Wide Tracked, Diesel Panzers

Wide Tracked and Diesel Panzers


What would have been the effect of the Panzer I, Panzer II (and hence III and IV) having been built with Diesel powerplants rather than petrol (what would be the most likely replacement manufacturer?), and provided with wider tank treads ~40cm...?
 

NothingNow

Banned
Honestly, they'd just have been a bit more efficient, slightly harder to kill, and not particularly more agile off-road.

It would free up gasoline for other things, but cause some serious logistical headaches as just about everything else runs on gasoline. It might buy the Luftwaffe a couple months of fuel, but compared to the Allies, they'll still be dreadfully short on fuel, and it'll maybe draw things out a month.

As for the engines, Junkers and MAN seem like they'd be ideal vendors, particularly since the Jumo 204 series would, once suitably modified, make a better engine for a heavy tank than the HL210.
 
Honestly, they'd just have been a bit more efficient, slightly harder to kill, and not particularly more agile off-road.

It would free up gasoline for other things, but cause some serious logistical headaches as just about everything else runs on gasoline. It might buy the Luftwaffe a couple months of fuel, but compared to the Allies, they'll still be dreadfully short on fuel, and it'll maybe draw things out a month.

As for the engines, Junkers and MAN seem like they'd be ideal vendors, particularly since the Jumo 204 series would, once suitably modified, make a better engine for a heavy tank than the HL210.
The trick here is NOT to invade the USSR until Britain falls.
 
Britain can't fall, and every second Germany delays invading the USSR, Soviet military strength and defenses grows by a significant amount.
 

NothingNow

Banned
Britain can't fall, and every second Germany delays invading the USSR, Soviet military strength and defenses grows by a significant amount.

Yep.
The Germans don't actually have any particularly effective means of forcing the UK to capitulate, and can't make it across the channel to invade.

meanwhile, the german treasury steadily runs out of the looted gold needed to keep everything running, and Stalin's armies grow stronger by the day.
 
What i never understand that Wehrmacht were so zealous about petrol engine in there Tanks.

Diesel engine would have give the Wehrmacht more Mobility
because the Petrol was scarce goods for germans war-machine.
on the other hand the German synthetic fuel from coal produce quantity of synthetic diesel.
 

Garrison

Donor
Wide Tracked and Diesel Panzers


What would have been the effect of the Panzer I, Panzer II (and hence III and IV) having been built with Diesel powerplants rather than petrol (what would be the most likely replacement manufacturer?), and provided with wider tank treads ~40cm...?

As others have said would make a marginal difference. What the Germans really needed to do was simplify their designs to increase production. However if the do that it just means more tanks they have to find steel to build and supply with fuel and ammo. You might end of with the jet fighter situation; be the end of the war they had hundreds of them sitting around without the fuel or pilots to fly them.
 
What i never understand that Wehrmacht were so zealous about petrol engine in there Tanks.

Diesel engine would have give the Wehrmacht more Mobility
because the Petrol was scarce goods for germans war-machine.
on the other hand the German synthetic fuel from coal produce quantity of synthetic diesel.
Those plants were also producing the majority of Germany's aviation fuel, which probably factored highly into their planning. The fact is, the Germans didn't really have any excess production anywhere, if they'd switched to synthetic diesel, they'd have had to cut back on aviation fuel, and that wouldn't have helped one bit.
 
Wide Tracked and Diesel Panzers


What would have been the effect of the Panzer I, Panzer II (and hence III and IV) having been built with Diesel powerplants rather than petrol (what would be the most likely replacement manufacturer?), and provided with wider tank treads ~40cm...?

None or maybe more fuel problems ? You can't just decide to produce more diesel with a given amount of oil. You can produce a little bit more, but this involve retooling reffineries, and you won't have a lot more diesel. This is a problem in France nowaday as due to having far more diesel vehicules, there is a deficit of diesel production and a surplus of petrol production. And it won't give the luftwaffe more staying power as petrol is very bad for most plane engines (that is why you use kerosene and not petrol), which would mean that yes, luftwaffe's plane could fly a little more in time of kerosene needs but at the cost of performance and engne durability.

For wider tracks it would help a little bit for mobility in mud, but that would change nothing in the grand scheme of things, as without enough fuel you would your larger track would mean nothing.
 
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