Doesn't matter. MAD means the nukes hit every one involved. Pretty sure the Soviets would tell them to knock it off and the US would happily have parked nukes in Turkey like in OTL.But they have Soviet backing...
Doesn't matter. MAD means the nukes hit every one involved. Pretty sure the Soviets would tell them to knock it off and the US would happily have parked nukes in Turkey like in OTL.But they have Soviet backing...
The Soviet will happily tell to the Mexican that at the moment they are on their own because they will not risk the motherland for them; MAD work this way, once the nuke start everyone gets his fair and unfair share.But they have Soviet backing...
Fortunately it's just the US deciding not to risk having to nuke millions in the Caribbean Union as a response to the possible threat, plus the internal assessment that the war wouldn't be able to be sustained much longer with the limited resources it was launched (you can tell it was a quick invasion), not to mention the extreme unpopularity of it at home and the skepticism of the Armed Forces that this war could be widened or sustained for long when they're already focused fighting in Indochina and other proxy wars around the globe. While the "official reason" is the nuke threat, these factors also are taken into account. And no the Soviets didn't say much about it and internally told the Caribbeans to knock it off. The reveal of the nukes being in Yucatan came as a last resort by the government, but reality is the US invasion took them all by surprise while they were building the missile facilities there, and these were not fully functionalHonestly i will have more expected the US government calmy explain to whatever is in charge in the carribean Union how extremely unwise or better utterly stupid and suicidal will have been even think about that move.
So is the US a hyperpower again? Seems like there is no real challengers or even the possibility of one coming up.
So is the US a hyperpower again? Seems like there is no real challengers or even the possibility of one coming up.
Russia (and Pakistan and North Korea!) still exist, it is very hard to dismantle countries that have nukes, even if they are manifestly dysfunctional. And yes, those are indeed conflicting spheres of influence: there are pro-Western factions centered around St. Petersburg and Rostov, the Chinese gobbling up Russia's fossil fuels, and a Moscow-based faction aiming to return Russia to its old glories.So any possibility of change in this world or is American power going to hold supreme? Also surprised Russia still exists at all, or are those conflicts of interests are actually different factions withing Russia?
I mean you say that but then there is China.Russia (and Pakistan and North Korea!) still exist, it is very hard to dismantle countries that have nukes, even if they are manifestly dysfunctional
I meant in the future of the conflict since I never though the Chinese would ever win this. I guess this is just an end of history scenario then?As for what happens, well, the Americans win in my scenario. Was there a possibility that things could have gone the other way? Most certainly, or the Beijing Faction would never have bothered going through with its plan! Of course, even if the Beijing Faction won, America would still be the world's greatest power, it would just not be ruling the roost quite like it did.
Well, China is still one contiguous whole, just one being fought over by various factions as well.I mean you say that but then there is China.
I meant in the future of the conflict since I never though the Chinese would ever win this. I guess this is just an end of history scenario then?
If China is so unstable, it wouldn't be in a position to be challenging the American order. Same goes for Russia.Well, China is still one contiguous whole, just one being fought over by various factions as well.
If China is so unstable, it wouldn't be in a position to be challenging the American order. Same goes for Russia.
OTOH, props for not fragmenting China into a gazillion internet micronations as is the case with most "China lost" scenarios.
Maybe portray different states with their respective color hatch patterns, much like what China and Russia have? That'd be my suggestion, but it's your call in the end.Maybe I should try to find a way to show on the map that 2060s-70s America is also internally divided and polarized, as well as simply "tired" of geopolitical entanglements (similar to its zeitgeist in the 1920s).
I'll definitely give it some thought!Maybe portray different states with their respective color hatch patterns, much like what China and Russia have? That'd be my suggestion, but it's your call in the end.
Unfortunely don't work this way, sure the nuke can be the official excuse to stop the fighting but there is no way that they meekly return home with their tail between the leg expecially after that kind of menace and in that manner. you do that and you can simply give up your status of superpower. Too much humiliation, this is litteraly in their neighbourgh, Indochina and the rest of the proxy war can go to hell, the Armed Forces will merely point that they need to scale bak their involvement in other theatres, plus the megahumilition that the Mexican have buillt a nuclear weapon program with lauch site rigth in front of their eyes and they haven't see itFortunately it's just the US deciding not to risk having to nuke millions in the Caribbean Union as a response to the possible threat, plus the internal assessment that the war wouldn't be able to be sustained much longer with the limited resources it was launched (you can tell it was a quick invasion), not to mention the extreme unpopularity of it at home and the skepticism of the Armed Forces that this war could be widened or sustained for long when they're already focused fighting in Indochina and other proxy wars around the globe. While the "official reason" is the nuke threat, these factors also are taken into account. And no the Soviets didn't say much about it and internally told the Caribbeans to knock it off. The reveal of the nukes being in Yucatan came as a last resort by the government, but reality is the US invasion took them all by surprise while they were building the missile facilities there, and these were not fully functional
It would go as the other poster above stated.Do you think the US would need to occupy everything then? Or at least make a bigger effort that includes buffer states or whatever
Thanks for the plausibility corrections
Ultimately the result is contingent on the way your timeline is going to go based on your own decisions so if you want to go with that outcome you can do it lolYeah but I don't know if it makes sense to have a 2014-22 Ukraine equivalent in this situation, I assume the US would succeed in overthrowing the entire government in the end due to the overwhelming military superiority (and in the map you can see the US was about to succeed)
There is a distinct difference. Afghanistan/Vietnam are across the world this is right next door. Plus a nuclear armed threat. This time they won't care and do everything to secure the nukes and do a regime change.Seems far more likely for the US invasion to turn into a super Afghanistan/Vietnam intervention, especially considering the terrain greatly supports the defenders, and that the US trying to impose a new regime would probably piss of the entire population.