A Wilder Wildcat

Wing of the FM-2 was at 1154 lbs (folding, 4 HMG + ammo, drop tanks' faciloity).
That of the F4F-4 was at 1181 (same as above, but for 6 HMGs).
Non-folding wing of the F4F-3 was at 893 lbs.

tl;dr - keeping at 4 HMGs on a folding wing would've possibly saved another 25-30 lbs for the '-4 lite'.

Fuel system was there to stay, with simple and light self-sealing tank.
140-150 lbs can be saved with having 2 HMGs less (guns' weight + mountings). Another 100-ish due to need to carry less ammo + ammo boxes.
The best 1-stage superchraged R-1830 (possibly the equivalent of the -33 - a.k.a. S3C4G - as installed on the P-66 and indeed on some Martlets) can still save some 200 lbs vs. the -76, with a bit lower power at high altitudes; the 1-stage supercharged engines are without intercoolers, so there is more free volume in the fuselage, that can be now populated with oil coolers for lower weight and drag of these.
American radials, for the reasons unknown to me, were not very fond of the (big) spinners.

Main help would've come from the installation featuring the individual exhaust stacks instead of the collector exhausts. NACA measured an up to 18 mph gain with that simple expedient on the XF-41. Granted, this is not a save of weight, but the device to improve propulsive power - but this is no time to be picky:)

FWIW, Wright delivered their 1st and only R-1820-48 with a 2-speed 2-stage S/C in April 1941, to be fitted on a the XFLA-4 (?? Brewster lightweight fighter?). That was some 150-200 lbs lighter than the 2-speed 2-stage R-1830-76 as installed on the F4F-3 and -4, while providing the comparable power at altitudes.
These all sound like good weight and aerodynamic improvements for the F4F-4. Looks like a fighter 350 lbs. lighter even with the Wright 2-speed 2-stage S/C being installed. One nitpick. You won't save weight on ammo. The 6 guns on the -4 shared the same ammo load of the 4 guns on the -3. Pilots complained about fewer round per gun on the -4. I think it was Cmdr. Thach who said, "A pilot who can't hit with 4 guns can't hit with 6."

But the main thing is your version of the F4F-4 would be maybe 300 lbs. lighter with 200 more horsepower than the OTL fighter. You're not going to be out climbing or out turning a A6M but you're going to be maybe 20-25 miles faster in level flight, have a higher rate of climb, faster acceleration, and probably a better rate of roll. That would be an F4F-4 that might match the performance of the P-40E, which isn't bad at all.
 
If you can't have a sufficiently powerful engine then go with two engines. Grumman did consider this option and designed the XF5F. This has already been discussed in this thread however and the objections to the Skyrocket are well founded. Here is a recently posted Youtube video from Rex's Hangar about the XF5F. Includes the pros and cons along with some great imagery.

Funnily enough what may have been among the best piston engines fighters ever built had twin engines. The de Haviland Hornet and the Grumman F7F Tigercat. With the P-38L trailing not too far behind.

Slightly off topic I wonder what kind of development path Lockheed's interceptor would have taken if the Air Corps requirements included radial engines. Something resembling a XP-50 flying in 1939?
 
If you can't have a sufficiently powerful engine then go with two engines. Grumman did consider this option and designed the XF5F. This has already been discussed in this thread however and the objections to the Skyrocket are well founded. Here is a recently posted Youtube video from Rex's Hangar about the XF5F. Includes the pros and cons along with some great imagery.
USN data sheet for the XF5F notes max speed of 358 mph for a gun-less A/C. Ie. some 25 mph less than Grumman will want us to believe. USN also says that XF4U-1 was good for 377-378 mph.
Wildcat in production many times received lesser engines than specified, ie. 1-stage R-1830s instead of 2-stage R-1830s, as well as the R-1820s. Doubling the engine requirement to cater for making a 2-engined A/C instead of 1-engined A/C means that eg. 1942 sees ~750 of the F5Fs instead of 1470 of F4Fs; for 1941, it is 160 instead of 324.
Or, ~900 fighters instead of almost 1800 from Grumman (plus 10 F6Fs) and Eastern.

Funnily enough what may have been among the best piston engines fighters ever built had twin engines. The de Haviland Hornet and the Grumman F7F Tigercat. With the P-38L trailing not too far behind.

Hornet was certainly the top crop.
F7F Tigercat was offering the lower speed than the best ww2 aircraft that used half of engines needed, however, like the P-47s, F4U-4s or Merlin Mustangs. Tigercat was also with the very short range due to the relatively small quantity of internal fuel while having two thirsty engines.

Slightly off topic I wonder what kind of development path Lockheed's interceptor would have taken if the Air Corps requirements included radial engines. Something resembling a XP-50 flying in 1939?

Going with radial engines that can actually fit on the P-38 - basically R-1830 for the best part of the war - would've mean lower power and higher drag.
Making a 'classic twin' instead of twin boom would've improved a lot, though: easier and cheaper to make, greater internal volume, less weight away from centreline, less blind spots...
 
What doesn't seem very likely? Sentence A:
R-1830 was featuring in many of the late 1930s designs for them,
or sentence B:
The R-1830 probably saw a lot less of development during ww2.

Or both sentences?
The latter, since the first is a fact.
Burea of Aeronautics or whoever looks at the list of engines and goes “oh, this one is used in A-20, Catalina, B-24, C-47, TBD, F4F, and a bunch of key British types. And we have a six-figure production run planned. Let’s not bother improving it, none of those planes will benefit from more power or reliability“. That genuinely does seem unlikely. I’m pretty sure they improved both the engine and production as much as they were able.
 
The latter, since the first is a fact.
Burea of Aeronautics or whoever looks at the list of engines and goes “oh, this one is used in A-20, Catalina, B-24, C-47, TBD, F4F, and a bunch of key British types. And we have a six-figure production run planned. Let’s not bother improving it, none of those planes will benefit from more power or reliability“. That genuinely does seem unlikely. I’m pretty sure they improved both the engine and production as much as they were able.

A-20 used the R-2600.
Every mass-produced engine was a subject of improvements, be it in order to make better power, to be more reliable, to be more producible etc. It was P&W's job to improve the design wrt. the power it needs to make, not the BuAer's or some similar agency.
There is no doubt that some improvement was done; after all, the number of versions just in 1940s was probably in dozens. Increse of power, that went from 1200 HP in 1941 (initial 100 oct fuel) to 1350 HP in 1945 ( 100/130 grade fuel) was meager, though. Compared to the R-1820s capable for 1350 HP, there was a 2 year lag (1943 vs. 1945).
There was never the water-alcohol injection system for the R-1830 (bar test mules?), despite that being a fairly simple addition to the ww2 engines.

A 12.5% increase in power in 5 years is hardly an indicator that the engine received a lot of development, at least on the question of power it is supposed to make.
 
Outside the box!

How about a Merlin 24, 1,400 hp in 1941? or Merlin 32 Series in 1942 both built by Packard?
The USN was not interested or set up for liquid cooled engines, at this point the changes in the logistics point if view would have been impossible. Liquid cooled engines would have required major changes to the designs of all carriers. Storage of liquid coolants would cut into aircraft, fuel or ordinance storage.
 
The USN was not interested or set up for liquid cooled engines, at this point the changes in the logistics point if view would have been impossible. Liquid cooled engines would have required major changes to the designs of all carriers. Storage of liquid coolants would cut into aircraft, fuel or ordinance storage.

Jump from 1000-1200 HP engines (F2A, F4F, SBD) to the 1700-2200 HP engines (TBF, F6F, F4U) dipped into the avgas bunks on the carriers even more, than it would've been the case with the need to add the Prestone, that after all was not a consumable like fuel or oil.
 
There's also the reliability factor involved with long over water flights after receiving battle damage with air cooled vs water cooled engines,
 
A-20 used the R-2600.
Doh! It was of course only the DB-7 preliminary with the little engines. Apologies.

1200 HP in 1941 (initial 100 oct fuel) to 1350 HP in 1945 ( 100/130 grade fuel) was meager, though. Compared to the R-1820s capable for 1350 HP, there was a 2 year lag (1943 vs. 1945).
There was never the water-alcohol injection system for the R-1830 (bar test mules?), despite that being a fairly simple addition to the ww2 engines.

A 12.5% increase in power in 5 years is hardly an indicator that the engine received a lot of development, at least on the question of power it is supposed to make.
More significantly I think is from 800hp in 1932 to 1200hp in 1941. If you’ve already clocked a 50% increase then the next 18% won’t be easy.
The R1820 certainly did very well but I’m not really clear on why, the engineering doesn’t appear to be significantly better on it. Perhaps the installations or user requirements helped, or it may be the usual headaches of comparing different throttle heights, full power vs military, etc.
 
Jump from 1000-1200 HP engines (F2A, F4F, SBD) to the 1700-2200 HP engines (TBF, F6F, F4U) dipped into the avgas bunks on the carriers even more, than it would've been the case with the need to add the Prestone, that after all was not a consumable like fuel or oil.
Liquid engine coolant has a finite lifespan, then has to be replaced. It can be re-refined, but not on shipboard. This means additional tankage
for used coolant, or dumping it overside. Air cooled engined have survived multiple cylinders destroyed and made it home. Lose 1 cylinder on a liquid cooled and survivability goes down even more.
 
Doh! It was of course only the DB-7 preliminary with the little engines. Apologies.
No worries.

More significantly I think is from 800hp in 1932 to 1200hp in 1941. If you’ve already clocked a 50% increase then the next 18% won’t be easy.
The R1820 certainly did very well but I’m not really clear on why, the engineering doesn’t appear to be significantly better on it. Perhaps the installations or user requirements helped, or it may be the usual headaches of comparing different throttle heights, full power vs military, etc.

R-1820 started out with 700 HP, so the evolution to 1200 HP is even more notable. Engine power figures I was quoting are the highest available, that are mostly take-off figures.

Liquid engine coolant has a finite lifespan, then has to be replaced. It can be re-refined, but not on shipboard. This means additional tankage
for used coolant, or dumping it overside.

I don't think that there was such a thing as recycling of coolant back then (possibly even today?). I also don't think that glycol have had such a short life span, especially seeing that life of aero engines was rarely above 100 working hours on fighters, and more on bombers.
A jump from low-powered radials to the high powered types increased fuel consumption by 50-100 %, yet people were eager to jump to the opportunity to have these engines post haste. One mission involving all the aircraft on board was often more than 30000 gals of fuel (400-500 gals times 70+- aircraft ) by 1944 on the US fleet carriers., vs. less than 20000 for the fleet carriers of 1942. 10000 extra gallons is a huge number for a ship, even a big one, yet it was done.

tl;dr - stating that there is no extra space on carriers for gyycol is red herring

Air cooled engined have survived multiple cylinders destroyed and made it home. Lose 1 cylinder on a liquid cooled and survivability goes down even more.
USAAF pilots flying the 1300 miles range (UK to beyond Berlin, and back) missions by Spring of 1944 on P-51s didn't gotten the memo that liquid cooled engines have problems wrt. survivability. Includes the pilots flying from Ivo Jima against Japan.
 
Jump from 1000-1200 HP engines (F2A, F4F, SBD) to the 1700-2200 HP engines (TBF, F6F, F4U) dipped into the avgas bunks on the carriers even more, than it would've been the case with the need to add the Prestone, that after all was not a consumable like fuel or oil.

The avgas and engine oil bunkers were there from the start of carrier design, coolant has a finite use life, then it has to be stored to re-refine, or dumped. So you need coolant storage tanks, and used storage tanks. Coolant engines will require different mechanics, or mechanics will, have to spend more time in school, slowing down the pipeline.
No worries.



R-1820 started out with 700 HP, so the evolution to 1200 HP is even more notable. Engine power figures I was quoting are the highest available, that are mostly take-off figures.



I don't think that there was such a thing as recycling of coolant back then (possibly even today?). I also don't think that glycol have had such a short life span, especially seeing that life of aero engines was rarely above 100 working hours on fighters, and more on bombers.
A jump from low-powered radials to the high powered types increased fuel consumption by 50-100 %, yet people were eager to jump to the opportunity to have these engines post haste. One mission involving all the aircraft on board was often more than 30000 gals of fuel (400-500 gals times 70+- aircraft ) by 1944 on the US fleet carriers., vs. less than 20000 for the fleet carriers of 1942. 10000 extra gallons is a huge number for a ship, even a big one, yet it was done.

tl;dr - stating that there is no extra space on carriers for gyycol is red herring


USAAF pilots flying the 1300 miles range (UK to beyond Berlin, and back) missions by Spring of 1944 on P-51s didn't gotten the memo that liquid cooled engines have problems wrt. survivability. Includes the pilots flying from Ivo Jima against Japan.
With engines missing chunks of cylinder wall?
 
USAAF pilots flying the 1300 miles range (UK to beyond Berlin, and back) missions by Spring of 1944 on P-51s didn't gotten the memo that liquid cooled engines have problems wrt. survivability. Includes the pilots flying from Ivo Jima against Japan.
Respectfully most P-51D Mustang missions were at high altitude. It was when they started attacking airfields that loses mounted. The P-47 Thunderbolt was more survivable in the fighter/bomber role. The Thunderbolt usually gets short shrift compared to the glowing reputation of the Mustang, but many P-47 groups had the highest kill scores. The 56th Fighter Group was the top scoring air to air combat group in the 8th AirForce in WWII. With then available larger drop tanks the P-47 could've escorted the disastrous bombing missions to Schweinfurt & Regensburg in October 1943. Like the Wildcat & Hellcat the Thunderbolt was a very sturdy warhorse.
 
USAAF pilots flying the 1300 miles range (UK to beyond Berlin, and back) missions by Spring of 1944 on P-51s didn't gotten the memo that liquid cooled engines have problems wrt. survivability. Includes the pilots flying from Ivo Jima against Japan.
Respectfully most P-51D Mustang missions were at high altitude. It was when they started attacking airfields that loses mounted. The P-47 Thunderbolt was more survivable in the fighter/bomber role. The Thunderbolt usually gets short shrift compared to the glowing reputation of the Mustang, but many P-47 groups had the highest kill scores. The 56th Fighter Group was the top scoring air to air combat group in the 8th AirForce in WWII. With then available larger drop tanks the P-47 could've escorted the disastrous bombing missions to Schweinfurt & Regensburg in October 1943. Like the Wildcat & Hellcat the Thunderbolt was a very sturdy warhorse.

Pretty much this and it was rather rammed home when OTL's post-war budget cuts force the new USAF to choose a single airframe to continue to use (as Air National Guard units mostly) and they picked the higher performance P-51/F-51. When Korea broke out the only aircraft available for close ground support ended up being the Mustang which proved to be a very fragile bird as many ex-P-47 pilots pointed out.

Randy
 
The avgas and engine oil bunkers were there from the start of carrier design, coolant has a finite use life, then it has to be stored to re-refine, or dumped. So you need coolant storage tanks, and used storage tanks. Coolant engines will require different mechanics, or mechanics will, have to spend more time in school, slowing down the pipeline.

Fuel has a definitive finite life, due to these un-sporty engines tending to use it, the more powerful engines, the greater consumption, difference being greater than 10000 gals 1944 vs. 42. How many sorties will be needed for the Packard Merlin to consume, lets say, 1000 gallons of coolant (ie. 1/10th of the increased fuel consumption made by the carrier air group by 1944)?

With engines missing chunks of cylinder wall?

What was the percentage of the aircraft that returned with missing chunks of the engines vs. aircraft taking the part in the mission? Say, during the Battle of Midway?

Respectfully most P-51D Mustang missions were at high altitude. It was when they started attacking airfields that loses mounted.

F4F's main job was that of a fighter. Same as that of the P-51s.

The Thunderbolt usually gets short shrift compared to the glowing reputation of the Mustang, but many P-47 groups had the highest kill scores. The 56th Fighter Group was the top scoring air to air combat group in the 8th AirForce in WWII. With then available larger drop tanks the P-47 could've escorted the disastrous bombing missions to Schweinfurt & Regensburg in October 1943. Like the Wildcat & Hellcat the Thunderbolt was a very sturdy warhorse.

P-51 was the one with more kills, partially due to the ability to reach out and touch the enemy in what was once deep hinterland. That is despite the P-51 in American hands having a later start than the P-47s.

Pretty much this and it was rather rammed home when OTL's post-war budget cuts force the new USAF to choose a single airframe to continue to use (as Air National Guard units mostly) and they picked the higher performance P-51/F-51. When Korea broke out the only aircraft available for close ground support ended up being the Mustang which proved to be a very fragile bird as many ex-P-47 pilots pointed out.

Randy

Should we rate the F4F by it's ground attack abilities, or by it's proves in air combat?
National guard units closer to the West coast used the P/F-51, these closer to the East coast used the P/F-47.
 
Pretty much this and it was rather rammed home when OTL's post-war budget cuts force the new USAF to choose a single airframe to continue to use (as Air National Guard units mostly) and they picked the higher performance P-51/F-51. When Korea broke out the only aircraft available for close ground support ended up being the Mustang which proved to be a very fragile bird as many ex-P-47 pilots pointed out.

Randy
Fortunately, the Navy/USMC had F4U-4 Corsairs, and A-1 Skyraider's, and the USAF had B-26 Invaders for interdiction & CAS missions along with a number of jet powered mud hens.
 
Fuel has a definitive finite life, due to these un-sporty engines tending to use it, the more powerful engines, the greater consumption, difference being greater than 10000 gals 1944 vs. 42. How many sorties will be needed for the Packard Merlin to consume, lets say, 1000 gallons of coolant (ie. 1/10th of the increased fuel consumption made by the carrier air group by 1944)?
It's just another logistical requirement inside the limited hull of an aircraft carrier. It also requires new training and work for the already overworked deck crews.
What was the percentage of the aircraft that returned with missing chunks of the engines vs. aircraft taking the part in the mission? Say, during the Battle of Midway?
I would guess the biggest loses of F4F's during the Battle of Midway was from running out of gas. Navy tactics such as the Thach Weave were based on a wingman turning into an A6M Zero to force a head on pass. If pilots saw, they were about to be attacked from above and behind a common tactic was to turn into the attack and make a head on pass. If you were forced to make a head on pass, would you rather be flying a fighter with an inline or radial engine?
F4F's main job was that of a fighter. Same as that of the P-51s.
True enough, but fighters have many jobs. Attacking ships and ground targets are common tasks. It was a fact recognized by all combatants in WWII that inline engine aircraft were move vulnerable to light AA fire and high-altitude flak than radial engine aircraft. The P-47 was much preferred over the P-51 in the ground attack role. There was some logic to the USAAF choosing radial engines for all of their heavy, medium, and light bombers.
P-51 was the one with more kills, partially due to the ability to reach out and touch the enemy in what was once deep hinterland. That is despite the P-51 in American hands having a later start than the P-47s.
As you said the superior range of the P-51B/C/D took them to where their prey was. By late 1943 most of the Luftwaffe fighter force was based in Germany beyond the range of the P-47D. Without a doubt the Mustang was more maneuverable, with a better rate of climb, and better acceleration. For its part the Thunderbolt was almost as fast in level flight, was faster in a dive, had a very fast rate of role, was more rugged, and had heavier fire power. The USAAF thought enough of the P-47 to order the N version with a wet wing with the range needed for operations in the Pacific that was as fast as the P-51H.
Should we rate the F4F by it's ground attack abilities, or by it's proves in air combat?
National guard units closer to the West coast used the P/F-51, these closer to the East coast used the P/F-47.
All aircraft are rated by their overall qualities. Versatility is a great virtue. The F-15 may be the most successful fighter in history, but that's it's big thing. Not 1 lbs. for ground. The F15E is just as capable in the air-to-air role, but it can do so much more to affect the battlefield. The F4F did a lot of good service in bombing and strafing runs to save marines on Guadalcanal. The F4F's on Wake Island actually sunk an IJN destroyer and helped drive off a landing force creating the legend of Wake Island. Being a pure fighter is great, but having other capabilities to fit the circumstances can be even better.
 
It's just another logistical requirement inside the limited hull of an aircraft carrier. It also requires new training and work for the already overworked deck crews.

Far easier to find the place for something that is a non-consumable liquid, than to find the place for tens of thousands of gallons of fuel extra as needed for the greatly upped fuel requirement that happened between 1942 and 1943, as well as finding the place to store the ADI liquid - water-alcohol - that was also a consumable (a thing that Allied V12 engines were working just fine without, while R-2800s and R-1820s on the USN fighters were using it by winter of 1943/44 ).

Deck crews of the USN were at least as good as the deck crews of the RN, that was using British radials, Merlins, and US radials on their carriers by mid war.

I would guess the biggest loses of F4F's during the Battle of Midway was from running out of gas. Navy tactics such as the Thach Weave were based on a wingman turning into an A6M Zero to force a head on pass. If pilots saw, they were about to be attacked from above and behind a common tactic was to turn into the attack and make a head on pass. If you were forced to make a head on pass, would you rather be flying a fighter with an inline or radial engine?

I'd rather have an engine that gives ~15% more BHP, plus 10-15% extra of the propulsive power due to the better layout of exhaust stacks, so the Thach weave is not a necessity - my fighter is at least as fast as the Zero 32 (and faster than the Zero 21). I also have the chance to catch enemy torpedo- and dive-bombers even if the C&C operator makes a mistake, so eg. CV Lexington survives the Battle of Coral Sea.
Came the need to trade blows head-on, I still have the bullet-proof glass in front of me, as well as self-sealing tanks; Zero is still without those.

I was trying to point out that the ability for a fighter that survives a blown off cylinder and RTB is very much exaggerated.

True enough, but fighters have many jobs. Attacking ships and ground targets are common tasks. It was a fact recognized by all combatants in WWII that inline engine aircraft were move vulnerable to light AA fire and high-altitude flak than radial engine aircraft. The P-47 was much preferred over the P-51 in the ground attack role. There was some logic to the USAAF choosing radial engines for all of their heavy, medium, and light bombers.

I'd say that a main job of a fighter is to down enemy aircraft. If it is bad, or even meh in that role, it is a lesser fighter than the one that excels in that role. See eg. Merlin Mustang vs. Fw 190A - former was a far better fighter, while the later was a very good ground attacker and that still didn't save it from being trashed by the P-51B or D. That is despite the 190 being powered by a radial engine, with an armored oil system ( a thing that was not present on the US ww2 fighters), and while featuring double, if not triple the firepower.
Or, see Hurricanes and Spitfires back in the BoB - nobody ever complained that their bomb load was zero.

There was certainly a logic of the USAAF choosing the radial engines - US liquid cooled 'scene' was weak, there was no V12 engine of power between 1700-2800 HP in mass production until very late (with 2000 HP US-made V12 engines not serving in ww2), and there was perhaps 5 factories making radial engines for each factory making V12s.

How many US fighters were shot down by AA when doing the fighter jobs, like defending the ground site, or ships, or while escorting the bombers, when compared with how many were shot down by enemy fighters?

All aircraft are rated by their overall qualities. Versatility is a great virtue. The F-15 may be the most successful fighter in history, but that's it's big thing. Not 1 lbs. for ground. The F15E is just as capable in the air-to-air role, but it can do so much more to affect the battlefield. The F4F did a lot of good service in bombing and strafing runs to save marines on Guadalcanal. The F4F's on Wake Island actually sunk an IJN destroyer and helped drive off a landing force creating the legend of Wake Island. Being a pure fighter is great, but having other capabilities to fit the circumstances can be even better.

USN brass was looking at the Wildcat in the negative way after the Battle of Midway, due to the type under-performing in it's primary mission. See the quote from the 'Black shoe Admiral' book:
...Another aspect of the attack that proved inadequate was fighter escort. To Fletcher the folding wing F4F-4s represented no improvement over the fixed-wing F4F-3s, except more F4F-4s could be carried. He echoed the call of Halsey and others of the urgent necessity'' for detachable fuel tanks to increase their effective attack radius beyond 175 miles. Spruance and Browning rated the Grumman Wildcat "greatly inferior'' in comparison with the nimble Japanese Zero. On 20 June Nimitz relayed their fears to King, noting the "extreme and apparently increased superiority performance of 0 fighters'' was mitigated only by the vulnerability of Japanese planes and the superior tactics of the U.S. Navy fighter pilots. "Overall results have been bad and will be serious and potentially decisive with improvement that must be expected in enemy tactics.'' Remarkably he called for army Curtiss P-4OF Warhawk fighters to replace navy F4F Wildcats and Brewster F2A Buffaloes in all marine fighting squadrons defending forward bases and even asked that the P-4OF "or comparable type" be tested for carrier suitability; In the meantime the F4F-4s must be lightened, and their ammunition supply increased even should that require reverting to four guns in place of six.The swift introduction of the Vought F4U-1 Corsair fighter was an"absolute priority.'' Thus after Midway the top fleet commanders experienced a serious crisis of confidence over the effectiveness of the basic U.S. carrier fighter, a worry that would soon influence Fletcher's most controversial command decision...

Lundstrom, Black Shoe carrier Admiral, p.200


The call to the P-40F or a similar type to be tested is quite revealing.

The F4F-3's bomb load was 200 lbs (the SAC sheet does not mention the bombs for the -4 at all), it will not be as good a bomber as the SBD that topped at 1600 lbs, or the TBF that topped at 2000 lbs. Comparing the light F4F with one of the heaviest fighters that was conceived after several decades of advancements in technology is missing the point.
 
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