Will the USA buy any other territory like Greenland or Alaska, or annexed Liberia etc?
Whoops it was late my badYour title say it 1882 election but isn't it suppose to be 1884?
Time shall tell. Depends on the situation, currently the government is only eying native land out west.Will the USA buy any other territory like Greenland or Alaska, or annexed Liberia etc?
If you don't mind me asking, why on earth is Pendleton a leader of the Bourbons? IOTL, he was an ardent Copperhead and a consistent Northern advocate for Southern interests within the Democrat Party?View attachment 896798
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The House Bourbons have no leader they are a disorganized bloc. Of the two others one is an independent and one is a freedmen.
In the senate two republicans were elected from Lincoln the state endorsed the local Republican candidates hoping to hurt the liberals.
No thanks for asking! I actually plan on addressing it next chapter. Pendleton himself voted for Hampton in 1884, generally he stayed out of the whole Little Mac party split.If you don't mind me asking, why on earth is Pendleton a leader of the Bourbons? IOTL, he was an ardent Copperhead and a consistent Northern advocate for Southern interests within the Democrat Party?
Apart from that, I'm really enjoying the work so far. This is probably one of the most detailed, most realistic takes on a semi-successful reconstruction that I have seen on this site. Keep up the good work!
Ah, ok, that makes sense. Thank you very much. Am eagerly looking forward to the next chapter.No thanks for asking! I actually plan on addressing it next chapter. Pendleton himself voted for Hampton in 1884, generally he stayed out of the whole Little Mac party split.
OTL George grew more estranged with the southern wing of the party later in his career and his brand of midwestern Jacksonian democracy definitely wasn’t “east coast” Bourbonism, but also definitely wasn’t redeemer stuff.
ITL Pendleton after losing the Vice Presidency a second time in a row doesn’t go to Kentucky like OTL, he stays in Ohio and practices law staying out of politics. He does this until the failed Seward presidency, hoping back onto the democratic scene in the house. But as you know ITL the redeemer democrats are even louder and more violent than OTL. Pendleton and his gang of midwestern Dems like Hendricks sorta distance themselves from that wing and continue drifting towards civil service reform allying more with Liberal Senators by the early 1880s,
ITL the redeemers are either apathetic or dickishly opposed to civil service reform. By the 1884 election Pendleton is more with McClellan and company wishing to just bury the southern problem and move on without any federal intervention, but he too is annoyed by the jingo attitude of his southern colleagues. Pendleton ends up staying neutral during the party split and after a nasty campaign when it comes time for the senate to pick caucus chairs both the Bourbons pick George after a nebulous vote he wasn’t even really aware of.
The democrats went for a southern senator and the democratic caucus had already started shunning apathetic northerners like Pendleton and co.
TDLR; a mix of divergences, (a lack of his knowledge), tangled senate alliances and a pretty radically shifted Democratic Party (post split) left George on the outs with the Democrats but still respected and uncontroversial among the Bourbons.
Again next chapter I’ll go over all of this more (The Bourbons are about to explode and disband so there is gonna be a major party shift as some choose to not return to a party they feel has left it’s original values. After all I doubt old Hickory would be a fan of the redeemer caucus) plus obviously Sheridan coming into DC is gonna further inflame north-south tensions as he plans to reignite the Louisianan affair.
Thanks for the kind words! Hope this makes sense!
Vice President | John Quincy Adams II Liberal |
Secretary of State | Robert Todd Lincoln |
Secretary of War | Redfield Proctor |
Secretary of the Treasury | Louis Andrieux (Until 1885), Levi P. Morton Liberal |
Attorney General | Benjamin Brewster Liberal |
Secretary of the Navy | Horatio Bridge |
Secretary of the Interior | Boston Custer |
Postmaster General | James Garfeild |
Seems so, the Democrats are rapidly becoming a a regional party with all their self destructive southern supremacy moves. It was really a matter of time before the moderates jumped ship.And so the Democratic Party's last pretenses to not just be the unreconstructed reactionaries end with the "moderates" of the Bourbon Democrats moving to the Liberal Party.
By the Democrats becomig the Liberal Party's Populist wing, I assume you are talking about those who have defected to the Liberals here? And speaking of the South, how has TTL's Reconstruction (with the execution of the Confederate leaders and all that) affected TTL's Lost Cause (or equivalent historiography)?Seems so, the Democrats are rapidly becoming a a regional party with all their self destructive southern supremacy moves. It was really a matter of time before the moderates jumped ship.
Ironically the democrats are becoming the populist wing of the Liberal party, most liberals are wealthy New England businessmen.
Yes, referring to the defecting democrats.By the Democrats becomig the Liberal Party's Populist wing, I assume you are talking about those who have defected to the Liberals here? And speaking of the South, how has TTL's Reconstruction (with the execution of the Confederate leaders and all that) affected TTL's Lost Cause (or equivalent historiography)?
May they never have itTTL version of the lost cause is in its infancy though, by the 1890s and 1900s it should take a new form. They just need a Federal Government that is sympathetic or apathetic towards the south.
Lost Cause TTL (whatever new name it gets) would most definitely be a regional thing and highly depend on which state you're living in. A much weaker Lost Cause movement only helps in further dividing the South by having states (people/governments/societies/etc.) not being unified on the topic. Citizens from Florida will think much differently on the Civil War and it's aftermath when compared to citizens from South Carolina.TTL version of the lost cause is in its infancy though, by the 1890s and 1900s it should take a new form.