Zimmermann Telegram not interpreted/intercepted by Britain and Mexico accepts it

Perhaps if there is a POD that allows German arms to enter Mexico. They still wouldn't have a fighting chance, but it may be tougher for the Americans.
It would Hafta be by U-Boat, And Unfortunately it wouldn't be Much ...

The Problem is, Other than Examples and Plans for Advanced Weaponry ...

VERY Little could Actually be Brought Across The Atlantic Ocean by The Kaiserliche Marine!

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You know that little thing called Pearl Harbor in 1941?
You know how pissed average Americans were at Japan?
I think you could guess that will be about how pissed the Average American would be at Germany.

I dunno if it is that cut and dry, I mean Japan didn't get Korea to declare war on the US and bomb pearl harbor, japan was directly involved and it was Japanese pilots dropping bombs on American sailors, so it was much easier to lay the blame directly at Japans feet, meanwhile Germany would only be guilty of pulling strings, not triggers, plus the Germans are white, it was always easier to play upon american racism for propaganda purposes.
 
I dunno if it is that cut and dry, I mean Japan didn't get Korea to declare war on the US and bomb pearl harbor, japan was directly involved and it was Japanese pilots dropping bombs on American sailors, so it was much easier to lay the blame directly at Japans feet, meanwhile Germany would only be guilty of pulling strings, not triggers, plus the Germans are white, it was always easier to play upon american racism for propaganda purposes.


I actually think the racism would make it worse...the white Germans were using the non-White's against America? I think the gut reaction would be to blame the whites (even though it was the Mexicans that attacked, they can't be blamed after all "they don't know any better").

Especially if the fight with the Mexicans was mostly dead civilians then the US Army curb-stomping the Mexican Army. The US will feel like they already got their revenge on the Mexicans...but will not have gotten over their mad yet, so they will take it out on the Germans.
 
I actually think the racism would make it worse...the white Germans were using the non-White's against America? I think the gut reaction would be to blame the whites (even though it was the Mexicans that attacked, they can't be blamed after all "they don't know any better").

Especially if the fight with the Mexicans was mostly dead civilians then the US Army curb-stomping the Mexican Army. The US will feel like they already got their revenge on the Mexicans...but will not have gotten over their mad yet, so they will take it out on the Germans.


I depends on how far the mexican dared to go to ecure their lines, as I said, to assure an accepatance of ht Zimmerman telegram we need a pod where german and mexican governments already has some form of secert agreement (may be a mexican claim over Belize will garant an underground selling of german technology and hardware?)
 
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we need a pod where german and mexican governments already has some form of secert agreement <snip>

Oh sure this all depends on what the POD is and it could easily end up with most if not all the anger in the US being at Mexico rather than Germany...I was just throwing out one idea.
 
I dunno if it is that cut and dry, I mean Japan didn't get Korea to declare war on the US and bomb pearl harbor, japan was directly involved and it was Japanese pilots dropping bombs on American sailors, so it was much easier to lay the blame directly at Japans feet, meanwhile Germany would only be guilty of pulling strings, not triggers, plus the Germans are white, it was always easier to play upon american racism for propaganda purposes.

Well the Germans actually helped Mexico occupy continental American soil which is much worse then attacking Pearl Harbor and occupying some Pacific colonies.
 
A map posted by InFluEnza at The Ark: Counter-Factual.Net

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Ultimately the Zimmerman Telegram was half-hearted in its intentions, at best. Germany didn't really suffer under any illusions regarding Mexico's likely response, it was primarily a vain hope that the Mexican leadership would prove to be gullible and greedy. Obviously, they hadn't counted on it being intercepted and turning into a foreign relations debacle.

Even the most nationalistic and expansionistic Mexican ruler would be able to see that invading the U.S. was complete suicide. There really wasn't any kind of parity between the two militaries, and while the armed border populations wouldn't be able to blunt the invasion all by themselves, they would likely be able to inflict uncomfortable and frankly embarassing losses on the advancing Mexican Army. In order for this scenario to occur it would take either an incredibly stupid Mexican ruler (one likely to be promptly disposed of by a coup for his gross incompetence), or a much earlier POD that allows for a more viable Mexico.

Given such a scenario, I don't personally believe that the U.S. would annex any Mexican territory, with the one possible exception of Baha. More likely the U.S. would simply dictate harsh terms, probably including a demilitarized border.
 
Given such a scenario, I don't personally believe that the U.S. would annex any Mexican territory, with the one possible exception of Baha. More likely the U.S. would simply dictate harsh terms, probably including a demilitarized border.

Oh I don't know I could see the US creating buffer states that were not part of Mexico but were not originally part of the US. Then, maybe, having those states request admittance as territories. I don't see them being US states as soon at 1922 however.
 

burmafrd

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Very good point that many on this board keep forgetting:
you should not try and imprint the past with present sensibilities and political correctness.
The past had a much more direct and blunt outlook and were much less sensitive about a lot of things.
 
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