Zimmermann Telegram not intercepted, decoded

There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.
 
I doubt it, Mexico is still in the midst of civil war in 1917. If say Carranzas government declares war on the US after the US declares war on the CP then the US simply supports the various factions fighting Carranzas. Might lead to odd ironies like the US arming and supporting Villa after the Punitive Expedition or maybe even Zapatistas.
 
There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.

Which bank are you using, since your scenario appears bankrupt in plausibility.
 
Keep in mind that the Zimmerman Telegram was only a proposal for an alliance. Odds are very good that Mexico would have rejected it anyway. Mexico actually did look into the feasablity of the plan in OTL, but eventually rejected it. For the reasons why, see the relevant portion of the Wikipedia article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmerman_Telegram#Mexican_response
I don't see any reason why the US not knowing about the alliance would have changed any of these facts. Thus, Mexico rejects the alliance. The US's entry into the war is slightly later, but otherwise everything goes the same as OTL except for the inevitable butterflies.
 
It would be very hard for the British not to have intercepted the Zimmerman telegram, however given the strokes of luck they had in getting the German codes its likely that they may not be decoded at all or with greater difficulty.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Mexico was in shmbles, and certainly not ready for conflict. With the US never getting their hands of the Zimmermann telegram the US dow on Germany would be delayed to May or June.
 
The Germans sent the telegram three different ways and the British intercepted all three so this possibility is ASB territory.
 
There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.

I nearly crapped myself laughing while reading that. Really good joke.
 
There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.

Were you high when you wrote this???
 
There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.

Ha ha.

You no fool me.

You researcher on Def-Con by Kim Kyungjin.
 

wormyguy

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There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.
That is racist and offensive towards Mexicans. Clearly the Mexicans would have been able to totally conquer all of America and Canada, then build an invasion fleet and occupy England. Then the oppressed Irish would rebel and invade France and Germany would win WWI. That's the only plausible scenario.
 
There would be a delayed US DoW on the CPs. Not by long though. But when they did DoW, Mexico would DoW on the US. Mexico would win battle after battle for a while, but eventually the US would dig in (trenches). After a year, Mexico would be in control of New Orleans and San Francisco. Another year and the US would surrender, as would the rest of the Entente. Mexico would not just stop at the "lost territory". They would take all of the former Lone Star Republic, Hawaii, Alaska, and the Philippines, as well as take over America's position in Latin America (as well as protector of the western hemisphere for that matter).
The USA wouldn't be a Mexican puppet, per-say, but would owe Mexico greatly.

I researched the shit out of this subject and this would definitely happen. You can take that to the bank.

You're funny.

The idea that Mexico could take back all of its Lost territory, Hawaii, Alaska, etc is so laughable* I'm going to sig the last paragraph of this quote.

And cool.
 
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Zach's scenario is as plausible as FDR rising from the dead and replacing Obama in the Oval Office until 2021. :rolleyes:

Whoa whoa whoa! Are you saying FDR's resurrection isn't going to happen? Then who's going to save us from Hitler's brain and the hordes of cyborg Nazis returned from their secret base in Antarctica?
 
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