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 ====== United, bland India ======
-This could be seen as an [[alternate_history:alternate_history_cliches|Alternate History cliché]], or as an outright fault in many timelines: India rarely ever gets covered. Thus, timeline authors also hardly research India. Hence they will simply assume the current state of affairs, a united India. However, united India only came about due to British colonialism. Before it was as disunited as Europe, and it continues to be as culturally diverse as Europe - its provinces could well work as homogenous nation-states, too. The cliché is to always have an united India, no matter how early the PoD, and to always have it a "Here be dragons" territory in regards to the timeline, an area almost completely omitted from the timeline, and to have its cultural differences be simply overlooked.
+This could be seen as an [[alternate_history:alternate_history_cliches|alternate history cliché]], or as an outright fault in many timelines: [[offtopic:India]] rarely ever gets covered. Thus, timeline authors also hardly research India. Hence they will simply assume the current state of affairs, a united India. However, united India only came about due to British colonialism. Before it was as disunited as Europe, and it continues to be as culturally diverse as Europe - its provinces could well work as homogenous nation-states, too. The cliché is to always have an united India, no matter how early the PoD, and to always have it a "Here be dragons" territory in regards to the timeline, an area almost completely omitted from the timeline, and to have its cultural differences be simply overlooked.
+If India isn't boringly united under the British, it's boringly united under the French, or (rarely) the Mughals. Almost never is India given any thought or changed really in many ways. Britain might go through three civil wars and conquer Denmark in the ATL, but British India just sits, unchanging.
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 ==== Reactions to this cliché by AH.commers ====
-Of course, the only member with a strong Indian association - [[offtopic:Flocculencio]] - is the member who gets most irritated about this cliché, particularly when it is tied to [[Premodern Japan as a great power|pre-modern Japan possessing unrealistic power]] and dominating the historically culturally Indian East Indies (Indonesia).
+Of course, a member with a strong Indian association - [[offtopic:Flocculencio]] - is the member who gets most irritated about this cliché, particularly when it is tied to [[Premodern Japan as a great power|pre-modern Japan possessing unrealistic power]] and dominating the historically culturally Indian East Indies (Indonesia).
+[[offtopic:Ganesha]] has noted that, in a variation of a cliché involving South America in timelines, it often seems that "nothing ever happens in India", in most timelines. Europe could look 100% different after 300 years of ATL, but India will still be boring and nothing important will have happened there.
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+==== Exceptions ====
+  * In [[offtopic:Max Sinister]]'s //**[[timelines:Chaos]]**// timeline, India is colonized by... the New Roman Empire, an Italy on steroids. Later taken over by a three-continental Germany (yeah, steroids might be involved too), but quite soon given independence - piece by piece, creating the "Indian Chaos". Also the place where a very ambitious movement, based on the teachings of the guru Chandramoorthy, is born.
+  * In [[offtopic:Tony Jones]]' //**[[timelines:Gurkani Alam (Mughal World)]]**//, India is certainly not united in the present, and is in fact divided between several major powers that rose on the subcontinent and are often political and economic rivals. This is also a world where the Indian powers hold a much greater sway in global geopolitics and the world is a lot less eurocentric or americentric as a result, but not to the exclusion of other countries' key influence. However, in something of a symbolic move of unity, an Indian Alliance, a regional organisation of the Indian powers, is eventually created.
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 ==== See Also ====
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 **[[alternate history:United State]]**
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