Your Vote: the TL

No lothaw! It spells Ameri-Wank!:p:D

With the exception of the Thames, Chippewa and New Orleans, the US got beaten in just about every battle in the war of 1812.

You think we'll do any better when our nation is still in it's infancy as opposed to taking on Britain as a toddler in 1812?

Our only hope on that score is, Britain's going to have bigger problems in Europe, but they can still put a sizable force of regulars in Canada and go coast raiding.
 
Well Napoleon might just send some regulars to help Jefferson during the brief peace instead of trying to defeat Hati, the only problem is he is in for some troubles when the Federalist get back into power

Also for all elections for this TL will we vote upon them to see who wins?
 
Well Napoleon might just send some regulars to help Jefferson during the brief peace instead of trying to defeat Hati, the only problem is he is in for some troubles when the Federalist get back into power

Also for all elections for this TL will we vote upon them to see who wins?

yes we will, we'll also pick who is running
 
When is the actual TL going to start??

now!


it's one month after the Inauguration all of Jefferson Cabinet Appointments have gone through

the Congress is

House: Federalist=57 Democratic-
Republican=49

Senate: Federalist=22 Democratic-
Republican=10


the French begin seizing American merchant ships

SO GO!
 
now!


it's one month after the Inauguration all of Jefferson Cabinet Appointments have gone through

the Congress is

House: Federalist=57 Democratic-
Republican=49

Senate: Federalist=22 Democratic-
Republican=10


the French begin seizing American merchant ships

SO GO!

Taken from some random hawk newspaper:

French seize our ships!

Citizens demand war!

We will not stand while our sailors are trampled on by French soldiers. This paper calls President Jefferson to respond swiftly to the matter, in the only language the French understand: bullets!
 
From the Boston Herald

With the recent acts of the French to seize American merchant ships, we have little option but to act. Nevertheless, it would be foolish to risk open war at this point, when we have only so recently ended the war of our nation's birth. We must place pressure on France in non-violent ways, and perhaps even collaborate with our former Mother Islands to do so.
 
From: NY Evening Post (Alexander Hamilton's Newspaper)

We must go to War with French. If we allow the French to continue to seize our ships the nation's trade will start to cease to exist and all he worked for will disappear. We must continue to have strong ties with the British over revolutionary France. Jefferson is sacrificing our countries freedom by supporting France over our nations own merchants.
 
From: The Savannah Journal.

Allowing our valuable Friendship with the French to be destroyed is inexcusable. Who helped us in our Revolution? The French. Who supported the Ideals of democracy with even more Zeal then we have? The French. The true Criminal today is the notorious Jay Treaty. All it has done is allow our "Mother" country to profit at our expense. If war is to happen, it should happen with the States united with the French against Britain.
 
With the exception of the Thames, Chippewa and New Orleans, the US got beaten in just about every battle in the war of 1812.

You think we'll do any better when our nation is still in it's infancy as opposed to taking on Britain as a toddler in 1812?

Our only hope on that score is, Britain's going to have bigger problems in Europe, but they can still put a sizable force of regulars in Canada and go coast raiding.

...It was just a joke...:eek:
 
From the New York Post:

President Jefferson's stuborn refusal to stand against the French is either a sign of cowardice or treason. Considering Mr. Jefferson's well known jacobin sympathies, I fear that it is the latter case. Jefferson seems to care more for the Jacobins then his own country.We must stand up for our country, even if Mr. Jefferson will not. We will not have the revolution be fought in vain. We will not allow Mr. Jefferson to exchange one colonial master for another.
 
Ny Evening Post

Burr is going to stab us in the back, he doen't care about America!! he cares about himself and the last name Burr. Why would Jefferson ever appoint him Secratary of War, when all he is looking for is the moment to make himself Caesar. We need President Jefferson to send Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, James Madison, James Monreo to France then Britain to insure that these countries dont violate our freedoms
 
From the Gazzette of the United States

War with France must be avoided. Our young republic is still reeling from the last war it faught. Can we so soon form another? If France is so keen on siezing our ships like common pirates, obviously the bonds of friendship we forged during the Revolutionary War have been broken.

A more moderate approach, instead of beating the war drums, would be to encourage our merchentmen to begin arming themselves. What was once an easy quarry, would now be more trouble than it's worth for French privateers and business would continue as usual.

To risk a new war over such a small matter is lunacy. Thankfully the power to declare war lies in the hands of Congress, who is composed of a more rational folk than the ones beating the dums.
 
Taken from A History of the Republic by Adam Walter Prescott:

Unfortunately for Jefferson, the French attacks angered many throughout the colonies, but especially in the Northern coastal areas, where much of the economy rested on shipping. These states, including Massachusetts, saw war as the only way to secure their businesses against destruction. But they were out of sympathy with the states to the south, for those states had built their economies on agriculture. It was in these southern states, and the western territories, that Jefferson's Democratic-Republican party had its support.

Taken from Dark Times for a Young Nation by William David Stone:

Jefferson was personally attached to France. He viewed it as the new standard-bearer of liberty, which had taken the torch from the United States. Many in his party were also of this opinion; to them the radical republic was a testament to the universal appeal of freedom and liberty. But Jefferson's capability to enforce this view on the nation was being undermined from within; the source of this was his own vice president, John Adams.

Adams was a Federalist, a party based primarily in the northern states of the Union, and he was opposed to France. Not out of some reactionary ideology, Adams was just as much a patriot as any other, but because he was a patriot in the modern sense: a nationalist. He found the French actions to be working against the good of his nation (or at least a part of his nation) and did not want to tolerate such things, never mind how republican the French were.
 
From the Letters of George Washington.

This nation cries out for blood and war, and I fear Mr. Jefferson can scarce avoid it, lest he be thought a traitor in the eyes of his countrymen......

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Jefferson, France, and the Federalists
Jonathan Lilly
1999

From the letters of John Adams: Dear Mr. Hamilton, you ought to thank heaven that you are not in my position. To serve in such a loathsome office under Mr. Washington is one thing, to serve under Mr. Jefferson is quite another. I feel that I am quite finished in national politics, and you may take from that what you like....
 
From the Letters of Alexander Hamilton: Mr. Adams, if you will not run for President in 1800 against Thomas Jefferson, i will need all your help convincing John Jay to run in your place. Also i urge you to protect our nation and convince President Jefferson to send John Jay, James Monroe and Myself to talk to the French and British government

Signed: Major General Alexander Hamilton
 
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