Sports What Ifs.

[AltSptHst]

i WOULD say dallas take Sanders but they still have the picks of their vikes trade, so Smith come next year...but Walsh is still suspect...so 1991...

I think Dallas had Mandarich as their second-rated player (after Aikman).

In the Supp draft, they have a tougher decision to make without Aikman. Jimmy likes Walsh, but Timm Rosenbach is more talented, and they may take him instead.

 

[Nivek]

I think Dallas had Mandarich as their second-rated player (after Aikman).

In the Supp draft, they have a tougher decision to make without Aikman. Jimmy likes Walsh, but Timm Rosenbach is more talented, and they may take him instead.

Rosenbach could be elite if avoid his unlucky injuries ,

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Someone mentioned 1991, I definitely think Dallas would take Favre because he was a Southern kid and that would please Jimmy Johnson.

He wouldn't even have to be as great as he became by the middle 90s because Emmitt Smith could lead that team for a couple of years yet.

If the Packers already have sanders who will they take as a quarterback? Or could Majkowski avoid his injuries in this timeline.

Akeman was good enough that he could have possibly gotten the steelers to the Super Bowl in 1992.
They lost 24-3 to Buffalo, but knowing they have a good qb they can draft their team differently.

 

[Nivek]

Someone mentioned 1991, I definitely think Dallas would take Favre because he was a Southern kid and that would please Jimmy Johnson.

He wouldn't even have to be as great as he became by the middle 90s because Emmitt Smith could lead that team for a couple of years yet.

If the Packers already have sanders who will they take as a quarterback? Or could Majkowski avoid his injuries in this timeline.

Akeman was good enough that he could have possibly gotten the steelers to the Super Bowl in 1992.
They lost 24-3 to Buffalo, but knowing they have a good qb they can draft their team differently.

Yeah but i forget Rosenbach, he could be, or they could roll with Walsh and them Favre, Hey a great RB helps any QB so Favre when less TD..also will have fewer INT...but again depends who and how dallas draft.

Steelers could make a SB, maybe two..but dunno if they could be either dallas or niners here

About packers..if they don't get Favre...they could be rolling with Warner or Hasselback

 

[mrcubfan415]

Saw this article and thought it looked interesting: https://bleacherreport.com/articles...th-stanton-bumgarner-donaldson-price-and-more

What you do guys think would happen?

(Also, I think this would make an excellent PoD for a full-fledged TL, but I'm not sure what would be a good program to use to simulate all the games, free agency decisions, etc. Maybe OOTP 25?)

 

[kinnikuniverse]

Re-drafts are probably the laziest sort of what if sports content there is.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Re-drafts are probably the laziest sort of what if sports content there is.

Yeah you need a specific point of departure. We've discussed nineteen eighty three every which way but loose but that's because they're were specific ideas on what would happen if Houston lost that 1 game they w9n and picked a number one instead or a number of other things had happened with the Elway pick not to mention some Marino ones. And sometimes 1 pick at the top really does change a lot. But just saying they redraft willy nilly for no reason really doesn't make a lot of sense.

OOTP is really good for such events, I also don't know if baseball teams draft like the NFL however. For instance, if someone drafts a pitcher in our timeline, but that hurleris gone. Would they have just taken another one? Do they go for best available player instead or what?

 

[Don Corleone]

OOTP is really good for such events, I also don't know if baseball teams draft like the NFL however. For instance, if someone drafts a pitcher in our timeline, but that hurleris gone. Would they have just taken another one? Do they go for best available player instead or what?

OOTP is ok but it tends to go off in random directions. I tried to run an alternate timeline where the Pirates traded players instead of letting them walk. I traded Bonilla for Mattingly then started the simulation. The CPU randomly traded LaValliere. Plus other trades that didn't happen in OTL and wouldn't have necessarily happened if the original trade had been made. Ideally (and it might be the case in more recent versions) there's a Trades file you can edit to make the trades happen, and you can do it in the off-season.

 

[KingSweden24]

Dumb question perhaps but what is OOTP?

 

[kinnikuniverse]

Dumb question perhaps but what is OOTP?

Out of the Park baseball. It's basically the baseball equivalent of football manager

 

[Don Corleone]

Out of the Park baseball. It's basically the baseball equivalent of football manager

If you dig really deep in their site you can still find version 8.0 for free.

 

[AltSptHst]

On Facebook, I am reading a post from a group called "On This Day in Professional Football History".

The post has to do with the May 10, 1969 meeting about who was going to move to the AFC from the NFC.

We know that the Steelers, Browns, and Colts did, but early that morning, it looked like the Redskins and Falcons were going to the AFC along with the Colts or Vikings.

 

[Don Corleone]

I'd be interested in seeing the division alignments that would have happened.

Why did they change it from the Failclowns and Name Redacteds?

 

[AltSptHst]

I'd be interested in seeing the division alignments that would have happened.

Why did they change it from the Failclowns and Name Redacteds?

What happened is that it turned out to be a rumor (actually, the rumor was that the Falcons and Colts were moving with the Skins or Vikes as the possible third choice). Also, the Falcons and Vikings didn't want to go (apparently, the Bears wanted to get rid of the Vikes and get a warm weather team in their division).

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

OOTP is ok but it tends to go off in random directions. I tried to run an alternate timeline where the Pirates traded players instead of letting them walk. I traded Bonilla for Mattingly then started the simulation. The CPU randomly traded LaValliere. Plus other trades that didn't happen in OTL and wouldn't have necessarily happened if the original trade had been made. Ideally (and it might be the case in more recent versions) there's a Trades file you can edit to make the trades happen, and you can do it in the off-season.

I think I recall from the forums a few years back that they did make it so that you could turn trades off or something. But I could be thinking of another game.

How does the park tends to be a good middle ground because baseball mogul has a lot of depth and is great for the financial end but really gets random when it comes to anything more than a couple years after the beginning season of a replay. Strat-o-matic costs more and I don't think you can get a free version of any of it but it is the best when it comes to a replay of many years.

 

[kinnikuniverse]

What if the Phoenix Suns, boasting the likes of Gail Goodrich, Dick Van Arsdale and acquired Paul Silas from the Atlanta Hawks, won the 1st overall pick in 1969 and drafted Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

1969-1970

With Phoenix boasting some actually good players in Goodrich, Van Arsdale and Silas, Kareem, known as Lew Alcindor back then, has his individual stats suffer slightly, but he nonetheless still significantly influences the expansion franchise's fortunes, boasting a much improved 50-32 record and barely snatching the 1st seed in the west from Atlanta and the Lakers. They would easily defeat a game, but overmatched Chicago Bulls squad before taking part in an epic 7-game series against the Lakers of Baylor, West and Wilt. The Kareem vs Wilt matchup was the main focal point of this 7-game series, but it would end up being Gail Goodrich who made the difference, knocking down 4 daggers late in the game to send Phoenix to an incredible finals appearance in only their second season! Alas, they stumbled upon the New York Knicks, and while they do tkae the series to 7 games, Willis Reed's heroic appearance while injured at MSG galvanized the Knicks, and Walt Frazier went off for 34 pts to secure New York it's first NBA title.


1970-1971

Now settled, Kareem gets even better, winning the MVP with a stellar season, while his supporting cast stepped up big time, with Goodrich, staying in Phoenix, turning into a regular 20-point scorer and Van Arsdale and Silas showing off their versatility. The Suns competes with their fellow 1968 expansion team Milwaukee Bucks, led by ABA star Connie Hawkins and newly-acquired Oscar Robertson, for the first seed in the west, ending up barely ending up in second. However, this meant that they matched up again with the Bulls, and they would cruise past them in 5 games before facing the Big O and Hawkins in the conference finals. In 7 tough games, Kareem showed why he was a transcendent talent, carrying the Suns past the Bucks in a dominant game 7 to head to the finals to face the surprising Baltimore Bullets. Goodrich and van Arsdale helped Kareem sweep the Bullets to win the Suns their first championship.


1971-1972

Eager to repeat, Kareem and the Suns got flying at first in the first half of the season. However, an unlucky injury suffered by the center led Phoenix to spiral out of the playoff spots, with a harsh 20-point defeat against Chicago galvanized by the blockbuster trade of Earl Monroe [1] and the emergence of Artis Gilmore [2] as the new starting center exposing their lack of depth outside their starting lineup. Kareem got back in time for the last few games of the season, and Goodrich Carried the offensive load admirably in his absence, but sadly, the Suns would miss the playoffs, with the Lakers finally giving Wilt, Baylor and West their ring.

However, this proved to be a blessing in disguise for Phoenix, as they kept their 1972 first round pick, which ended up being the 9th overall pick, completing their already excellent starting 5 by drafting guard Paul Westphal.

1972-1973

Phoenix came back with a vengeance, now with a fully healthy Kareem and the arrival of Westphal alongside Goodrich in the backcourt. Phoenix gets the 1st seed again, facing off against the Lakers and Kareem again dominatign Wilt while Westphal snake in the clutch shots to go past the Lakers in 6 games. However, they would stumble upon an unexpected roadblock in Chicago, led by Monroe, Jerry Sloan and Artis Gilmore, one of the few centers who could contain Kareem. As such, the Bulls upsets the Suns in 7 tough games, Sloan eating the inexperienced Westphal alive and Gilmore's shutting down of Kareem allowed Earl Monroe to deliver MVP-level performances, sending Chicago to the final against the aging Knicks, where the Bulls would win their first NBA title in 6 games.

1973-1974

with Westphal now more experienced, the Suns now baosts the deadliest starting 5 in the entire league, and they would cruise to the 1st seed and dominate in the playoffs, ddmoshign the Lakers in 4 games and getting their revenge on Chicago by sweeping them before facing the ressurgent Boston Celtics. In a tough 7 game series, it would be Gail Goodrich again who would prove the difference, giving the ball to Kareem with the series-winning sky hook to give Phoenix its second NBA title.

1974-1975

however, rumour has it that Kareem night be interested in a change of scenery, with the Knicks, Washington Bullets and Lakers being rumoured to be interested in acquiring him. perhaps it distracted them, for Phoenix lost out on the 1st seed in the west to Rick Barry and Jamaal Wilkes's Goldme State Warriors, while in the playoffs, Earl Monroe and Artis Gilmore were in revenge mode, defeating the Suns in 6 games beofre losing to the eventual champions Warriors.


1975-1976

with Goodrich and Silas getting on a bit with age, many sees this season as the last dance for this Phepnix Suns core, with the expectations being Phoenxi to retool around Kareem and Westphal for the foreseeable future...IF Kareem decides to stay, after all, which is far from done...despite those uncertainties, the Suns put that aside and entered the season with a newfound focus, getting the 3rd seed behind Seattle and GSW. Phoenix would beat the Sonics in 6 games before Kareem delivered a typical dominant performance In a 5-game win over Golden State. In game 5 of the final against the Boston Celtics, John Havlicek has a potential game-winning shot in double OT blocked by Kareem, leading to the Suns's Paul Westphal to knock in 10 points in triple OT to win it for the Suns, who would dominate in Game 6 to win their third title.

however, With Gail Goodrich leaving for the Jazz and Paul Silas leaving for the former ABA's Denver Nuggets and the future of Kareem in Phoenix still uncertain, the Suns are in uncharted waters heading into the 1976 off-season...


[1] IRL traded to the Knicks. However, Chicago were among the teams Monroe wanted to be traded to IRL.

[2] IRL spent 5 seasons in the ABA for the Kentucky Colonels before joining the Bulls in the NBA in 1976 after the merger

 

[Don Corleone]

I think I recall from the forums a few years back that they did make it so that you could turn trades off or something. But I could be thinking of another game.

How does the park tends to be a good middle ground because baseball mogul has a lot of depth and is great for the financial end but really gets random when it comes to anything more than a couple years after the beginning season of a replay. Strat-o-matic costs more and I don't think you can get a free version of any of it but it is the best when it comes to a replay of many years.

I still want to find a game where you can expand the NFL to 36 teams in the 1980s by absorbing the last eight USFL teams. POD is the lawsuit is filed in Baltimore so the jury returns a lottery verdict and the NFL settles by offering a merger.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

I still want to find a game where you can expand the NFL to 36 teams in the 1980s by absorbing the last eight USFL teams. POD is the lawsuit is filed in Baltimore so the jury returns a lottery verdict and the NFL settles by offering a merger.

That would be great. I guess you can't really invent one, huh? From what I understand that's what happened with baseball mogul, the inventor decided that there was no game that really covered the financial aspect of sports as well and so he developed one.

I'm not sure if out of the park has a shortened season option where you can say how many games you want the season to be, but if they did and that version 8 offered the 1994 season, that would be great for doing a replay of what I said about a 48 or 54 game baseball season

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Bill Veeck had to sell the Indians in 1949 to pay off the settlement for his divorce - but his marriage had been on the rocks since before he entered WW2, and he tried to win back his wife 3 times; the 3rd time she refused. The 2nd time was at the '46 WS where he brought the famiy in for a party and never paid any attention to her. Let's ignore that becasue if she was in for a pennty, she was in for a pound and it's more likely she'd have left him whent he first try didn't take; after all, he'd done dedcently the first time, it appears.

That was when he bought a ranch in Tucson and had the whole family out there. He paid attention to them and seemed to really be interested in them; he sold the Brewers to save his marriage. However, he bought the Indians months later and so, while she could stomach another tr when the '46 World Series didn't do enough, she was done with him by '48.

But what if the first try doesn't work?

It's pretty easy to do if you've watched enough sitcoms. Just have her get sick, one of the kids get bitten by a lizard, another get hurt in another funny way, it's your basic "vacation where it all goes wrong" plot. He gets hurt, too, and can't care for her, and they all decide it'snot meant to be.

He sells the ranch, sets up a trust fund for the kids, and while he might have to wait another month buy the Indians, nothingrealy changes, his fellow investors can cough up a bit more money and he has the team just like OTL,maybe even meets thelove of his life a year or so early.

How long does he keep the Indians?
Who buys the Browns in '51? Do they just get moved to Baltimore 3 years early? Leauge owners seemed to want that but there were hangups with the minor league team's rights. Or do they move elsewhere?
If Veeck eventually sells the Indians, what other team does he buy? He's a respectable owner here yet, if a little eccentric; after all, he's bringing in huge crowds and visiting teams love that. He hasn't done the zaniest stunts.
Where is Lou Boudreau traded? Before he sold the team, the manager had sensed friction between him and Veeck/Greenberg, and he expected to be gone a year before he was. It made more sense to let him go after 1949 than '50, sicne he won 5 more gmes in '50. This would let the Indianskeep Satchel Paige, and maybe just bring in AlLopez a year early? Can the Indians just send him to Washington (which needed a manager - they got Bucky Harris back out of retirement for '50) along with Mickey Vernon and a couple others before the season for better players? Veeck liked Avila as a future 2B but could use a stopgap, he had MInnie Minoso in the minors and trading Kennedy away wouldopen up a spot (probably Dale Mitchelle is untouchable and Larry Doby certainly is). If he does a 3-way trade with the White Sox he could get Bob Kuzava and maybe take the '51 and '52

I have this mental image of him thumbing his nose at baseball's establishment by selling the Indians after anotgher couple pennants and being the one to save the Athletics in PHiladelphia.If Roy Mack would accept being Veeck's GM of course, or if he just throws more money into the group that was already there OTL. pennants away from New York.

 

[ejpsan]

On Facebook, I am reading a post from a group called "On This Day in Professional Football History".

The post has to do with the May 10, 1969 meeting about who was going to move to the AFC from the NFC.

We know that the Steelers, Browns, and Colts did, but early that morning, it looked like the Redskins and Falcons were going to the AFC along with the Colts or Vikings.

It was in the end very logical that Baltimore, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh were moved to the AFC over any other possible teams.
Baltimore was in the same media market as Washington Football Club and this allowed both CBS with the NFC package and NBC with the AFC package to share,the market.
Cleveland was a member of the AAFC that was absorbed by the NFL in 1950,_and it makes sense for a cross state rivalry with Cincinnati.
Pittsburgh was the doormat of the NFL and the AFC was considered to be the weaker of the two conferences.
Also all three team got $3,000,000 to move to the AFC.
I could see St. Louis Football Cardinals moving to the AFC to be a cross state rival to Kansas City, but the owner of the Dallas Cowboys wanted the Cardinals in the NFC East to cut down on travel costs.