Subject: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 29 Jun 2001 16:22:37 GMT From: dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The Czech state itself must have a seacoast. One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that Czechoslovakia, having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be restored, but should get some additional territory from the Germans--the more so as it is losing Subcarpathian Rus' to the USSR. So he gives Czechsolovakia a narrow corridor along one or both banks of the Oder-western Neisse line reaching north to the Baltic. (When Czecholovakia breaks up decades later, the corridor becomes part of the Czech Republic.) One problem with this scenario is that Czechoslovakia in the immediate postwar era, though friendly with the USSR, is not yet a completely Communist state, so I am not sure that Stalin will trust it with such a strategic area. So maybe he waits until after 1948, and in deference to the Poles who have settled the east bank of the the Oder-western Neisse, makes the new Czech corridor entirely on the western side. After all, so many Germans have already been relocated that a few more won't make that much difference... -- David Tenner dtenner@ameritech.net Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:08:14 +0100 From: Pete Barrett Organization: A Beeb User Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 On 29 Jun 2001 16:22:37 GMT, dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) wrote: >Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of >Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of >occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth >and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one >could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this >challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational >federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a >Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The >Czech state itself must have a seacoast. > >One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that Czechoslovakia, >having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be restored, but >should get some additional territory from the Germans--the more so as it is >losing Subcarpathian Rus' to the USSR..... Or, not content with relocating the Germans and moving Poland several hundred km west (Stalin was very big on relocation - he relocated the Crimean Tatars to somewhere in the east of the USSR, and also a lot of Georgians, so a few more will hold no terrors for him), he decides to relocate the Czechs a couple of hundred km south to the other side of Austria, taking in land formerly inhabited by the Hungarians (that'll teach them to be on the losing side), the Croatians (that'll teach them to be on the losing side), and the Slovenians (that'll teach them to be a small nation in the way of progress). He'd like to give them Trieste (Italy were also on the losing side), but Italy have surrendered to the Americans, who won't play. The land vacated by the Czechs (what is now the Czech Republic) will go as further compensation for Poland. Pete Barrett Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:09:47 +0200 From: "Dragan Antulov" Organization: Iskon Internet d.d. Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 "Pete Barrett" wrote in message news:gbopjt0smecsq0fkipg22jvq4rvef540t8@4ax.com... > On 29 Jun 2001 16:22:37 GMT, dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) > wrote: > >One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that Czechoslovakia, > >having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be restored, but > >should get some additional territory from the Germans--the more so as it is > >losing Subcarpathian Rus' to the USSR..... > Or, not content with relocating the Germans and moving Poland several > hundred km west (Stalin was very big on relocation - he relocated the > Crimean Tatars to somewhere in the east of the USSR, and also a lot of > Georgians, so a few more will hold no terrors for him), he decides to > relocate the Czechs a couple of hundred km south to the other side of > Austria, taking in land formerly inhabited by the Hungarians (that'll > teach them to be on the losing side), the Croatians (that'll teach > them to be on the losing side), and the Slovenians (that'll teach them > to be a small nation in the way of progress). He'd like to give them > Trieste (Italy were also on the losing side), but Italy have > surrendered to the Americans, who won't play. The land vacated by the > Czechs (what is now the Czech Republic) will go as further > compensation for Poland. Technically speaking, Croatians weren't on the losing side of WW2. -- Dragan Antulov a.k.a. Drax Fido: 2:381/100 E-mail: dragan.antulov@st.tel.hr E-mail: dragan.antulov@altbbs.fido.hr E-mail: drax@purger.com Filmske recenzije na hrvatskom/Movie Reviews in Croatian http://film.purger.com Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 29 Jun 2001 14:44:13 -0700 From: antigonos_jb@hotmail.com (diadoch) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) wrote in message news:<90CF745A6dtennerameritechnet@enews.newsguy.com>... > Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of > Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of > occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth > and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one > could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this > challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational > federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a > Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The > Czech state itself must have a seacoast. > One word: Wallenstein. Have a few things break differently in the Thirty Years war and let Wallenstein build up the southern Hapsburg lands into a Bohemian dominated nation-state. This "Bohemia" can expand into the Turkish Balkans. There you have it, a modern Bohemia with a coast. diadoch Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:51:51 -0300 From: Randy McDonald Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 David Tenner wrote: > > Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of > Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of > occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth > and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one > could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this > challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational > federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a > Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The > Czech state itself must have a seacoast. If it wasn't for that, I'd have suggested a Polono-Czechoslovak federation formed after the Second World War, as apparently the Czechoslovak and Polish governments-in-exile had suggested. > One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that Czechoslovakia, > having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be restored, but > should get some additional territory from the Germans--the more so as it is > losing Subcarpathian Rus' to the USSR. So he gives Czechsolovakia a narrow > corridor along one or both banks of the Oder-western Neisse line reaching > north to the Baltic. (When Czecholovakia breaks up decades later, the > corridor becomes part of the Czech Republic.) One problem with this scenario > is that Czechoslovakia in the immediate postwar era, though friendly with the > USSR, is not yet a completely Communist state, so I am not sure that Stalin > will trust it with such a strategic area. So maybe he waits until after > 1948, and in deference to the Poles who have settled the east bank of the the > Oder-western Neisse, makes the new Czech corridor entirely on the western > side. After all, so many Germans have already been relocated that a few more > won't make that much difference... Hmm. You could even claim a partial ethnographic justification for it -- the Lusatian Slavs of east Germany have their homeland in close proximity to that frontier, the Czechs felt responsible for their well-being, and they had certainly been mistreated by the Germans. Perhaps in this TL, there could be a third "Lusatian" republic inside Czechoslovakia, and an independent Lusatian state covering the Lusatian homeland and the western shore of the Oder-Neisse. (Then again, there aren't many Lusatians, so theirs will probably be a small enclave attacked to a heterogenously-populated West Oder-Neisse.) > -- > David Tenner > dtenner@ameritech.net -- Randy McDonald Charlottetown PEI Canada Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 30 Jun 2001 15:04:34 GMT From: mwstone@aol.com (mike stone) Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 >From: dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) >Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of >Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of >occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth >and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one >could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this >challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational >federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a >Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The >Czech state itself must have a seacoast. > Oddly enough, something close to that was urged in 1919. The Czechs asked for a territorial "corridor" to give them a common frontier with Yugoslavia. It was rejected as "unnecessaryand impractical" That wouldn't have quite got them to the coast, but at some later date Slovenia might have fallen out with the Serbo-Croats and joined CZ instead -- Mike Stone - Peterborough England Last words of King Edward II. "I always said that Roger Mortimer was a pain in the - - - AAARGHH!!!" Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 3 Jul 2001 06:48:03 -0700 From: radamec@my-deja.com (Radek Adamec) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 mwstone@aol.com (mike stone) wrote in message news:<20010630110434.18370.00001110@ng-cq1.aol.com>... > >From: dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) > > >Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of > >Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of > >occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth > >and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one > >could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this > >challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational > >federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a > >Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The > >Czech state itself must have a seacoast. > > > > Oddly enough, something close to that was urged in 1919. The Czechs asked for a > territorial "corridor" to give them a common frontier with Yugoslavia. It was > rejected as "unnecessaryand impractical" > > That wouldn't have quite got them to the coast, but at some later date Slovenia > might have fallen out with the Serbo-Croats and joined CZ instead The idea was to join some/all Slavic territories of Austria-Hungary into a single successor state. This would have created a Czech-Slovak-Slovenian republic with a narrow corridor between Austria and Hungary. (Please note, in 1918 this was not much more absurd than the idea of creating Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.) Now you just need to Czechize the new country, which should not be that difficult. I have a simpler suggestion, though. Just prevent WW1, and wait until the Czechs outnumber all the other nationalities in A-H, turning it into a Czech state. Rade Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:10:24 +0200 From: Frank Novak Organization: Me, organized? Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 , 3 radamec@my-deja.com (Radek Adamec) thought that the world (or at least soc.history.what-if) should know that: >The idea was to join some/all Slavic territories of Austria-Hungary into >a single successor state. This would have created a Czech-Slovak-Slovenian >republic with a narrow corridor between Austria and Hungary. (Please note, >in 1918 this was not much more absurd than the idea of creating >Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.) Well there was (and still is) a Croat minority in what is now the Austrian province of Burgenland, so it is not that far-fetched. >I have a simpler suggestion, though. Just prevent WW1, and wait until >the Czechs outnumber all the other nationalities in A-H, turning it into >a Czech state. Um, according to the 1910 Austro-Hungarian census the numbers were as follows: Germans 12.0 million 23.6% Magyars 10.1 million 19.8% Czechs 6.6 million 13.0% ... Slovaks 2.0 million 3.9% ... So how long are we supposed to be waiting? Yes, the numbers for Germans and Magyars in the census are inflated, but they aren't _that_ inflated. Frank Novak Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 6 Jul 2001 06:24:40 -0700 From: radamec@my-deja.com (Radek Adamec) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 Frank Novak wrote in message news:<6ms3kt09anj2np5evtg1vg91im8jfuku99@4ax.com>... > radamec@my-deja.com (Radek Adamec) thought that the world (or at least > soc.history.what-if) should know that: > > > >I have a simpler suggestion, though. Just prevent WW1, and wait until > >the Czechs outnumber all the other nationalities in A-H, turning it into > >a Czech state. > > Um, according to the 1910 Austro-Hungarian census the numbers were as > follows: > > Germans 12.0 million 23.6% > Magyars 10.1 million 19.8% > Czechs 6.6 million 13.0% > ... > Slovaks 2.0 million 3.9% > ... > > So how long are we supposed to be waiting? > > Yes, the numbers for Germans and Magyars in the census are inflated, but > they aren't _that_ inflated. > > Frank Novak What I had in mind was figures for the Austrian Empire (not the entire dual monarchy, sorry for the confusion), which gives us 60,46% Slavs, and 35,78% Germans. In terms of population, imperial Austria was just about as Slavic as Czechoslovakia. It was just a matter of granting equal opportunities and waiting a generation or two, until Austria became Slavic politically as well. Considering the traditional role of Czechs in the Austrian state administration on Slavic territories, the strength and focus of Czech political representation in Austria, and estimated 20% of Vienna population being Czech, there is not such a long way from Slavic to Czech. Radek Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 06 Jul 2001 14:30:31 GMT From: mwstone@aol.com (mike stone) Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 >From: radamec@my-deja.com (Radek Adamec) >What I had in mind was figures for the Austrian Empire (not the entire dual >monarchy, sorry for the confusion), which gives us 60,46% Slavs, and 35,78% >Germans. In terms of population, imperial Austria was just about as Slavic as >Czechoslovakia. Trouble is that the main slav groups were Czechs and Poles, who, iirc, were seldom if ever found on the same side politically. The Poles tended to side politically with the Germans, a pattern which recurred after the empire's fall, notably in 1938 -- Mike Stone - Peterborough England Last words of King Edward II. "I always said that Roger Mortimer was a pain in the - - - AAARGHH!!!" Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:07:07 +0200 From: "Dragan Antulov" Organization: Iskon Internet d.d. Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 "David Tenner" wrote in message news:90CF745A6dtennerameritechnet@enews.newsguy.com... > Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of > Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of > occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth > and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one > One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that Czechoslovakia, > having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be restored, but You shouldn't go that far in the past. I could find more suitable POD in late 1990s. Few years ago Croatian press reported about secret meetings between representatives of Czech and Croatian government. Czechs apparently proposed that few strips of Adriatic coast, containing camps almost exclusively visted by Czech tourists during summers, become sovereign Czech territory in exchange for hefty financial compensation. The reason for that proposal was widespread custom of Czech tourists to fill the trunks of their cars with food and drink bought in Czech Republic in order to evade buying said goods on local Croatian markets. Czech enclaves on Adriatic were supposed to allow Czechs to enjoy local cuisine at Czech prices (which were much lower than in Croatia). However, Croatian government rejected the deal, mostly due to Tudjman being unwilling to sell off chunks of Croatian territory, or, to be precise, unable to present this to Croatian public as a triumph of his statesman's genius. -- Dragan Antulov a.k.a. Drax Fido: 2:381/100 E-mail: dragan.antulov@st.tel.hr E-mail: dragan.antulov@altbbs.fido.hr E-mail: drax@purger.com Filmske recenzije na hrvatskom/Movie Reviews in Croatian http://film.purger.com Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:18:10 +0200 From: Radovan Garabik Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 Dragan Antulov wrote: : "David Tenner" wrote in message : news:90CF745A6dtennerameritechnet@enews.newsguy.com... :> Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast : of :> Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of :> occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the : thirteenth :> and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether : one :> One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that : Czechoslovakia, :> having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be : restored, but : You shouldn't go that far in the past. I could find more suitable POD in : late 1990s. Few years ago Croatian press reported about secret meetings : between representatives of Czech and Croatian government. Czechs and there was a similar idea sometime in the 1980s, to give Czechoslovakia costal town somewhere in Trieste. Of course, the approaching breakup of Czechoslovakia and SFRJ vapourised these plans. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- | Radovan Garabik http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik | | __..--^^^--..__ garabik @ fmph . uniba . sk | ----------------------------------------------------------- Antivirus alert: file .signature infected by signature virus. Hi! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me spread! Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:31:30 -0400 From: Logan Ferree Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 David Tenner wrote: > Ben Jonson mocked Shakespeare for having a ship wrecked on the coast of > Bohemia in *The Winter’s Tale.* Actually, there had been a couple of > occasions when Bohemia had had a toe-hold on the Adriatic in the thirteenth > and sixteenth centuries. However, what interests me here is whether one > could imagine a *modern* Czech state with a seacoast. For purposes of this > challenge, merely making the Czech lands part of a broader multinational > federation (e.g., a continuation or revival of Austria-Hungary, or a > Czechoslovak-Polish federation) with access to the sea will not do. The > Czech state itself must have a seacoast. I like this idea. I've often had a soft spot for Bohemia. Just wish they'd go by Bohemia instead of Czech Republic. So difficult to pronounce. > One possibility: Stalin decides after World War II that Czechoslovakia, > having been a victim of German aggression, should not only be restored, but > should get some additional territory from the Germans--the more so as it is > losing Subcarpathian Rus' to the USSR. So he gives Czechsolovakia a narrow > corridor along one or both banks of the Oder-western Neisse line reaching > north to the Baltic. (When Czecholovakia breaks up decades later, the > corridor becomes part of the Czech Republic.) One problem with this scenario > is that Czechoslovakia in the immediate postwar era, though friendly with the > USSR, is not yet a completely Communist state, so I am not sure that Stalin > will trust it with such a strategic area. So maybe he waits until after > 1948, and in deference to the Poles who have settled the east bank of the the > Oder-western Neisse, makes the new Czech corridor entirely on the western > side. After all, so many Germans have already been relocated that a few more > won't make that much difference... An interesting proposal. I am not exactly sure how to bring this about. Perhaps something could be done with the Hussite Wars. Maybe following it, the Czech people are scattered and eventually make their way to settle down along the coast somewhere. Just a wild suggestions. Maybe if Austria-Hungary forms a Slavic state that includes the Czech. Depending on population growth, and how the borders are drawn, you could get the Czech as the ruling group. Problem is I think they would clash with the Serbians. So it would depend on the borders. Logan Ferree Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 1 Jul 2001 17:47:12 GMT From: dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 Logan Ferree wrote in <3B3D2BF2.A37DCFE9@roanoke.infi.net>: > > I like this idea. I've often had a soft spot for Bohemia. Just wish > they'd >go by Bohemia instead of Czech Republic. So difficult to pronounce. The problem is that the Czech Republic (Czechia or "Cesko") consists not only of Bohemia ("Cechy") but also of Moravia and Czech Silesia ("Slezsko"). ObWI: Independent Moravia? There's an interesting article on the rise and fall of Moravian regionalist parties (most of which stopped short of advocating outright independence) at http://www.iips.cz/cisla/texty/clanky/moravian400.html The article concludes that whatever success the "Moravist" parties had in the initial stages of post-communism was the result of "extraordinary and unrepeatable" circumstances. "Of crucial importance for further development was the moment of failure of the Moravist movement, namely of its main political component, in the initial phase of Czechoslovak transformation when the movement failed to achieve any significant and permanent success in its efforts for territorial and administrative reorganisation of the state (on federal or only sub-federal level)." -- David Tenner dtenner@ameritech.net Subject: Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia Date: 01 Jul 2001 21:46:33 +0200 From: Thomas Martin Widmann Organization: Aarhus University Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 , 2 , 3 dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) writes: > ObWI: Independent Moravia? There's an interesting article on the > rise and fall of Moravian regionalist parties (most of which stopped > short of advocating outright independence) at > http://www.iips.cz/cisla/texty/clanky/moravian400.html The article > concludes that whatever success the "Moravist" parties had in the > initial stages of post-communism was the result of "extraordinary > and unrepeatable" circumstances. "Of crucial importance for further > development was the moment of failure of the Moravist movement, > namely of its main political component, in the initial phase of > Czechoslovak transformation when the movement failed to achieve any > significant and permanent success in its efforts for territorial and > administrative reorganisation of the state (on federal or only > sub-federal level)." Maybe a reorganisation could have happened earlier? For instance, when the communists come to power after WWII, they argue it is bad that Czechoslovakia consists of two parts of very different size, so in order to make the country more homogeneous, it is transformed into the Socialist Federation of Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia. In this TL, the break-up up Czechoslovakia is going to be very different, I think. /Thomas -- Thomas Martin Widmann, Universitetsparken 8, 2., -333, DK-8000 Århus C Tel.: 7028 4406 * (park) 8942 7333 * (mob.) 2167 6127 * (SDS) 8733 4465 MA stud. (ling-dat); stud.prog.; aktiv radikal; formand/DK-TUG; T4ONF/TK Subject: Expulsion of Germans from the East to the Far East (Was Re: Challenge: The Coast of Bohemia) Date: 3 Jul 2001 03:27:05 -0700 From: bgarid@my-deja.com (bgarid) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if References: 1 dtenner@ameritech.net (David Tenner) wrote in message news:<90CF745A6dtennerameritechnet@enews.newsguy.com>... >After all, so many Germans have already been relocated that a few more > won't make that much difference... Relocation of Germans to the GDR has serious deficiency in that expelled Germans can easily escape to Western Germany and hence, increase demographic potential of Western bloc. Moreover, various WIs we proposed here essentially involve serious reduction and even complete disapperance of East German territory. This means that all of or most of the 11 million Germans expelled from Eastern Europe will go to Western Germany. Could Stalin allow this? Of course not. So this brings a problem which was not yet been discussed in great detail here: where else could Stalin relocate 11 million Germans from Eastern Europe other than GDR and FRG? One obvious place is Asiatic part of USSR where already significant numbers of Soviet Germans live. However, Soviet people are hardly going to accept additional millions of Germans as compatriots so soon after the war and Stalin ought to know that. And allowing Germans remain in Eastern Europe is not an option. So that leaves only Asian "people's democracies" as recipients of post-war German emigration: People's Republic of China, People's Democratic Republic of Korea, Mongolian People's Republic and, after 1954, Democratic Republic of Vietnam. These countries easily could absorb most of or even all of German emigration and they would do so with enthusiasm: skilled labor of millions of German engineers and workers will help greatly in building socialism in Asia. Additional bonus is that expelled Germans will be local nationals and as such will be paid wages not much higher than natives get, so all that skilled labour will come quite cheap! Such relocation could have significant effects on economic development of Asian socialist countries. How about German engineers starting North Korean missile programme in late 1940s?