of Britannian Americas, I don't believe in the plausibility of the union of the Britannian, Spanish and Portuguese monarchies... The memories of the Spanish Armada and tremendous anti-Catholicism will not make it happen... I believe in the idea of making Social Darwinism rise earlier than OTL... if you'll want the Areas system to develop... I don't know of the plausibility of black American Britannians like Villetta Nu, the Black King in the Babel Tower and Dorothea Ernst of the Knights of the Round... Remember what Japanese anime is about... It's commercialism... And it is to target audiences of diverse backgrounds outside Japan... Villetta Nu is possible but not an ordinary circumstance... The classifications of Britannian citizenship must be even changed since it's getting confusing again in the wiki... At one point, the purebloods are those aristocrats that fled into North America and the honorary britannians are those who are not into that category... which would be the American colonials but in the anime, it seems that the honorary label is just targeted to non-homeland colonials... arrgh! :mad: And I'm not so sure about ultranationalism that could become multiracial... It's usually homogenous, focusing just on one race, one religion, one something... Racism would still be a norm... though in the USSR it's not of course! Hehehe... :D And it's accurate racism... Britannians of the cannon is considered racist by many CG fans... but is selective racism even possible?? I don't think so....Trust me... its not... Haay... There are a lot of things to be discussed... This is just a start... I'm hoping that I'm helping...

I plan to make Japan reform in a similar manner to Ataturk's Turkey, without Islam. The Shogun would have made himself like the father of modern Japan and still be isolationist. After WWII, Japan undergoes a second reformation or something like that. Basically, Japan would be invaded in canon, but after the Black Rebellion, Japan is partitioned between the Chindian Confederation and the Soviet Union, with a third state a full fledged communist state. However, Britannia retakes Japan albeit with a terrible price, and they wouldn't want to give the Kurils to the Soviets that easily. IN the end, Japan would be independent, but in a similar manner to Finland.

The superpowers would have nuclear weapons towards the end of the series. Just like the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in OTL in 1945.

The stage of Knightmare Frame development would be in a similar manner to the German tank.

Well, maybe Britannia actually kills off the Spanish and Portuguese monarchs? They must have died out at some point.

Sakuradite would be a dominant energy source in the entire world, but nuclear energy would soon replace it.

The TL would have to start from 54 BC up to 1962 AD/2017 a.t.b., and make the development of the world regress.

Villetta Nu would have a role to play, though she may be tempted to defect to the Black Knights if given the right incentive and events. The other African Britannians in the series are......I'm not sure how would they be treated.
 
Don't worry about the Aetas and other Aboriginals of my country... They're all scattered around the country and live much on their own... They'll just need reservations of sorts and things would be fine... We respect them... And I think the Russians would most likely just left them... Vassals? yes, just like that... Japanese Catholics in Ilocos would be fine.... And they're not going to be few... They might become few and move to southern Vietnam, as is other Filipino Catholics during the Luzon chaos...

Why would Bicol become a Datunate?? A Spanish vassal kingdom? with a native datu? The capital should be in Naga then... where the Catholic eastern Visayas is also being governed from... That would be fine...

All right, but I'm not sure how would Bicol turn out. Which province is Naga located?
 
Camarines Sur?? Hahaha...:D I forgot... Ah.. yes... Daet is in Camarines Norte... so yes, it's in southern Camarines... next to the province to the south is Sorsogon, then you'll have eastern Visayas...
 
interesting but some flaws....like at the begining...you cant use england as a name...as the agnles hadnt arrived from the shclewig area of german-denmark yet (england is deried from angland, named used by the angles ans their descendents)....king of the celts would be a better term

"...the tribes of what would be later known as England..." So it is accurately portrayed... That later is almost a century after that time though...
"...what is now known as the Kingdom of England..." so again it is accurate
So the Britannian royal line really came from Eowyn, and the House of Britannia would be the longest ruling royal house in CG Earth history...
 
I plan to make Japan reform in a similar manner to Ataturk's Turkey, without Islam. The Shogun would have made himself like the father of modern Japan and still be isolationist. After WWII, Japan undergoes a second reformation or something like that. Basically, Japan would be invaded in canon, but after the Black Rebellion, Japan is partitioned between the Chindian Confederation and the Soviet Union, with a third state a full fledged communist state. However, Britannia retakes Japan albeit with a terrible price, and they wouldn't want to give the Kurils to the Soviets that easily. IN the end, Japan would be independent, but in a similar manner to Finland.

The superpowers would have nuclear weapons towards the end of the series. Just like the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in OTL in 1945.

The stage of Knightmare Frame development would be in a similar manner to the German tank.

Well, maybe Britannia actually kills off the Spanish and Portuguese monarchs? They must have died out at some point.

Sakuradite would be a dominant energy source in the entire world, but nuclear energy would soon replace it.

The TL would have to start from 54 BC up to 1962 AD/2017 a.t.b., and make the development of the world regress.

Villetta Nu would have a role to play, though she may be tempted to defect to the Black Knights if given the right incentive and events. The other African Britannians in the series are......I'm not sure how would they be treated.

CORRECTION: The 2017 atb is 1964 A.D. (54 BC= 0 atb / 0 AD= 53 atb / add 1963 to the 53 atb= just 2016 atb , so for the 2017 atb; it must 1964 A.D.)

OK... This is your fic anyway... So ok... Japan is settled... The Tokugawa Shogunate will continue because it will be hard pressed to reform... it will make adjustments... but will continue to be neo-isolationistic until the Britannian invasion of 1957 (2010 atb) ... Then your storyline will began in Tokyo Settlement as usual...

Can you clarify to me the German tank relation to Knightmare Frame development... hehe... I don't understand it... not really military savy... :p

Part of the Spanish and Portuguese monarchs' families will be casualties but there might be survivors... but their stint in power will never return again... The Spanish royalty will move from Madrid to Mexico City because of the Napoleonic invasion and then from Mexico City to Lima because of the Britannian invasion of Mexico... Lima will fell to Charles zi Britannia in the alternate WW2 as Rio de Janeiro for the Portuguese-Brazilian royalty... That's my idea.. :)

Your idea of nuclear warfare must follow Minovsky physics fully to take away the effects of nuclear radiation out of the warheads... It must be already on its advanced stage then... I don't know if it's going to work for an A-bomb level of weapons... The CG cannon seems to make it work for Fleija though... The post-war arms race of OTL made nuclear weapons even deadlier and more destructive because of the Cold War... I don't know if you can really keep up nuclear weapons on the 1945 level then... since there's an even intense 3 way rivalry between the Britannians, Soviets and the Euros..

Bring only Viletta in your fic... The other minor characters could be removed out entirely... They're not that important anyway... Just keep up the white supremacist image of Britannia which is more accurate for Social Darwinism and ultranationalism... A romantic involvement with Ohgi is enough for her to change sides... Britannia will be strict on interracial relationships....even if it is non-white in character... since Viletta is highly respected among the purist military faction in Area 11 despite her race that made her born as a second class Britannian (pureblood Britannian: royals and aristocrats; Honorary Britannian first class: white Britannian commoners; second class: non-white Britannian purebloods and occasional white colonial subjects from Latin America; third class: mostly non-white colonial subjects that choose to be Britannians; Numbers: non-persons) and it is between a Purist and a "terrorist"... Viletta can turn into some sort of a self-hating black at first... The "Purist Party" is a pro-"homer" (people from the homeland) group that wants to keep "Britannian purity" sort of thing... and generally favored first-class Britannians... Viletta just became a first class Britannian because of Jeremiah and Kewell...

The development of the world will advance more than ours at 2011 AD in some points and almost totally more advance than ours at 1964 AD but is behind in many areas than ours at 2011 AD levels; like taking the civilian Internet away... (The Internet allowed to be on its form in OTL because the Cold War is already over... IMO... and TTL is clearly not on that path)
 
CORRECTION: The 2017 atb is 1964 A.D. (54 BC= 0 atb / 0 AD= 53 atb / add 1963 to the 53 atb= just 2016 atb , so for the 2017 atb; it must 1964 A.D.)

OK... This is your fic anyway... So ok... Japan is settled... The Tokugawa Shogunate will continue because it will be hard pressed to reform... it will make adjustments... but will continue to be neo-isolationistic until the Britannian invasion of 1957 (2010 atb) ... Then your storyline will began in Tokyo Settlement as usual...

Can you clarify to me the German tank relation to Knightmare Frame development... hehe... I don't understand it... not really military savy... :p

Part of the Spanish and Portuguese monarchs' families will be casualties but there might be survivors... but their stint in power will never return again... The Spanish royalty will move from Madrid to Mexico City because of the Napoleonic invasion and then from Mexico City to Lima because of the Britannian invasion of Mexico... Lima will fell to Charles zi Britannia in the alternate WW2 as Rio de Janeiro for the Portuguese-Brazilian royalty... That's my idea.. :)

Your idea of nuclear warfare must follow Minovsky physics fully to take away the effects of nuclear radiation out of the warheads... It must be already on its advanced stage then... I don't know if it's going to work for an A-bomb level of weapons... The CG cannon seems to make it work for Fleija though... The post-war arms race of OTL made nuclear weapons even deadlier and more destructive because of the Cold War... I don't know if you can really keep up nuclear weapons on the 1945 level then... since there's an even intense 3 way rivalry between the Britannians, Soviets and the Euros..

Bring only Viletta in your fic... The other minor characters could be removed out entirely... They're not that important anyway... Just keep up the white supremacist image of Britannia which is more accurate for Social Darwinism and ultranationalism... A romantic involvement with Ohgi is enough for her to change sides... Britannia will be strict on interracial relationships....even if it is non-white in character... since Viletta is highly respected among the purist military faction in Area 11 despite her race that made her born as a second class Britannian (pureblood Britannian: royals and aristocrats; Honorary Britannian first class: white Britannian commoners; second class: non-white Britannian purebloods and occasional white colonial subjects from Latin America; third class: mostly non-white colonial subjects that choose to be Britannians; Numbers: non-persons) and it is between a Purist and a "terrorist"... Viletta can turn into some sort of a self-hating black at first... The "Purist Party" is a pro-"homer" (people from the homeland) group that wants to keep "Britannian purity" sort of thing... and generally favored first-class Britannians... Viletta just became a first class Britannian because of Jeremiah and Kewell...

The development of the world will advance more than ours at 2011 AD in some points and almost totally more advance than ours at 1964 AD but is behind in many areas than ours at 2011 AD levels; like taking the civilian Internet away... (The Internet allowed to be on its form in OTL because the Cold War is already over... IMO... and TTL is clearly not on that path)

Do you know how the stage of the German tank went? Like Panzer I, II, III, IV, V, Tiger, King Tiger and Panther. KMFs on the other hand, would be developed as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation only.

Having the Tokugawa Shogunate would have to involve butterflying away the Satsuma-Choshu alliance that brought Meiji into power. Maybe the anti-Tokugawa officials would flee to Russia and China and influence the Tsar and Chinese emperor to undertake the reforms that would not have happened in Japan.

I may have to study the Minovsky physics for nuclear weapons, but otherwise, nuclear weapons would have to emit radioactive emissions in this planned fic because it will start in its primitive stage like with the Manhattan Project.

Britannia by the end of a.t.b. Cold War would be severely weakened because the Soviets would occupy half of OTL North America. Australia would take its place, but doesn't create nuclear weapons. It has the FLEIJAs instead.

IN terms of KMF tech, Britannia would have mostly close combat based Frames, the Chindian Confederation would have long range Gun Rus, and both the EU and Soviets would have a combination of Britannian and Indo-Chinese Frames. However, the Soviets would have rocket launchers on their KMFs.

As for Viletta, yeah I agree with you on that. A Britannia that is racist on Apartheid, Nazi Germany and CSA level would be bad enough, but they're also extending their racist attitude towards the Slav, Turco-Mongol and Caucasian (Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani) peoples because they viewed them the same way Hitler did in OTL. The Britannian hierarchy class is realistic enough, though I could say that the Britannians would declare the captured areas of the Soviet Union Area Zero, and Area Zero would be declared a permanent resettlement zone. That means extending the Britannian atrocities towards Russian and other national minorities. I can also say that the Baltic peoples would be given the same rough treatment, though they would be like Area Eleven.

In case this fic would definitely have no KMFs, I would have based a lot of battles on the OTL World War Two and the Korean War. Moreover, the Britannians would only manage to hold on to the Russian Far East before they get into a Stalingrad-like battle somewhere in the Yenisei River (most likely Krasnoyarsk).

On an interesting note, the Soviets would have a counterpart to the Purist Party called the Sovetskaya Pravoporyadokaya Partiya, or the Soviet Law and Order Party.
 
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Do you know how the stage of the German tank went? Like Panzer I, II, III, IV, V, Tiger, King Tiger and Panther. KMFs on the other hand, would be developed as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation only.

Having the Tokugawa Shogunate would have to involve butterflying away the Satsuma-Choshu alliance that brought Meiji into power. Maybe the anti-Tokugawa officials would flee to Russia and China and influence the Tsar and Chinese emperor to undertake the reforms that would not have happened in Japan.

I may have to study the Minovsky physics for nuclear weapons, but otherwise, nuclear weapons would have to emit radioactive emissions in this planned fic because it will start in its primitive stage like with the Manhattan Project.

Britannia by the end of a.t.b. Cold War would be severely weakened because the Soviets would occupy half of OTL North America. Australia would take its place, but doesn't create nuclear weapons. It has the FLEIJAs instead.

IN terms of KMF tech, Britannia would have mostly close combat based Frames, the Chindian Confederation would have long range Gun Rus, and both the EU and Soviets would have a combination of Britannian and Indo-Chinese Frames. However, the Soviets would have rocket launchers on their KMFs.

As for Viletta, yeah I agree with you on that. A Britannia that is racist on Apartheid, Nazi Germany and CSA level would be bad enough, but they're also extending their racist attitude towards the Slav, Turco-Mongol and Caucasian (Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani) peoples because they viewed them the same way Hitler did in OTL. The Britannian hierarchy class is realistic enough, though I could say that the Britannians would declare the captured areas of the Soviet Union Area Zero, and Area Zero would be declared a permanent resettlement zone. That means extending the Britannian atrocities towards Russian and other national minorities. I can also say that the Baltic peoples would be given the same rough treatment, though they would be like Area Eleven.

In case this fic would definitely have no KMFs, I would have based a lot of battles on the OTL World War Two and the Korean War. Moreover, the Britannians would only manage to hold on to the Russian Far East before they get into a Stalingrad-like battle somewhere in the Yenisei River (most likely Krasnoyarsk).

On an interesting note, the Soviets would have a counterpart to the Purist Party called the Sovetskaya Pravoporyadokaya Partiya, or the Soviet Law and Order Party.

Ah... yes, I understand now..., 4th Generation Glasgow Knightmares would be fine..., especially with their mobility... that's the most realistic scenario.... but combined it with cockpit comforts and functions of the 5th Generation Sutherland... It would be fine... The mobility of the Gloucesters and Sutherlands would be less realistic....

The anti-Tokugawa officials influencing China and Russia is fine... In fact, That's really great..! :D... I just don't want China to be beaten so much as it is OTL... (Recently been hooked with Superpower Empire: China) But just make The Confederation an "Asian Communistic empire" that has its own variation of European Communism but with "Asian characteristics" ;)... Then, the place would be a mixture of OTL's Maoist China in some way ideologically , traditional Asia in social conventions, the British Raj of having Resident Eunuchs in princely states "beyond the known lands" i.e. China Proper, The License Raj of pre-1990's India in terms of economics and yes, being the Chinese that doesn't care much on administering that's why they're just letting lands beyond the China Proper to retain local rulers, laws and traditions to appease them... And the Eunuchs acting more as supervisors, tax collectors and businessmen rather than rulers... There would be a little cause for India to rebel, trust me, if they're just being left alone mostly... and with the anti-white and anti-colonial propaganda around.... Li Xinge would put down local revolts in India and East Turkestan... and it could even be put down diplomatically, making him quite popular... There would be secessionist movements... but they could just be monitored....

The Knightmares for each of the superpowers are good enough... :D But I have to remind you... The FLEIJA and the A-bomb are both the same... You know the Japanese... their historical experience brought out the nuclear taboo in their post-war literature....

As I've searched about Minovsky physics, I now realize that only with the introduction of this physics that close-combat warfare could be a norm; but at the sacrifice of the use of long-range guided missiles... And yes, there might be no nukes for the Second World War... But that war would trigger in the research for a Soviet Manhattan Project... And yes, Dr. Minovksy and Ionesco would be there... ... A nuclear fusion reactor would be made... fortified with sakuradite... which is the applied phlebotinum of CG... to replace lithium-6 deuteride of OTL... But no nuclear weapon was made... but it was deemed possible already... if the reactor would be nuclear fission reactor... So yes, FLEIJA would not be the Little Boy.... It would be a hydrogen bomb! with the power of conventional strategic nukes of our ICBM's... Wow...! :eek: The Minovsky particle would be discovered in that reactor... And boom... Knightmares would become possible... As a military reaction to the Minovsky particle... However, you have to push back the start of the Second World War... to the 1920's I suppose... And the First World War even back... Scientific discoveries and technological developments must be pushed back by decades... A Britannian Renaissance in Northern Europe might help historically... since we can make Roman Britannia absorb the Anglo-Saxons, Danes and the Normans in some way that would not destroy its Roman legacy... So while there were the Byzantines and the Arabs preserving the Greco-Roman legacy in the Mediterranean..., you'll have the Britannians in Northern Europe... Amazing... Total destruction of the CG cannon timeline is what we've done here... :D:D:D:D

In terms of Britannian racial attitudes, then there's no other way for a realistic Social Darwinist Britannia but to become not only Francophobic... but also Russophobic... So bye bye, OTL's immigration patterns to North America; making the Britannian Homeland's population smaller than OTL's USA (w/o Alaska), Canada (w/o northern territories I guess) and northern Mexico combined... There would be three monarchies in the New World; one Britannian, one Spanish and one Portuguese; all exiles from Napoleonic Europe... Britannia would eat the other two monarchies over time... And Anglo-Saxon racial, ethnic and religious attitudes against Catholics, mixed-bloods, Native Americans, non-whites and yes, Mediterranean and Eastern Europeans would go on... It's total bad ass racism then... :mad::mad::mad: Poor Britannia... They really would have to lose in the end... And geopolitically and logistically, they're living on borrowed time... I suggest that the ending would not only make OTL's North America be given away to the Soviets.. but also the liberation of its entire Empire... So yes, it's a total Soviet wank... And USA would be there too to savor in the victory!! Hahaha! For European immigrants; there would be alternate places to go to; southern Africa, the still free South America and Australia....

Slavery also would be an institution that would not be gone; it might last to the time that OTL's Brazil abolished it; in 1889..., The Southern aristocracy fitted well for Britannia... It would not be taken away easily as it was in OTL... So again... the cultural consequences; no blues, no jazz, no R&B... They might still be trapped in the ragtime music era... apartheid, elitism, classicism and segregation would take its toll... but there would be 1920's sexual liberation and our times' women's advancement due to the war economy and the ragtime... What a world!! :p

So, in terms of a Britannian invasion of the USSR; with no Knightmares; just use OTL's references then... Krasnoyarsk would be the Britannian Stalingrad... What would happen to Asia back then... please tell me... I have no idea..
 
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Why there is going to be a Soviet purist?? Are they going to be some sort of a KKK backwater in the USSR... a far-right group?? I don't know... but you need a diverse social democracy for the USSR to become successful... it doesn't need to polarize its already diverse country... it would only lead to complications... And the USSR is not the USA... North America is something else in natural resources and attracting immigrants... Britannia would reduce the equations that made our USA successful so it's gonna fall in the long run... The USSR is not that USA kind... and it had a far worse path to progress than the comfortable position of North America... so you need the USSR united... Australia is far closer to our America... but it has natural resources constraints... so its influence would be that great compared to the Soviet giant... but it's still gonna influential to the world... You can even make it the pop culture center of the world in some way... Hehehe..
 
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Why there is going to be a Soviet purist?? Are they going to be some sort of a KKK backwater in the USSR... a far-right group?? I don't know... but you need a diverse social democracy for the USSR to become successful... it doesn't need to polarize its already diverse country... it would only lead to complications... And the USSR is not the USA... North America is something else in natural resources and attracting immigrants... Britannia would reduce the equations that made our USA successful so it's gonna fall in the long run... The USSR is not that USA kind... and it had a far worse path to progress than the comfortable position of North America... so you need the USSR united... Australia is far closer to our America... but it has natural resources constraints... so its influence would be that great compared to the Soviet giant... but it's still gonna influential to the world... You can even make it the pop culture center of the world in some way... Hehehe..

There isn't a Soviet Purist version, but a Britannophobic faction in the USSR. Before the first USSR was founded, Tsarist Russia had its own Purist version, the Mladorossi, or Black Hundred. They were notoriously anti-Semitic.

Australia would be the center of pop culture and many other OTL based freedom culture. Of course, there's a possibility that Australia might end up having to rely on imports like Japan, and that's where the USSR could either prop up its Australian ally through trade, or starve it to submission through blockade.
 
Ah... yes, I understand now..., 4th Generation Glasgow Knightmares would be fine..., especially with their mobility... that's the most realistic scenario.... but combined it with cockpit comforts and functions of the 5th Generation Sutherland... It would be fine... The mobility of the Gloucesters and Sutherlands would be less realistic....

The anti-Tokugawa officials influencing China and Russia is fine... In fact, That's really great..! :D... I just don't want China to be beaten so much as it is OTL... (Recently been hooked with Superpower Empire: China) But just make The Confederation an "Asian Communistic empire" that has its own variation of European Communism but with "Asian characteristics" ;)... Then, the place would be a mixture of OTL's Maoist China in some way ideologically , traditional Asia in social conventions, the British Raj of having Resident Eunuchs in princely states "beyond the known lands" i.e. China Proper, The License Raj of pre-1990's India in terms of economics and yes, being the Chinese that doesn't care much on administering that's why they're just letting lands beyond the China Proper to retain local rulers, laws and traditions to appease them... And the Eunuchs acting more as supervisors, tax collectors and businessmen rather than rulers... There would be a little cause for India to rebel, trust me, if they're just being left alone mostly... and with the anti-white and anti-colonial propaganda around.... Li Xinge would put down local revolts in India and East Turkestan... and it could even be put down diplomatically, making him quite popular... There would be secessionist movements... but they could just be monitored....

The Knightmares for each of the superpowers are good enough... :D But I have to remind you... The FLEIJA and the A-bomb are both the same... You know the Japanese... their historical experience brought out the nuclear taboo in their post-war literature....

As I've searched about Minovsky physics, I now realize that only with the introduction of this physics that close-combat warfare could be a norm; but at the sacrifice of the use of long-range guided missiles... And yes, there might be no nukes for the Second World War... But that war would trigger in the research for a Soviet Manhattan Project... And yes, Dr. Minovksy and Ionesco would be there... ... A nuclear fusion reactor would be made... fortified with sakuradite... which is the applied phlebotinum of CG... to replace lithium-6 deuteride of OTL... But no nuclear weapon was made... but it was deemed possible already... if the reactor would be nuclear fission reactor... So yes, FLEIJA would not be the Little Boy.... It would be a hydrogen bomb! with the power of conventional strategic nukes of our ICBM's... Wow...! :eek: The Minovsky particle would be discovered in that reactor... And boom... Knightmares would become possible... As a military reaction to the Minovsky particle... However, you have to push back the start of the Second World War... to the 1920's I suppose... And the First World War even back... Scientific discoveries and technological developments must be pushed back by decades... A Britannian Renaissance in Northern Europe might help historically... since we can make Roman Britannia absorb the Anglo-Saxons, Danes and the Normans in some way that would not destroy its Roman legacy... So while there were the Byzantines and the Arabs preserving the Greco-Roman legacy in the Mediterranean..., you'll have the Britannians in Northern Europe... Amazing... Total destruction of the CG cannon timeline is what we've done here... :D:D:D:D

In terms of Britannian racial attitudes, then there's no other way for a realistic Social Darwinist Britannia but to become not only Francophobic... but also Russophobic... So bye bye, OTL's immigration patterns to North America; making the Britannian Homeland's population smaller than OTL's USA (w/o Alaska), Canada (w/o northern territories I guess) and northern Mexico combined... There would be three monarchies in the New World; one Britannian, one Spanish and one Portuguese; all exiles from Napoleonic Europe... Britannia would eat the other two monarchies over time... And Anglo-Saxon racial, ethnic and religious attitudes against Catholics, mixed-bloods, Native Americans, non-whites and yes, Mediterranean and Eastern Europeans would go on... It's total bad ass racism then... :mad::mad::mad: Poor Britannia... They really would have to lose in the end... And geopolitically and logistically, they're living on borrowed time... I suggest that the ending would not only make OTL's North America be given away to the Soviets.. but also the liberation of its entire Empire... So yes, it's a total Soviet wank... And USA would be there too to savor in the victory!! Hahaha! For European immigrants; there would be alternate places to go to; southern Africa, the still free South America and Australia....

Slavery also would be an institution that would not be gone; it might last to the time that OTL's Brazil abolished it; in 1889..., The Southern aristocracy fitted well for Britannia... It would not be taken away easily as it was in OTL... So again... the cultural consequences; no blues, no jazz, no R&B... They might still be trapped in the ragtime music era... apartheid, elitism, classicism and segregation would take its toll... but there would be 1920's sexual liberation and our times' women's advancement due to the war economy and the ragtime... What a world!! :p

So, in terms of a Britannian invasion of the USSR; with no Knightmares; just use OTL's references then... Krasnoyarsk would be the Britannian Stalingrad... What would happen to Asia back then... please tell me... I have no idea..

One good way to start WWI back is to have it happen during the Balkan Wars. WWII would have to start in 1933. Britannian invasions would break out in the 1950s.

As for Asia, while Britannia holds on to the Russian Far East, Britannia would also occupy Korea, Manchuria, and Mongolia. East Turkestan is part of the USSR, so it might be spared a Britannia invasion. I am certain that Qing China never comes to power, therefore it can't control Xinjiang. The Khanate of Tondo might be invaded by Britannia, but I'm not sure whether or not it would also be declared Area Zero or Area Twelve, if it would be conquered. So while Krasnoyarsk would be the Britannian Stalingrad, Vladivostok would be the Britannian Leningrad and Irkutsk or Tomsk might be the Britannian Moscow. Even with KMFs, there is a possibility that Britannia could still hold on to few territories, if we consider logistics.

Only with the Soviet victory could slavery be abolished. Although the Soviets and Australians might end up setting up client states in the fallen Britannian Empire, starting off a Cold War.

Most likely, the Soviets would spearhead the movie industry in this TL, with the all known Aleksander Nevsky movie. Soviet Alaska would have its own version of Hollywood, with Novoarkhangelsk (OTL Los Angeles area) as the main location after Britannia falls, along with Shelikhovsk (OTL Vancouver, BC), and another city in Alaska.

In the continental USSR, Novgorod, Kazan, Vladivostok and Almaty would be the movie city. That's just about it.

A Britannian Renaissance in Northern Europe might have a negative response from neighboring Russia, but there could be a few elements that would make its way into Novgorod. However, the regime in Moscow might not want Britannian influence to pollute the Russian state. Also, in ancient Rus, there are only two cities that would compete for the unification of Russia, Moscow and Novgorod. Now I wonder which city would be the best bet to lead Russia.
 
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