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 ====== Disunited Italy ====== ====== Disunited Italy ======
  
-A prominent [[alternate_history:​alternate_history_cliches|Alternate History cliché]]: If the [[pods:​italy|POD]] is before 1859, or at least long enough before 1859, in any eurocentric timeline [[offtopic:​Italy]] will not unite. Ever. Instead, the Italian states will continue to exist as single states, with apparently nationalism never even coming up again for some miracolous ​reason. It, like this article, is the exact Italian equivalent to the [[alternate_history:​Disunited Germany]] cliché.+A prominent [[alternate_history_cliches|Alternate History cliché]]: If the [[pods:​italy|POD]] is before 1859, or at least long enough before 1859, in any eurocentric timeline [[offtopic:​Italy]] will not unite. Ever. Instead, the Italian states will continue to exist as single states, with apparently nationalism never even coming up again for some miraculous ​reason. It, like this article, is the exact Italian equivalent to the [[Disunited Germany]] cliché.
  
-Like the German cliche, the reasons are manifold, but less intensive: The reason that a disunited Italy is geopolitcially ​more intersting ​applies fully. The reasons of nostalgia about and "loyality" to some of the old Italian states apply rather less so.  It is also hard to [[alternate_history:​wank]] other countries at Italy'​s expense. Mostly, the Disunited Italy cliché seems to exist due to a general historical nostalgia for the old order.+Like the German cliche, the reasons are manifold, but less intensive: The reason that a disunited Italy is geopolitically ​more interesting ​applies fully. The reasons of nostalgia about and "loyalty" to some of the old Italian states apply rather less so.  It is also hard to [[wank]] other countries at Italy'​s expense. Mostly, the Disunited Italy cliché seems to exist due to a general historical nostalgia for the old order.
  
-Of course, this cliche overlooks that nationalism was a force in Italy in the 19th century, just like everywhere else in Europe, and before the [[http://​en.wikipedia.org/​wiki/​Italian_unification|Risorgimento]] it was tied with democracy. It is unlikely the states could have continued to exist independently without a strong nationalist-democratic opposition. Also, the continued ​existance ​of the Papal State is not unproblematic,​ as it is likely that in a progressing Europe its acceptance would continously ​decline, in its own population and by other states. Of course, one could imagine a collection of authoritarian,​ troubled states in southern Central Europe, but the cliche also usually calls for the states to progress as normal.+Of course, this cliche overlooks that nationalism was a force in Italy in the 19th century, just like everywhere else in Europe, and before the [[http://​en.wikipedia.org/​wiki/​Italian_unification|Risorgimento]] it was tied with democracy. It is unlikely the states could have continued to exist independently without a strong nationalist-democratic opposition. Also, the continued ​existence ​of the Papal State is not unproblematic,​ as it is likely that in a progressing Europe its acceptance would continuously ​decline, in its own population and by other states. Of course, one could imagine a collection of authoritarian,​ troubled states in southern Central Europe, but the cliche also usually calls for the states to progress as normal.
  
 [[offtopic:​Susano]] is the member who gets most irritated about this cliche, one of the most widespread and most accepted cliches in Alternate History, mostly because of its connection to the German case. [[offtopic:​Susano]] is the member who gets most irritated about this cliche, one of the most widespread and most accepted cliches in Alternate History, mostly because of its connection to the German case.
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