Yugoslavia with Nuclear weapons

why not? in earlier times they did get the F-86D which was modern interceptor for its time
mirage and A-7 can be bought again before they go nuclear rather than wasting money later on mig-29 in 1980s
I have my doubts any NATO nation would want to sell strike air craft to a nation that might conceivably use them to deliver nuclear weapons to targets in fellow NATO nations.

If such a sale did take place I suspect any NATO nation within the notional one way range of those air craft would be very unhappy.
 
Aircraft will most likely be used alongside Luna M missiles. Low kiloton yield in any case.

Poorly. Yugoslavia was heavily dependant on foreign assistance and loans, without which it would fall appart in civil war.

Serbs may use it in 99 against Tuzla since they attempted an attack on the airport because it was used by NATO during bombing. They'd most likely threaten it's use in order to give themselves more time to finish ethnic exterminations and displacements.

They'll get isolated and turn into North Korea.
Assuming Yugoslavia gets nukes and assuming Yugoslavia gets some way to launch them and assuming it collapses into civil war, multiple countries and ethnic cleansing... would NATO bomb it? It's tempting to believe the French would be ok with risking a nuclear attack on their soil (or the Americans if the Serbs manage to sneak nukes to the USA via cargo ships or something) if the Serbs fire tactical nukes at NATO airbases in Italy. But would they?
 
Assuming Yugoslavia gets nukes and assuming Yugoslavia gets some way to launch them and assuming it collapses into civil war, multiple countries and ethnic cleansing... would NATO bomb it? It's tempting to believe the French would be ok with risking a nuclear attack on their soil (or the Americans if the Serbs manage to sneak nukes to the USA via cargo ships or something) if the Serbs fire tactical nukes at NATO airbases in Italy. But would they?
I can't imagine NATO would let a nuclear attack on a NATO nation go unanswered.

If for some reason NATO didn't respond I would forsee a number of Nations staring their own nuclear weapons programs.
 

Khanzeer

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I have my doubts any NATO nation would want to sell strike air craft to a nation that might conceivably use them to deliver nuclear weapons to targets in fellow NATO nations.
ok maybe A-7 is out , can the mirage 5 be bought ostentatiously as interceptors ?
otherwise soviets are highly unlikely to sell any strike planes to them and mig-21MF would be unable to carry such a weapon
 
I can't imagine NATO would let a nuclear attack on a NATO nation go unanswered.

If for some reason NATO didn't respond I would forsee a number of Nations staring their own nuclear weapons programs.
They would start their nuclear weapons program. But would the French president or the British Prime Minister risk a nuclear attack on Paris or London to prevent Italy and Germany from starting their own nuclear programs? In other words, is the nuclear umbrella a bluff?

Politically, what happens, in an ATL Yugoslavian civil war, if NATO prepares to intervene and the Serb president states it will target airbases in non nuclear armed countries, such as Italy, with nuclear weapons at the start of the hostilities?
 
ok maybe A-7 is out , can the mirage 5 be bought ostentatiously as interceptors ?
otherwise soviets are highly unlikely to sell any strike planes to them and mig-21MF would be unable to carry such a weapon
Frankly I am doubtful NATO nations would want to sell any military equipment beyond perhaps small arms to a Yugoslavia that obtained their own nuclear weapons thru a clandestine process.
 

Khanzeer

Banned
Frankly I am doubtful NATO nations would want to sell any military equipment beyond perhaps small arms to a Yugoslavia that obtained their own nuclear weapons thru a clandestine process.
even in OTL the yugoslavs got nothing from the west after 1970
wonder why the west did not woo them with more lucrative arms deals
 
The Serbs have to know that the moment they use a nuclear warhead NATO will respond in minutes. Some Ohio gets a signal and ascends to firing depth, annnd better hope your headquarters is hidden from the Americans. Of course, this assumes they beat the Russians...
 
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Khanzeer

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They would start their nuclear weapons program. But would the French president or the British Prime Minister risk a nuclear attack on Paris or London to prevent Italy and Germany from starting their own nuclear programs? In other words, is the nuclear umbrella a bluff?

Politically, what happens, in an ATL Yugoslavian civil war, if NATO prepares to intervene and the Serb president states it will target airbases in non nuclear armed countries, such as Italy, with nuclear weapons at the start of the hostilities?
i do not see situation getting that bad , foreign powers would take a lot closer interest in the whole affair and much earlier to prevent this from happening
 
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Basically this would happen in the 90's when the country eventually collapses.
 

JSchafer

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Assuming Yugoslavia gets nukes and assuming Yugoslavia gets some way to launch them and assuming it collapses into civil war, multiple countries and ethnic cleansing... would NATO bomb it? It's tempting to believe the French would be ok with risking a nuclear attack on their soil (or the Americans if the Serbs manage to sneak nukes to the USA via cargo ships or something) if the Serbs fire tactical nukes at NATO airbases in Italy. But would they?

I can’t think of any Serb leader at the time who would be mad enough to sign the warrant for nuclear holocaust of entire Serbia. That’s why I suggested an attack on Tuzla since Bosnia isn’t part of NATO. However I believe that it wouldn’t have even come to full civil war. NATO would deploy troops to the country to “keep peace” and encourage nuclear disarmament in return for support.
 

Khanzeer

Banned
The M11 is available in the late 70s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-11
And this guy by mid 1970s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-4
Dont know if Yugoslav were on good terms with Chinese but this is an option for delivery vehicle

If no mirages or A7 , maybe exisraeli A-4 ? Or mig23bn/ su22 from egypt esp when they ditched the Soviets in the mid 70s ?
Also libya may be interested in selling its mirages to get its hands on a couple of devices" off the shelf"
 
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Kaze

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The problem will be after the program's success... what will happen to the nukes once Yugoslavia breaks up?
The Russians and the Americans will have to rush quickly or something could horribly go wrong... my bets considering the war crimes committed in the break-up, at least one of the nutters might use one as a last resort or on their own countrymen
 
WI Yugoslav develop their own program but give " no first use " guarentee to both NATO AND USSR /WP?
Since realistic local enemies, except Albania, are basically all either NATO or WP countries, this guarantee would likely have exactly zero value (no one is going to buy "we need nukes to deter potential Albanian invasion").
A non-aligned nuclear power in Europe is not going to be allowed, period (I think this is also why Sweden dropped her military nuclear program by the way).
 
I can't imagine NATO would let a nuclear attack on a NATO nation go unanswered.

If for some reason NATO didn't respond I would forsee a number of Nations staring their own nuclear weapons programs.
If somehow the Serbs launch a nuke on, say, Aviano (where US nukes are stored by the way), NATO will respond with extreme prejudice, up to and including nuking Belgrade possibly.
 
Note that Italy is specifically under the US nuclear umbrella. Not just general NATO protection, but my understanding is that Italy (and Germany) have specific agreements with the US on deterrence in return for allowing American nukes to be stored on their territory (and I believe, in the case of Italy, also in return for giving up that tentative nuclear program).
There is no way the Americans are letting a nuclear attack against either country go unanswered. And if they do, well, NATO and general credibility of the US internationally are simply gone, as well as non-proliferation.
 
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