At the time of the Change I was in Sorrento, Italy on a class trip. Only a brief trip from the starving hordes of Napoli. I think I would have been quite thoroughly screwed.
Your region in Dies the Fire?
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-- a few people actually do manage to survive that way. The basic problem is in a population of 60 million, so many will have the same idea.
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-- for wheat and barley, this isn't as much of a problem. The seeds will yield something; you just have to accept a steep drop in what you get per-acre, and select the best results for next.
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--yup.
-- well, not everyone survives. In fact, most don't. Those who do tend to be a selected group of survivor types.
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-- the problem is that even a minority of a very large number is still a large number in absolute terms. It depends on how many large cities there are relative to the total area. W. and central Europe is just SOL that way.
While you are probably correct for the most part concerning west and central Europe (though I still think that there are likely to be at least a few small, more remote areas that survived), the same does not apply for much of North America. Even in the area east of the Mississippi, the population density is not that of Europe and there should be small groups and some small communities well scattered over most of that area.
I assume Gotland (being a sparsely populated and big island) would make it through.. (Guess it did if I recall the books correctly, since the flags for Norland sounded very much like the Visby CoA.. with the old classic "Gutenses signo xpistus signatur in agno". Perhaps one of the most arrogant statements ever made in a Coat of arms..
No, I'm not not living there, I'm a Stockholmer...
No, I'm not not living there, I'm a Stockholmer...
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-- yup, Gotland did well. So did Bornholm and some of the other Baltic islands, and some remote parts of northern Norway and Sweden. Jutland, the main Danish islands, southern and central Sweden, and the areas around the larger Norwegian cities are toast.
About a quarter of a million people survive. After the first Change Year there's a good deal of shifting about, since you'd have to be insane to try making a living farming in some of those spots when there's much better farmland available further south.
Norland ends up taking over the former Germany and some points south.
BTW, a belated Happy Gunpowder Day to everyone!
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-- that would depend on how genuinely primitive they still were (shotguns are _really_ popular with 'em) and how far away they were from ordinary Brazilians. Brazil still has a lot of quasi-subsistence peasants alongside (or in areas away from) the huge machine-worked estates which have been spreading there in the past generation.
Part of the problem isn't necessarily the number of people in a region, it is the survival skills that we possess.
My experience with computers/MIS would definitely not be a necessary skill in the new age. So those who could, would find themselves burdened with a lot of people who couldn't.
It would not be a pleasent time.......
People living in rural communities and on farms would be in the best shape, but even agriculture has become dependent on technology that would not exist.
My experience with computers/MIS would definitely not be a necessary skill in the new age. So those who could, would find themselves burdened with a lot of people who couldn't.
It would not be a pleasent time.......
People living in rural communities and on farms would be in the best shape, but even agriculture has become dependent on technology that would not exist.
both farms and fisher villages would face the same problem in that they suddenly have to replace mechanical power with human/horse power... the trick will be in finding the right mix... too many, and you can't gather enough food to feed them all... too few and you can't get things done fast enough... I could probably make myself useful on a farm or ranch, I do know something about that kind of work... however, at the time of the event, I was close to 40, and not in great physical shape, so it'd be hard adjusting...
Surprisingly One area that will probably do better than expected is Costa Rico.
As the metro areas of new England and Mid Atlantic have expanded over the last 30~40 years, most of the Amish in the Areas, have immigrated to Costa Rico.
There is also a very large Mennonite community in the Country.
This appears to have lead to several others of the -Back to the Simple life- Groups to move there also.
As the metro areas of new England and Mid Atlantic have expanded over the last 30~40 years, most of the Amish in the Areas, have immigrated to Costa Rico.
There is also a very large Mennonite community in the Country.
This appears to have lead to several others of the -Back to the Simple life- Groups to move there also.