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-===== Points of Divergence : Different Discovery and Colonization of the Americas ===== 
  
-Obviously, the discovery of two whole new continents changed our history immensely. America'​s discovery changed the whole world, and led Europe out of the Middle Ages, coupled with the Renaissance. After the discovery of the New World, Spain and Portugal dominated the continents for a century and a half before several other European powers joined in. The colonization era ultimately decided which countries would excell and which would be lost to history. AH fans often wonder what history would be like if America was discovered earlier, later, and by somebody other than the Spanish. The following links concern discussion about a Different Discovery and Colonization of the Americas. 
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-==== "Empty Americas"​ PODs ==== 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=2406|Discusson on an empty America]]** - [[offtopic:​soc.history.what-if]]'​s //​[[timelines:​Empty America]]// TL is mentioned and discussed, along with the "​climatic versus human influence"​ theory of North American megafauna extinction. 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=364211|WI:​ Native Americans never crossed over from Asia]]** 
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-Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. 
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-==== Ancient Pre-Columbian PODs ==== 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=565|The outcome of Native Americans not being discovered]]** - Very little discussion, idea of Bronze Age America mentioned. 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=214947|ASB WI: Proto-Indo-Europeans copied to Yucatan in 5000 BC]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=214108|Phoenicians in America (POD ideas)]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=213823|Challenge:​ Phoenician/​Punic/​Greek colonization of the Americas]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​roman-america.17262/​|Plausibility discussion: Romans land in New World (1)]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=196139|Plausibility discussion: Romans land in New World (2)]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​roman-colonization-of-the-americas.279267/​|Plausibility discussion: Roman colonisation of the Americas]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=115706|WI:​ Nova Roma circa 250 BC]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=235419|No Classic Mesoamerican Collapse]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=291171|WI:​ No Mississippian Culture implosion]]** 
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-Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. 
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-==== Medieval pre-Columbian PODs ====  
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=191552|Ideas about more developed medieval era Amerindian civilizations]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.org/​Discussion/​showthread.php?​t=211818|Why didn't urban Native American cultures move particularly far north ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=289916|Challenge:​ American natives technologically even with Europeans by the 15th century AD]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​what-if-the-greenlandic-norse-adapt-and-adopt-inuit-culture.126187/​|WI the Greenlandic Norse adapt and adopt Inuit culture ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=2603|Vikings discover and fully colonize America]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=249037|Vikings of America]]** 
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-**[[http://​alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=207578|Keeping Vinland settled]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=144673|Surviving Vinland colony ideas (1)]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​norse-north-america.293703/​|Surviving Vinland colony ideas (2)]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=266199|Plausibility check: How far could a Vinland colony grow ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=319996|The long-term geo-political consequences of Vinland'​s survival ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=252777|Plausibility check: Vinland not only growing, but eventually becoming a superpower]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=341349|DBWI:​ No Vinland]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​european-diseases-spread-to-the-new-world-during-the-dark-ages.115530/​|WI European diseases spread to the New World during the Dark Ages ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=111799|WI:​ The Vinland Pandemic]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=258202|WI:​ The Knights Templar colonizing North America (like according to some legends)]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=12424|WI every wacky "​pre-Columbian colonisation"​ scenario was true ?]]** 
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-**[[https://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​ahc-wi-colonization-of-america-in-the-1100s-1200s.390318/​|Challenge:​ Colonization of America in the 1100s/​1200s]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=67366|WI Mali discovers America ?]]** 
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-**[[https://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​abubakri-ii-of-mali-arrives-in-south-america.321863/​|Plausibility check: Abubakri II (Abu Bakr II) of Mali arrives in South America]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=158989|Mongols in the Americas]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​cuisine-and-foods-of-japanese-korean-chinese-colonized-west-coast-of-north-america.394841/​|Cuisine and foods of a Japanese/​Korean/​Chinese colonized west coast of North America ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=2309|Discussion of whether colonization styles were based more off the times than the nations]]** 
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-**[[https://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​could-the-americas-have-been-settled-by-the-europeans-in-the-middle-ages.419227/​|Could the Americas have been settled by the Europeans in the Middle Ages (11th century onward) ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=2649|Colonization of the Americas by one European power]]** - Discussion mostly on how to achieve a united Europe for such a goal. 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=1380|America discovered by an already industrial Europe]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=156702|Alternate North American colonizers ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=136446|Plausibility check: America not discovered for another 500 years ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=231543|Plausibility check: European colonization of the Americas runs into problems]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=2858|Germans discover America]]** - Discusses how an expedition might be funded. 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=169854|Plausibility check: Order states in the Americas ?]]** 
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-**[[https://​www.alternatehistory.com/​forum/​threads/​what-if-a-city-state-discovers-the-new-world.403136/​|What if a city state discovers the New World ?]]** 
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-Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. 
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-==== Post-Columbian PODs ==== 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=2132|Columbus does not discover America]]** - Various possible scenarios. 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=3044|Columbus sinks]]** - The possibility of secret Portuguese colonization of the Americas mentioned. 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=235054|WI The Columbian Expedition was a complete failure ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=347150|WI Columbus sailed north ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=119869|WI the Ottomans made it to America ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=159325|Greater Amerindian immunity to Old World diseases ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=1304|WI Aztecs pushed Cortez out ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=27084|Challenge:​ The Aztec and Inca empires survive]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=327088|More colonization of the Americas by Spain]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=179149|Limited Colonization in the Americas]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=262114|Dominant Europe with earlier discovery of America ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=362|Alternate names for America ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=273157|Challenge:​ New Sweden survives]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=266398|Challenge:​ Roanoke Colony Survives and Succeeds ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=311245|Challenge:​ Other European Colonizers in the New World]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=272867|Challenge:​ Federal Republic of South America]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=132934|WI No African Slave trade in the New World]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=265041|Challenge:​ Avoid Black slavery]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=144535|Ramifications of a sudden decline of the sugar cane industry after the 1740s]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=68523|Plausibility check: British Penal colonies on American mainland (outside Canada) after 1783]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=274174|WI:​ Jewish State in the Americas]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=266815|Most widespread Asian diaspora possible in Latin America]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=270517|A proper name for the American (US) South ?]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=282902|Challenge:​ Scandinavian Patagonia]]** 
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-**[[http://​www.alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=31738|Challenge:​ France regains North American colonies]]** 
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-Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. 
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-==== See Also ==== 
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-**[[pods:​Scramble for Africa|Scramble for Africa PODs]]** 
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-**[[http://​alternatehistory.com/​discussion/​showthread.php?​t=180065|Colonizing America is Hard]]** - Discussion on plausibility problems with earlier or more easily succesful colonisation efforts in the Americas. 
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