====== Points of Divergence : Germany ====== Points of divergence concerning alternate historical developments within the modern day territory of Germany. ==== Prehistory ==== Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=347626|WI: Roman Wilhelmsburg]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=262052|Challenge: Make Europe as Germanic as possible]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=260511|Challenge: Make the Goths more succesful]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=308584|Challenge: Latin-speaking Germany]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=262037|Challenge: Slavic Germany]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258139|Challenge: Survival of Slavic peoples around the Elbe until the present]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Eastern Frankish Empire and early German Kingdom (843-961) ==== * **[[Holy Roman Empire|Holy Roman Empire PODs]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=15891|HRE centered on Italy instead]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=40731|France and Germany with switched historical roles]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=11334|France and Germany with switched historical fates]]** * **Greater German east settlement** (multiple threads) * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=130409|Challenge: Earlier German Identity]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Holy Roman Empire in the Middle Ages (962-1500) ==== * **[[Holy Roman Empire|Holy Roman Empire PODs]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=130409|Challenge: Earlier German Identity]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=37399|Ottonians making their dynasty hereditary]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=94004|Holy Roman Empire not decentralising]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263853|WI Frederick Barbarrosa hadnt drowned]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=256032|WI: Habsburg Polish-German Union]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=202917|WI: The Teutonic Knights invaded the Balkans ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=199202|Did the Teutonic Order stand any chance against Andrew II. of Hungary in 1225 ?]]** - In other words, could the Order keep Burgenland ? * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=182077|WI: Germany unified at the same time as France and England]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258685|A surviving house Hohenstaufen]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=253548|Plausibility check: If German lands of the HRE centralize earlier, will there be less war ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257670|WI: No Battle of Grunwald/Tannenberg in 1410]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Early Modern Era until the Peace of Westphalia (1500-1648) ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258685|A surviving house Hohenstaufen]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=335828|How would an Austrian-ruled Germany differ from its OTL equivalent ?]]** * **[[pods:christianity#reformation_pods|Reformation PODs]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/catholic-brandenburg.445681/|Catholic Brandenburg]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266407|Plausibility check: No Westphalian Treaty]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=146349|Challenge: Aachen as the capital of Germany]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=28160|Map challenge: Bavarian Empire]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== From the Peace of Westphalia to Dissolution (1648-1806) ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=81655|WI Joseph-Ferdinand of Bavaria didn't die in 1699 ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=85249|What if the British teamed up with the Poles against the 18th century alliance of Prussia, Austria and Russia ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=255422|Plausibility check: Frederick the Great allied with Maria Theresa]]** * **[[Seven Years War|Seven Years War PODs]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=255278|Challenge: Unified Germany sans Prussia]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=241794|WI Russia and Austria attack Berlin after Kunersdorf (1759) ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=204432|WI: North/South German Federations with a POD in the 18th century ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=137778|Challenge: German Unification before 1820 (with a 1780 POD)]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=320855|Plausibility check: German India ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258290|Challenge: German Switzerland (with a POD no earlier than 1800)]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Napoleonic Germany and German Confederation (1807-1870) ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=137778|Challenge: German Unification before 1820 (with a 1780 POD)]]** * **[[Napoleonic Wars|Napoleonic Wars PODs]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=146367|A different fate for Saxony]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=284166|Challenge: Some German states join the Swiss Confederation after 1815]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=325793|Plausibility check: German Confederation Congo ?]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=36915|Discussion on an earlier German Unification]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=173730|Challenge: Successful German Confederation]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=310217|WI: The German Confederation succeeds]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=261974|Bismarck dies at infancy : Effects on German unification ?]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=22609|Discussion on German unification by a country other than Prussia]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=14236|More discussion on different German unification]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=25945&|No German Unification]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=71411|Denmark being included in the German Unification]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=255278|Challenge: Unified Germany sans Prussia]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=289779|Could the 1848 German revolutionaries have gotten more organized and more successful ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=133946|Plausibility check: Prussian-Russian minority exchange]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=305098|Challenge: Prussia visibly supports the Union in the American Civil War]]** * **[[pods:Austro-Prussian War]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=262586|Alternate German provinces in a world where the pre-1871 inner borders weren't abolished]]** * **[[http://digi20.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/fs1/object/display/bsb00048272_00001.html|Frederick William IV becomes emperor in 1849]]** (German) * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== German Empire (1870-1918) ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=297479|No Bismarck]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=238037|What could bring 19th century Germany closer to the UK ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=290160|Challenge: German Kongo]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=180420|Late 19th century German Naval Laws PODs]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263124|WI: A different Bride for Wilhelm I]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=120715|Challenge: German-Russian alliance in 1910s WWI with a POD in 1885, with both countries getting defeated in the war]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=157273|WI the League of Three Emperors lasts longer than until 1890 (as in OTL) ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=180420|Different development decisions in the pre-WWI German Kriegsmarine (lighter and more numerous warships]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=30039|Imperial Germany strikes against Social Democrats]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=347555|Switch perceptions of French and German military prowess]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-mckinley-or-tr-traded-american-samoa-for-some-german-pacific-islands.399247/|WI US president McKinley or Theodore Roosevelt traded American Samoa for some German Pacific islands ?]]** * **[[wwi|World War I PODs]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=61437|Discussion on Germany continuing WWI]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=24150|Discussion on a more favorable outcome of WWI for Germany]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=18073|Discussion on a different Schlieffen Plan and how it could have worked]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=6040|Discussion on a division of Germany after WWI]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=61863&|Discussion on Germany taking Paris in 1914]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=228065|WI: The Germans find out about the French Army Mutinies in 1917]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=169722|Churchill's Dream : The Baltic Project]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/can-the-german-revolution-of-1918-succeed.383820/|Can the German Revolution of 1918 succeed ?]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Interwar era (1919-1938) ==== * **[[https://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=104399|Challenge: Succesful socialist (but not communist) revolutions in Germany, Austria, France, Hungary and Poland in 1919, following the end of WWI]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=1385|1919 Rhenish Republic and Anschluss]]** * **[[https://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=38761|Discussion on a communist Germany]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=296469|Challenge: Austria allowed to join Germany at Versailles]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=178672|WI Hitler is deported back to Austria in 1931 ?]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=295972|WI Ernst Rohm found out about his planned purge ?]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263179|1932 Weimar elections without Hindenburg]]** * **[[https://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=173922|German Civil War in 1933]]** * **[[https://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=54722|Discussion on Germany being controlled by non-Nazi fascists]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=233906|Outline of German aircraft carrier development]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=251487|The effects of the Luftwaffe not being founded as a completely separate branch of the armed forces]]** * **[[https://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=258647|The German military without the Nazis]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=259263|Could Weimar Germany have won WWII ?]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=251148|WI: Third Reich without World War Two ?]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=263126|WWI: 1930s Germany with a more anti-western than anti-eastern stance ?]]** * **Kurt Schumacher getting elected SPD boss in 1932 or earlier** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Second World War (1939-1945) ==== * **[[wwii|World War II PODs]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=151037|WI Free City of Danzig attacked by Germany in the spring of 1939, sparking an earlier start of WWII ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252270|WI Nazi Germany was persuaded or decided itself to not attack Poland in 1939 ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252270|WI Germany didn't attack Poland]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=21909|Discussion on Germany's chances of winning in WWII]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=265618|Effect on the LW if the RAF does better in the Battle of Britain]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=95453&|Discussion on an earlier Operation Barbarossa]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=31341|Discussion on what exactly Nazi Germany's downfall was]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252526|Operation Barbarossa: In what ways could it have been made more succesful ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252117|WI the Germans in 1942 only seized Stalingrad in 1942 and did not go south ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=235035|Operation Barbarossa halted after Kiev]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=199206|Could Rommel have survived the purge ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=224758|Alternatives to the V1 & V2 rocket program]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=224309|No general Manstein]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257207|How to save your skin in a Nazi Victory TL]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Post-WWII (1945 to today) ==== * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=27863|Discussion on alternate redivisions]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=270336|DBWI: Germany split after the war ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=257797|WI: No Spiegelaffäre]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=308592|WI the German air force does not try to take the VTOL route in the 1950s/1960s]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=298433|WI Lockheed were caught bribing governments earlier ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=219984|WI Benno Ohnesorg is never shot ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=292227|WI no 5%-hurdle in the FRG ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=330603|WI: East Germany "pulls a Tinanamen" in 1989 ?]]** * **[[http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=28331&|Discussion on no German reunification in 1990]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/france-and-germany-are-still-constitutional-monarchies-today.404254/|Plausibility check: France and Germany still as constitutional monarchies today]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== Miscellaneous ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=164829|Plausibility check: How large can Germany get ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=292376|Challenge: The Baltic Sea as somebody's Mare Nostrum]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=266890|Challenge: Alternate unifier of Germany]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=252589|Plausibility check: Germany never unifies into a single country]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=253307|What made Germany an industrial power ?]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=253009|Irish or German-dominated Argentina instead of Italian]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=242390|Hannoverian colonial empire]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=162789|Plausibility check: Deutsche California ?]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ==== ASB / ISOT / Geological ==== * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=292362|Prussia from 1866 is ISOT to 1766]]** * **[[https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/1914-germany-and-austria-hungary-empires-trasported-to-1715.506444/|1914 Germany and Austria-Hungary empires trasported to 1715]]** * **[[http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=171321|East Germany ISOTed to 1000 AD]]** * Know of any PODs or POD discussions ? Feel free to add them. ---- ==== See Also ==== **[[offtopic:Germany]]** **[[timelines:Germany|German Timelines and Scenarios]]** **[[resources:Germany|Useful Resources about Germany]]** ---- ==== Navigation ==== **[[Specific Countries|List of Countries by POD]]** **[[pods:pods|Points of Divergence Main Directory]]**