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-===== Native American PODs =====
+====== Points of Divergence: Native Americans ======
 This is an article listing various points of divergence related to Native American cultures, i.e. the native, pre-Columbian cultures of the Americas (from the Arctic to Tierra del Fuego).
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   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=364211|WI: Native Americans never crossed over from Asia]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266417|DBWI: The Clovis people survived ?]]** ([[alternate history:double blind what if|DBWI]] about the Clovis culture ending prematurely)
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/no-paleo-indian-migrations-to-the-new-world.474721/|No Paleo-Indian migrations to the New World, later Siberian  and other migrations instead]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=136446|Plausibility check: America not discovered for another 500 years ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=565|The outcome of Native Americans not being discovered]]**
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   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=75577|Farming Californian Natives]]**
   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-people-of-thunder.307876/|Agriculture and domestication among advancements in the Pacific Northwest cultures]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/plausibility-check-could-native-americans-in-canada-and-the-northern-usa-farm-wild-rice.449755/|Plausibility Check: Could Native Americans in Canada and the northern USA farm wild rice?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/potato-all-over-the-americas.420270/|Potato all over the Americas]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-potato-reaches-mesoamerica.494408/|WI: Potato reaches Mesoamerica]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=61215|Dead end domestications ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=241781|Cool potential domestications]]**
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   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244110|Llama cavalry ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=280479|Llama survives in Mexico post-Pleistocene]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/llama-herding-in-north-america.514054/|Llama herding in North America]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=175723|Challenge: Tame the American Bison]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266561|WI the American Bison was domesticated ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=2340|Native American domestication of the buffalo (American Bison) ?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/domesticated-moose-is-it-possible.470125/|Domesticated moose: Is it possible ?]]**
   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-native-americans-domesticated-beasts-of-burden.441545/|What if Native Americans domesticated beasts Of burden ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86780|WI: Norse brought horses to America]]**
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   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-plains-indians-had-sheep-in-addition-to-horses.417844/|WI Plains Indians had sheep in addition to horses ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=305682|Domestication of bears ?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/inca-domesticate-andean-bear.498416/|Inca domesticate Andean Bear]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=113482|Bear cavalry ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=256129|Domesticated crocodiles or alligators ?]]**
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   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/bronze-age-advanced-weaponry.373624/|Bronze age advanced weaponry]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/if-native-americans-had-bronze-age-or-iron-age-weaponry-what-would-it-look-like.404356/|If Native Americans had Bronze Age or Iron Age weaponry, what would it look like ?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/why-did-native-americans-never-develop-ironworking.478857/|Why did Native Americans never develop ironworking?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-native-american-ironworking.478913/|WI: Native American ironworking]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=247109|Plausibility check: Transition from bronze to iron in the Americas]]**
-  * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257820|When did Native Americans adopt iron working ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=325417|Iron metallurgy in the Americas ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.net/Discussion/showthread.php?t=341493|Plausibility check: Iron-aging New World civilizations]]**
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   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=298871|Why didn't the Andean civilizations enter the Iron Age ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=317069|Incan Iron]]**
+  * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257820|When did Native Americans adopt iron working ?]]**
   * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them.
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   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/plausibility-check-native-americans-developing-crossbows-and-their-spread-in-the-new-world.447967/|Plausibility check: Native Americans developing crossbows (and their spread in the New World)]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=201458|An alternative technology to guns ?]]**
+  * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=294332|WI Mesoamericans developed Gunpowder ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=276498|Plausibility check: Wooden guns]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=307252|Weirdest plausible firearms]]**
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   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=191552|Ideas about more developed medieval era Amerindian civilizations]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=307876|Discussion on a more advanced native civilisation in the Pacific Northwest]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/indigenous-powerhouse-in-the-pacific-northwest.77894/|Discussion on an indigenous powerhouse in the Pacific Northwest]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/haida.74844/|Making the Haida more powerful]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=191552|Amerindian Middle Ages]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-the-navajo-and-apache-dont-move-to-the-american-southwest.473086/|WI: The Navajo and Apache don't move to the American Southwest]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/where-else-could-the-navajo-have-gone.480503/|Where else could the Navajo have gone?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-no-sioux-on-the-plains.471816/|WI: No Sioux on the Plains]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/where-else-could-the-sioux-have-gone.478791/|Where else could the Sioux have gone ?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-sioux-indian-wank.342769/|Sioux-wank]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=244215|Pre-Columbian New World naval powers: When, who, where, and how ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=314731|Challenge: Pre-Columbian discovery of the Old World by the Native Americans]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/surviving-arawaks-in-the-greater-antilles-and-bahamas.514176/|Surviving Arawaks in the Greater Antilles and Bahamas]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-arawak-taino-migrants-raid-mesoamerica.495534/|WI: Arawak/Taino migrants raid Mesoamerica ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-a-seafaring-culture-like-the-vikings-in-southern-chile.278669/|Challenge: A seafaring culture like the Vikings in southern Chile]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-native-americans-from-tierra-del-fuego-island-hop-to-antarctica.448652/|WI Native Americans from Tierra Del Fuego island hop to Antarctica ?]]**
   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-native-american-nation.444141/|Challenge: Native American Nation]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=93491|Contact between the Aztecs and the Incas]]**
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   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-surviving-native-american-state-on-the-west-coast.441473/|Challenge: Surviving Native American state on the West Coast]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-the-greenlandic-norse-adapt-and-adopt-inuit-culture.126187/|WI the Greenlandic Norse adapt and adopt Inuit culture ?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-have-a-major-world-religion-develop-in-the-americas.493361/|Challenge: Have a major world religion develop in the Americas]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=179149|Limited Colonization in the Americas]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=231543|Plausibility check: European colonization of the Americas runs into problems]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/in-a-timeline-with-minimal-european-intervention-in-the-americas-what-happens-to-the-natives.439515/|In a timeline with minimal European intervention in the Americas, what happens to the Natives ?]]**
   * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=180065|Colonizing America is Hard]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/alternate-name-for-native-americans.466929/|Alternate name for Native Americans]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-arawak-or-taino-tribes-kill-christopher-columbus-and-his-crew-1494.438089/|The Arawak or Taino Tribes Kill Christopher Columbus and his Crew (1494)]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=1304|WI Aztecs pushed Cortez out ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=27084|Challenge: The Aztec and Inca empires survive]]**
   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-wi-surviving-muisca-civilization.443593/|WI: Surviving Muisca civilization]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-champlain-befriends-iroqouis-instead-of-huron-and-algonquins.406257/|WI Champlain befriends Iroqouis instead of Huron and Algonquins?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-founding-of-huronia-a-thought-project.397512/|The Wendat (Huron) found their own realm of Wendake]]**
   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-a-comanche-genghis-khan.422973/|WI: A Comanche Genghis Khan]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-no-sioux-on-the-plains.471816/|WI: No Sioux on the Plains]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=279767|Challenge: Native Americans "pull an Iwakura"]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=234535|Iroquois Nation ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=302718|How could the Iroquois survive to become a US state ?]]**
-  * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=323036|WI: Larger and more successful Sioux Uprising in 1862]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-surviving-native-american-countries.473316/|Challenge: Surviving Native American countries]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/haida-what-could-have-been.97769/|The Haida become expansionist]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/challenge-successful-sioux-nation-survives-to-modern-day.457970/|Challenge: Successful Sioux Nation Survives to Modern Day (POD after 1775 AD)]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=287213|Native Americans as landlords for white settlers]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=260977|Plausible size of an "Indian Barrier State" established on the Great Lakes, as per OTL British plan ?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-no-indian-removal-act-what-happens-to-5-civilized-tribes.426912/|WI: No Indian Removal Act - what happens to 5 Civilized Tribes?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-wi-surviving-muskogee.461496/|Plausibility check: Surviving state of Muskogee]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266143|Which Indian tribes would be good candidates to become states ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=254287|WI: "Indian Territory" further east]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-native-american-regiment-in-a-us-north-american-millitary.459186/|Challenge: Native American Regiment in a US/North American millitary]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-no-us-conflicts-with-the-sioux-or-cheyenne-during-the-acw.289194/|WI: No US conflicts with the Sioux or Cheyenne during the ACW]]**
+  * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=323036|WI: Larger and more successful Sioux Uprising in 1862]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/challenge-successful-sioux-nation-survives-to-modern-day.457970/|Challenge: Successful Sioux Nation Survives to Modern Day]]**
   * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/a-native-american-easter-rising-1918.399931/|Plausibility check: A Native American "Easter Rising" in 1918 ?]]**
   * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=256899|Challenge: Create Native American Mobsters]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/native-american-zionism.460693/|Native American equivalent to zionism (reclaiming and resettling an old homeland)]]**
   * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them.
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 ==== Native American ASB and ISOT PODs ====
-  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-the-navajo-nation-gets-isot-to-1836.363079/| The Navajo Nation gets ISOT to 1836]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-six-nations-of-1775-isot-to-1142.472310/|WI Six Nations of 1775 ISOT to 1142?]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-native-americans-to-1350s-europe.462766/|25 million Native Americans from 2019 ISOTed (with immunity and some modern tech) to Europe in 1350 AD (post-Black Death)]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-an-asb-where-native-americans-land-on-europe.456487/|3000 rafts and canoes with Native Americans arrive in Europe in 1429 AD]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/1518-great-plains-isoted-to-2018.450706/|1518 Great Plains ISOTed to 2018]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-sioux-and-huns-switch-places.436667/|The Sioux of 1855 and Huns of 432 swap places]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-ghost-dance-works.453808/|WI: The Ghost Dance works]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-the-navajo-nation-gets-isot-to-1836.363079/|The Navajo Nation gets ISOT to 1836]]**
+  * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/an-isot-2019-mississippi-riverside-region-in-1500-bce.469042/|An ISOT: 2019 Mississippi riverside region in 1500 BCE]]**
   * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them.
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 ==== Notable timelines ====
-There have been a fair few Native American timelines, major and minor, throughout AH.com's history and the history of the online AH community in general. Here's an alphabetically sorted list of some notable timelines.
+**[[timelines:amerindians|Native American Timelines]]**
-  * //**[[timelines:Anahuatlacanco - The Land Between the Waters, Land of the Nahuatlaca|Anahuatlacanco: The Land Between the Waters, Land of the Nahuatlaca]]**// by [[offtopic:sa_id_mohammed|Cuāuhtemōc]]
+There have been a fair few Native American timelines, major and minor, throughout AH.com's history and the history of the online AH community in general. Here's a link to a list of some notable timelines.
-  * //**[[timelines:Bronze Age New World]]**// by [[offtopic:Doug M.|Doug Muir]] (originally developed at [[offtopic:soc.history.what-if]])
-  * //**[[timelines:Bronze Age New World 2.0]]**// by [[offtopic:Hnau]]
-  * //**[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=237901|Bronze Age New World : Empires of the Steppe]]**// by [[offtopic:ChugachMtnBlues]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Bronze Age New World Alaska]]**// by [[offtopic:ChugachMtnBlues]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Children of the Sun]]**// by [[offtopic:othyrsyde]]
-  * //**[[timelines:land of turkey and deer|The Count of Years (Land of Turkey and Deer)]]**// by [[offtopic:9 Fanged Hummingbird]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Deganawatha - The Haudenosaunee Imperium|Deganawatha: The Haudenosaunee Imperium]]**// by [[offtopic:Prime Minister]]
-  * //**[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=344640|Empires on the Ohio]]**// by [[offtopic:General Finley]]
-  * //**[[timelines:The Guns of the Tawantinsuya|Guns of the Tawantinsuya]]**// by [[offtopic:robertp6165]]
-  * //**[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=134879|Horses of Turtle Island]]**// by [[offtopic:Domoviye]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Land of Salmon and Totems]]**// by [[offtopic:King of Malta]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Lands of Bronze and Llamas|Lands of Bronze and Fire]]**// by [[offtopic:Huehuecoyotl]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Lands of Ice and Mice|Lands of Ice and Mice: An Alternate History of Thule]]**// by [[offtopic:DValdron]] and [[offtopic:DirtyCommie]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Mississippi Rice]]**// by [[offtopic:tormsen]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Pecari Rex Equus Regina - American Domesticates|Pecari Rex, Equus Regina: American Domesticates]]**// by [[offtopic:twovultures]]
-  * //**[[timelines:Swords of the Iroquois]]**// by [[offtopic:smjb]]
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 **[[resources:language help - native american languages|Useful resources about Native American languages]]**
-**[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-up-and-coming-ah-com-pre-columbian-cabal.477871/|The Up-and-Coming AH.com Pre-Columbian Cabal]]** - Main discussion thread for enthusiasts of pre-Columbian Native American alternate history.
+**[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pre-columbian-native-american-cultures-pods-and-alternate-histories-discussion.517251/|Pre-Columbian Native American cultures, PODs and alternate histories discussion]]** - Main discussion thread for enthusiasts of pre-Columbian Native American alternate history. An older iteration can also be found [[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-up-and-coming-ah-com-pre-columbian-cabal.477871/|here]].
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