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You got me thinking: both @panpiotr and myself might have missed the GDP per capita.

Say the Union State has 200,000,000 inhabitants in 2028. The $27.576.445 million GDP, gives us a per capita number of $ 137,882.22. That is a lot. The most recent numbers I could find with a quick Google were for 2022 & 2024. If we assume the Union State has 190,000,000 inhabitants, we'd be at $ 109,674.23 per capita, which is between Nr 5 Quatar and Nr 6 UAE. The USA is 8th, at 76,399. For 2024 the USA is at p6 at $ 85,370, while we'd be at $ 112,076.19. That's P2 between Luxembourg and Ireland (with a Union State population of 193,000,000).

So we need about 50,000,000 people to have a GDP per capita to be close to the USA. If we compare ourselves with say Norway, which is a 1st world country with lots of natural resources, we need 30,000,000. If we compare ourselves to Germany, we need a staggering 205,000,000 extra people.

TLDR; we need the Stans (appr. 72 million). Preferably with Ukraine (appr. 38).



Edit: if we add the Stans in 2023 (1,205 GDP, 72,000,000) we get $ 78,407,45, much more realistic.
Edit2: the other way around works too, but then we'd be richer per capita as the US. If we add Ukraines adjusted 2024 GDP and pop we come to $ 102,272 in 2024. Pretty high.
 
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Dear players/readers I would really appreciate you sharing your ideas/initiative Russia could or should pursue.
Hydroponic farms and better recyclable water for our eventual moon base and Mir-2 since it would help in the long term.

*Edit: We should also do Eco-socialism or if we're already doing it, expand it.
 
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You got me thinking: both @panpiotr and myself might have missed the GDP per capita.

Say the Union State has 200,000,000 inhabitants in 2028. The $27.576.445 million GDP, gives us a per capita number of $ 137,882.22. That is a lot. The most recent numbers I could find with a quick Google were for 2022 & 2024. If we assume the Union State has 190,000,000 inhabitants, we'd be at $ 109,674.23 per capita, which is between Nr 5 Quatar and Nr 6 UAE. The USA is 8th, at 76,399. For 2024 the USA is at p6 at $ 85,370, while we'd be at $ 112,076.19. That's P2 between Luxembourg and Ireland (with a Union State population of 193,000,000).

So we need about 50,000,000 people to have a GDP per capita to be close to the USA. If we compare ourselves with say Norway, which is a 1st world country with lots of natural resources, we need 30,000,000. If we compare ourselves to Germany, we need a staggering 205,000,000 extra people.

TLDR; we need the Stans (appr. 72 million). Preferably with Ukraine (appr. 38).



Edit: if we add the Stans in 2023 (1,205 GDP, 72,000,000) we get $ 78,407,45, much more realistic.
Edit2: the other way around works too, but then we'd be richer per capita as the US. If we add Ukraines adjusted 2024 GDP and pop we come to $ 102,272 in 2024. Pretty high.
I mean, what about the compound effect of immigration, like this Russia should be receiving at least hundreds if not some thousands people immigrating to it, from all of Easter Europe to the Asian Continent, because since like 2007 we are in a position to receive a lot of immigrants as a lot of people that would go to the USA in that part of the world will go to us now as we are the cheaper and closer option and it is visible that year by year that our citizens lives are being improved, so everthing for them would be easier and more affordable.
 
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I mean, what about the compound effect of immigration, like this Russia should be receiving at least hundreds if not some thousands people immigrating to it, from all of Easter Europe to the Asian Continent, because since like 2007 we are in a position to receive a lot of immigrants as a lot of people that would go to the USA in that part of the world will go to us now as we are the cheaper and closer option and it is visible that year by year that our citizens lives are being improved, so everthing for them would be easier and more affordable.
The number is capped by the government to maintain the social and national cohesion in Russia.
 
The number is capped by the government to maintain the social and national cohesion in Russia.
I still doubt it would be able to stop that much considering how Western Europe, the US, and even Mexico have still dealt with illegal immigration. Considering how Afghanistan/Pakistan is we will likely see further migration from them at some point even if its in refugees.
 
The number is capped by the government to maintain the social and national cohesion in Russia.
Hum, well i still think that we would have a lot more Immigrants goint to Russia, like in this link https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/wmr-2022-interactive/ in 2022 Russia still have 11M migrants living there, and well i just think that in the comming years this Union State here can pass that mark very fast, like of course we can't beat the US on this and never will, but it will be a constant grow in the background, like i don't know how much is capped but this would not stop much the tide of people trying to go for ilegal means and reach Russia.
 
Like our population still without the Immigration will be high, like from 2006 to 2009 the Union State have reached 8.3M people being born in just 3 years, like thats insane high and with just basic calculation using those 8.3M as a base we can see that for exemple in 2014 we would have approx.: 200.640.000(this is if we didn't already get that part of Ukraine that we voted on) and with that breaking the 200M mark, like with everthing combined in the future of taking that part of Ukraine, immigration, and the natural birth of our population i can't see us not being the top 3 more populated Country, like the US get stagenated on its population and even with Immigration we could have passed it by 2020 at least for me.
 
We could create a sort of refugee town as to not our villages, towns and cities with refugees.
I mean this is just asking for ghettos and increasing political polarization in Russia especially since not everyone is going to share the same anti-refugee bent. We will have to figure something up that does not piss off the less nationalistic/xenophobic of our population.
 
Edit: if we add the Stans in 2023 (1,205 GDP, 72,000,000) we get $ 78,407,45, much more realistic.
I don't think it would be wise to annex the Stans. At most we should be thinking about annexing Kazakhstan, due to it's high Ethnic Russian population, but even this should be a stretch, considering we would be adding millions of Muslins to the Russian Federation, when even one small province of one million inhabitants already caused that much headache in the 90s.

We need Ukraine not only because of it's big population and strategic location, but because it's population can be completely integrated into the Union State in a cultural and religious sense, which can't be said of countries like Uzbekstan. Ukraine is the place where Russia was born as a nation, the Stans are borderlands with conquered peoples. These peoples can be friendly in a vassal state arrangement, but if we push then around too much they will revolt and fight back against us. They need to be respected.

So we can think of annexing Kazakhstan if we end up welcoming Ukraine in the Union, because this would ad roughly 40 million Slavs to the mix and would rebalance demographics and quench nationalistic anxieties, but taking the other Stans in is unthinkable. These populations don't want to be Russians and would revolt by their own design or by the design of our foreign enemies. We would be dealing with a hotbead of Islamic Extremist mixed with Nationalism, and we shouldn't underestimate these forces.

I'm not even fully settled that we should let Kazakhstan in. Armenia and Georgia are better candidates for annexation in this sense, but they are too small to justify the administrative/political privilegies of being a member of the Union State. Are these countries equal to Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine size wise? Clearly no.
 
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You got me thinking: both @panpiotr and myself might have missed the GDP per capita.
So I just went and did some really rough calculations and by 2027 we are looking at a population of 251 million - likely with a significantly lower median age compared to OTL Russia. Again I did lowball it a bit because I'm predicting a slowdown in birthrates beginning to occur toward the end of the 2010s. So we'd definitely be at a level of the US without needing to add in the stans. Although honestly by that point there should be massive alarm bells in the US going on about a near-peer who is a definite peer in per capita income. Selfishly this means I'd like Ukraine's per capita to be a good deal lower than Russia's lol so that if we do incorporate them into the Union State our population increases and our per capita goes down.

in 2014 we would have approx.: 200.640.000
Sounds pretty accurate, my rough calculation yielded 207 million in 2015. Just to clarify tho the net increase in population was ~4.95 million (cause I had to also factor in the death rate) without immigration. So although Russia is definitely becoming more diverse but because the main chunk of births are still Russians the percentage changes aren't too great and probably still won't be long term either.

Just also going to clarify that these figures have taken into account a net inward migration of roughly 1.1 million per year with @panpiotr's permission. If this was to be clamped down upon the population growth of course slows down.

So we can think of annexing Kazakhstan if we end up welcoming Ukraine in the Union
I've always been in favour of adding Kazakhstan not just because of the ethnic Russian component but also because the size of our economy is going to cause an exponential increase in the influence Russia has in Kazakhstan compared to OTL (which is already pretty high to begin with). Not to mention I think a large part of the influx of immigrants has likely been from them. I'd also assume the Othodox Church has likely become somewhat more of a force in Kazakhstan just due to the fact they have more monetary influence due to a richer Russian congragation and the support and money we gave them a few years back when trying to correct Soviet-era mistakes. I don't think its a stretch to assume the Othodox Church has heavy missionary activities going on in the nation - which would likely also be creating new tensions.
 
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That all works. So we grow naturally better then expected, we have less death by virtue of our fight against addictive substances including tobacco and alcohol, plus much much better healthcare. And let's not underestimate the lessened stress due to a much better education system, job availability and geopolitical status. Then Ukraine is good enough to make it not ASB. Preferably I would add Kazakhstan too, in fact I'd add all Eurasian Economic Union members, including Uzbekistan but excluding Cuba. Those countries add really valuable minerals our industry needs.

I still argue that we at least want military bases and a tight integration with the other Stans. So adding the other Stans, Moldavia, maybe even Afghanistan and Iran (as an observer?) to the E(A)EU would make sense. Seeing our economic success maybe Finland and the Baltics want a form of collaboration, though the latter are a tad of a stretch. I'd also be curious whether we can get a good relationship with Japan, based on the data I found there is a good trade relationship (well pre-war):
In 2022 Russia exported $13.1B to Japan. The main products that Russia exported to Japan are Petroleum Gas ($4.48B), Coal Briquettes ($2.85B), and Crude Petroleum ($1.15B). During the last 27 years the exports of Russia to Japan have increased at an annualized rate of 4.1%, from $4.43B in 1995 to $13.1B in 2022.
In 2022 Japan exported $4.33B to Russia. The main products that Japan exported to Russia were Cars ($2.33B), Large Construction Vehicles ($235M), and Motor vehicles; parts and accessories (8701 to 8705) ($216M). During the last 27 years the exports of Japan to Russia have increased at an annualized rate of 5.11%, from $1.13B in 1995 to $4.33B in 2022.
There are issues though. While we have ITTL a richer Japan then OTL, allowing them to fuel their economy with even more Union State resources. But with the latest updates, Cars, LCVs etc are very much less interesting to our population. So our trade would have to base much more on robotics and other industrial mechanisation tooling.
 
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I don't think it would be wise to annex the Stans. At most we should be thinking about annexing Kazakhstan, due to it's high Ethnic Russian population, but even this should be a stretch, considering we would be adding millions of Muslins to the Russian Federation, when even one small province of one million inhabitants already caused that much headache in the 90s.

We need Ukraine not only because of it's big population and strategic location, but because it's population can be completely integrated into the Union State in a cultural and religious sense, which can't be said of countries like Uzbekstan. Ukraine is the place where Russia was born as a nation, the Stans are borderlands with conquered peoples. These peoples can be friendly in a vassal state arrangement, but if we push then around too much they will revolt and fight back against us. They need to be respected.

So we can think of annexing Kazakhstan if we end up welcoming Ukraine in the Union, because this would ad roughly 40 million Slavs to the mix and would rebalance demographics and quench nationalistic anxieties, but taking the other Stans in is unthinkable. These populations don't want to be Russians and would revolt by their own design or by the design of our foreign enemies. We would be dealing with a hotbead of Islamic Extremist mixed with Nationalism, and we shouldn't underestimate these forces.

I'm not even fully settled that we should let Kazakhstan in. Armenia and Georgia are better candidates for annexation in this sense, but they are too small to justify the administrative/political privilegies of being a member of the Union State. Are these countries equal to Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine size wise? Clearly no.
I can say for 100% that the Russian leadership does not have in plans incorporating states like Georgia, Armenia and stans (except for Russian dominated oblasts in Kazakhstan), as they have learned the lesson from USSR. The Union State now consisting of Russia, Belarus, Transnistria and Gaguazia is a Slavic and Orthodox union and it will remain this way. The Russian leadership does not want to repeat problems with Caucasus and Central Asia like USSR had back in 80s. Also they learned the lesson from the Soviet collapse in 80s very well, and are making sure that none of Soviet mistakes would be ever repeated. Also, with the Union State we are in process of 3rd Russian imperial project (after Russian Empire and the USSR) , whether we like it or not.
 
That said, I would suggest we try and keep as much of the former Soviet bloc in our orbit. While Poland and the Baltics are lost causes*, the Caucasus and Central Asia less so. In particular, we should support Armenia as much as possible, not only as fellow Orthodox Christians, but also because of potential PR points. Azerbaijani - and even Turkish - hostility and even irredentism towards Armenia can be used to tar the West, especially if they decide to back the Turks. Bring up the specter of the Armenian Genocide, and accuse the West of double-standards, about how genocide is only bad if they're not the ones doing it. Dirty business, I know, but the Anglo-Americans have never played fair for all their pretensions to the contrary, so neither should we.

In contrast, Central Asia should be much more straightforward, between sheer geographic proximity, and preexisting economic and infrastructural ties dating back to the Soviet era. Emphasize Central Asia's importance as a crossroads between Russia and our Iranian ally, and quietly position ourselves as a counterweight against China. Yes, we may have been one-time overlords of Central Asia, but we're not nearly as overbearing as the Chinese would be, and there are certainly less Russians than there are Chinese, which could also be played up in one way or another.

*One way we could still use Poland and the Baltics to our advantage is to paint them as alarmist if not outright revanchist in their constant anti-Russian rhetoric. This would muddy the water and make it harder to build consensus in NATO and the EU against us, by strengthening the hand of pacifist elements in both organizations, especially if we play the diplomatic game right.
 
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I am not sure if someone mentioned this already, but we should really really focus on tech stuff like semiconductors and microchips, for various reasons like economy and armament (which we saw IRL that those stuff are important)
 
What is the current status of mercenary groups like Wagner, they can play a role in Libya, Congo , maybe sahel region.
They operate in Africa, Middle East and South America, where they offer regimes security in exchange for the transfer of diamond and gold mining contracts to Russian companies. In Syria and Libya the act as additional personal guard for Gaddafi and Assad. Also Wagner Group provides security and protection to governments and in return, Russian and Wagner-linked companies have been given privileged access to those countries' natural resources, such as rights to gold and diamond mines, while the Russian state has been given access to strategic locations such as airbases or ports. This has been described as a kind of state capture, whereby Russia gains influence over those states and they become dependent on it
 
What is the current status of mercenary groups like Wagner, they can play a role in Libya, Congo , maybe sahel region.
Speaking of which, we need a tighter grip on PMCs like Wagner. For starters, they should never be in a position where they could even attempt a coup against us, and second, the Americans' willingness to let their PMCs run with less restrictions than the regular military is an opportunity. That is, we should have our PMCs operate under no less restrictions as the regular military, i.e. just because they're PMCs and not state military, doesn't mean they can run fast and loose with rules of war.

In short, PMCs can be useful as cat's paws, but let's not waste the chance to show-up the West that our PMCs are more professional and disciplined than theirs are.
 
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